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[pirate]

They say history repeats and have we not seen similar "40 babies beheaded" propaganda previously that turned out to be false? Remarkably the 'Nayirah Testimony' hoax that claimed Iraqi soldiers threw babies out of incubators in Kuwait was on 10/10/90 and the “40 babies b*headed” story was exactly 33 years to the day.

[pirate]

Wouldn't be the first time.

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[oldie]

Oct 11, 2023 22:47:12 GMT DrFaustus said:

Oct 11, 2023 22:33:32 GMT oldie said:

Gulp....it's hard to comprehend the inhumanity.

Agreed.

Oh, you weren't talking about the beheading of children, the raping of women and the torture of all?

Got you.

Once again...the fanatic Nazis (because that's what they are) stop, accept Israel has a right to exist and things can move on.

Until then, screw Hamas, their fascist apologists and the rest of those who wish harm on the sile democracy in the Middle East.

But it will never move on without acceptance of history and a focus on an outcome that demands compromise.

Trying to wipe each other out with disgusting acts of terror is not the way. Killing unarmed civilians (whatever the detail) is such a disgusting act. Mass bombing of civilian areas and killing unarmed civilians is such a disgusting act.

My personal view is that I find our own lack of acceptance of our historical role in all this hypocritical and nauseating.
Of course most of the opinions are predicated upon ignorance. It's not as though we teach "actual" history in our schools is it.

But even then, allowing for that, surely basic humanity tells us that after one disgusting act of horror the recourse to commit another is not the way?
Equally, as we sit in our comfortable homes in the West watching this unravel on our TVs, cheering on acts of violent revenge (on women and children) doesn't that make you uncomfortable? Political leaders lining up to supply "whatever they need" in weapons to commit this revenge in a sort of surreal "me to" competition for TV time doesn't promote nausea?

It's unbelievable in its absolute horror.

Pirate, personal plea. You made your point on propaganda, we don't need any further endless links to Twitter feeds. It dilutes the point you are making if you do. Just my opinion.

[DrFaustus]

Quite plain there are those on here who wouldn't be happy until Israel ceased to exist. Good luck with that.

pirate the coroner has confirmed babies were beheaded and further decapitated at the Kibbutz. No doubt in your poisoned mind,that's just propaganda.

I'm out of this thread now..too much hatred from PRSC types.

[popuppirate]

It's a long read, but worth it imo for some balance and perspective:

[oldie]

Oct 12, 2023 8:51:29 GMT DrFaustus said:

Quite plain there are those on here who wouldn't be happy until Israel ceased to exist. Good luck with that.

pirate the coroner has confirmed babies were beheaded and further decapitated at the Kibbutz. No doubt in your poisoned mind,that's just propaganda.

I'm out of this thread now..too much hatred from PRSC types.

Frankly Grant, that is just nonsense.

[oldie]

Oct 12, 2023 9:59:56 GMT popuppirate said:

It's a long read, but worth it imo for some balance and perspective:

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Thank you so much for posting that link. What a read that is, written by someone of Jewish decent.

To wit, his words

"You cannot keep two million people living in the conditions people in Gaza are living in and expect peace.

You can't. And you shouldn’t. Their environment is antithetical to the human condition. Violent rebellion is guaranteed. Guaranteed. As sure as the sun rising."

"It’s not possible to recap the entire 5,000 year history of people fighting over this strip of land in one newsletter. There are plenty of easily accessible places you can learn about it if you want to (and, by the way, many of you should — far too many people speak on this issue with an obscene amount of ignorance, loads of arrogance, and a narrow historical lens focused on the last few decades). "

Boom....

You know who you are

[Midsomer Murderer]

Good luck to Israel and I hope that the IDF do not suffer to many casualties. Also hope that the innocent Palestinians find refuge. I'm probably one of the few on here that has spent time in Israel and the Gaza Strip and I honestly don't know what the answer is. There is a lot of hatred on both sides.

[pirate]

Ilan Pappé is an Israeli historian, political scientist and a professor with the College of Social Sciences and International Studies at the University of Exeter, director of the university's European Centre for Palestine Studies, and co-director of the Exeter Centre for Ethno-Political Studies. Pappé says what is happening to the Palestinians is "incremental genocide." His book 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine' is worth a read.

www.palestinechronicle.com/using-the-right-language-the-incremental-genocide-of-the-palestinians-continues/

towardfreedom.org/story/archives/west-asia/incremental-genocide-a-brief-history-of-israels-violence-against-palestine/

web.archive.org/web/20160605083645/http://www.badil.org/en/component/k2/item/957-calling-a-spade-a-spadethe-1948-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html

[pirate]

As documented by Human Rights Watch and the World Health Organization, Israeli defense forces are bombing health care facilities, schools, refugee camps, and UN Compounds in Gaza.

[Midsomer Murderer]

Oct 12, 2023 16:50:23 GMT pirate said:

As documented by Human Rights Watch and the World Health Organization, Israeli defense forces are bombing health care facilities, schools, refugee camps, and UN Compounds in Gaza.

if Hamas have built in or under these buildings then Israel are entitled to bomb. This was confirmed on Radio 4 last night

[gulfofaden]

Oct 12, 2023 1:18:28 GMT pirate said:

They say history repeats and have we not seen similar "40 babies beheaded" propaganda previously that turned out to be false? Remarkably the 'Nayirah Testimony' hoax that claimed Iraqi soldiers threw babies out of incubators in Kuwait was on 10/10/90 and the “40 babies b*headed” story was exactly 33 years to the day.

Yet all the Ukraine news is on point.

People are selectively critical and ultimately tribal to the core.

[pirate]

Oct 12, 2023 17:08:23 GMT Midsomer Murderer said:

Oct 12, 2023 16:50:23 GMT pirate said:

As documented by Human Rights Watch and the World Health Organization, Israeli defense forces are bombing health care facilities, schools, refugee camps, and UN Compounds in Gaza.

if Hamas have built in or under these buildings then Israel are entitled to bomb. This was confirmed on Radio 4 last night

Have they built in or under all of them? Are the 447 Palestinian children killed in Gaza in 5 days the "human animals" the Israeli Defense Minister spoke of? Just say "Hamas" and everything and anyone is a legitimate target.

[oldie]

Channel 4 News Tonight

Horrific

[stuart1974]

I see there are clashes in Paris and some Jewish schools in the UK are closing in fear of attack.

Sunak is sending ships and planes to the area, mostly window dressing but some of it could be useful.

[RD]

Oct 12, 2023 18:18:16 GMT oldie said:

Channel 4 News Tonight

Horrific

Oh my. We are about to witness a genocide.

I know I posted the other day I felt they needed to eradicate Hamas but this.... oh my.

Honestly - seriously - I could cry. The number of innocent children, babies, men and women who are about to be slaughtered over the next 24 hours is horrifying.

We are about to witness one of the darkest moments in the history of humanity and, unquestionably the worst of the 21st century.

[peterparker]

Oct 13, 2023 6:24:57 GMT RD said:

Oct 12, 2023 18:18:16 GMT oldie said:

Channel 4 News Tonight

Horrific

Oh my. We are about to witness a genocide.

I know I posted the other day I felt they needed to eradicate Hamas but this.... oh my.

Honestly - seriously - I could cry. The number of innocent children, babies, men and women who are about to be slaughtered over the next 24 hours is horrifying.

We are about to witness one of the darkest moments in the history of humanity and, unquestionably the worst of the 21st century.

The whole thing is sickening and all for what.

There are no rights here, only wrongs and there are no winners. There are atrocities on both sides and what we might yet witness still is unspeakable. Meanwhile some people over here are getting their knickers in a knot over the FA not lighting up a bit of metal on Friday night

RIP to all the innocent people caught up in this

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