Israel

[oldie]

Apr 13, 2024 20:28:23 GMT stuart1974 said:

Iranian drones on their way towards Isreal.

Distract air defense before missiles head their way?

And then Hesbollah launches from Lebanon.

[stuart1974]

Reports saying that US and Jordan have shot down several missiles and the RAF has joined in patrolling Isreali skies.

I'm hoping this is just tokenism and posturing, but I wouldn't trust Netanyahu not to react further. Iran has already detained an Isreali flagged ship.

[stuart1974]

[oldie]

Apr 13, 2024 23:22:22 GMT stuart1974 said:

Reports saying that US and Jordan have shot down several missiles and the RAF has joined in patrolling Isreali skies.

I'm hoping this is just tokenism and posturing, but I wouldn't trust Netanyahu not to react further. Iran has already detained an Isreali flagged ship.

Amazing that the USA air and sea forces, the Jordanian Air Force and the RAF can all get involved in shooting down missiles and Drones (successfully it appears) but cannot organise an aid shipment(s) to relieve the near famine conditions affecting 100,000s of children in Gaza.

Cue political leaders standing in front of flags claiming this and that.

[stuart1974]

Apr 14, 2024 10:29:10 GMT oldie said:

Apr 13, 2024 23:22:22 GMT stuart1974 said:

Reports saying that US and Jordan have shot down several missiles and the RAF has joined in patrolling Isreali skies.

I'm hoping this is just tokenism and posturing, but I wouldn't trust Netanyahu not to react further. Iran has already detained an Isreali flagged ship.

Amazing that the USA air and sea forces, the Jordanian Air Force and the RAF can all get involved in shooting down missiles and Drones (successfully it appears) but cannot organise an aid shipment(s) to relieve the near famine conditions affecting 100,000s of children in Gaza.

Cue political leaders standing in front of flags claiming this and that.

The RAF and others have been doing air drops this week and a support ship is in Cyprus waiting for the green light.

It's not enough, I agree, but it's something. It's also easier to do last night's operations, aid shipments have to get approval from various parties. Netanyahu needs to agree for a start. 😐

[oldie]

Apr 14, 2024 18:02:14 GMT stuart1974 said:

Apr 14, 2024 10:29:10 GMT oldie said:

Amazing that the USA air and sea forces, the Jordanian Air Force and the RAF can all get involved in shooting down missiles and Drones (successfully it appears) but cannot organise an aid shipment(s) to relieve the near famine conditions affecting 100,000s of children in Gaza.

Cue political leaders standing in front of flags claiming this and that.

The RAF and others have been doing air drops this week and a support ship is in Cyprus waiting for the green light.

It's not enough, I agree, but it's something. It's also easier to do last night's operations, aid shipments have to get approval from various parties. Netanyahu needs to agree for a start. 😐

I am being simplistic I know.
But last night happened because everyone was united against the threat.
It is clear that not everyone is united in resolving the conditions in Gaza.
The threat of course was crystallised by the Israeli decision to bomb another country's Embassy/Consulate.
Easy play for Netanyahu, he gambled that in provoking Iran the USA and the rest would fall into line and hey presto. No headlines with pictures of wounded, starving or dead children in Gaza, the demonstrators in Tel Aviv go home.

[stuart1974]

Apr 14, 2024 18:19:22 GMT oldie said:

Apr 14, 2024 18:02:14 GMT stuart1974 said:

The RAF and others have been doing air drops this week and a support ship is in Cyprus waiting for the green light.

It's not enough, I agree, but it's something. It's also easier to do last night's operations, aid shipments have to get approval from various parties. Netanyahu needs to agree for a start. 😐

I am being simplistic I know.
But last night happened because everyone was united against the threat.
It is clear that not everyone is united in resolving the conditions in Gaza.
The threat of course was crystallised by the Israeli decision to bomb another country's Embassy/Consulate.
Easy play for Netanyahu, he gambled that in provoking Iran the USA and the rest would fall into line and hey presto. No headlines with pictures of wounded, starving or dead children in Gaza, the demonstrators in Tel Aviv go home.

You old cynic! 🫡

I don't think that was the primary reason, Isreal had the opportunity to kill a senior IRGC commander, sending a direct message to Tehran. The PR, in so much as it is, was secondary at best.

Turning that around, the US, UK, France, Jordan and Saudi Arabia can turn to Isreal and say "We helped you last night, next time we may not have your back. Wind in your neck and get this sorted." Also the scale of the attacks, especially the ballistic missiles, was more than they expected. The counter measures worked well, though.

Biden's "take the win" comment tends to reaffirm that in my mind.

[trevorgas]

Apr 14, 2024 10:29:10 GMT oldie said:

Apr 13, 2024 23:22:22 GMT stuart1974 said:

Reports saying that US and Jordan have shot down several missiles and the RAF has joined in patrolling Isreali skies.

I'm hoping this is just tokenism and posturing, but I wouldn't trust Netanyahu not to react further. Iran has already detained an Isreali flagged ship.

Amazing that the USA air and sea forces, the Jordanian Air Force and the RAF can all get involved in shooting down missiles and Drones (successfully it appears) but cannot organise an aid shipment(s) to relieve the near famine conditions affecting 100,000s of children in Gaza.

Cue political leaders standing in front of flags claiming this and that.

What's more amazing is we can't get ourselves organised to do the same for Ukraine when it's on our doorstep!!

[stuart1974]

Apr 14, 2024 19:15:57 GMT trevorgas said:

Apr 14, 2024 10:29:10 GMT oldie said:

Amazing that the USA air and sea forces, the Jordanian Air Force and the RAF can all get involved in shooting down missiles and Drones (successfully it appears) but cannot organise an aid shipment(s) to relieve the near famine conditions affecting 100,000s of children in Gaza.

Cue political leaders standing in front of flags claiming this and that.

What's more amazing is we can't get ourselves organised to do the same for Ukraine when it's on our doorstep!!

More countries involved via Nato. I suspect the likes of Poland and the Baltic countries would be supportive.

Funny that those with more recent experience of Russian 'administration' are the most keen to help and avoid future Moscow interference.

[trevorgas]

Apr 14, 2024 20:05:34 GMT stuart1974 said:

Apr 14, 2024 19:15:57 GMT trevorgas said:

What's more amazing is we can't get ourselves organised to do the same for Ukraine when it's on our doorstep!!

More countries involved via Nato. I suspect the likes of Poland and the Baltic countries would be supportive.

Funny that those with more recent experience of Russian 'administration' are the most keen to help and avoid future Moscow interference.

Yep funny that people opting for freedom!!

[stuart1974]

Iranian President's helicopter goes down in the Azerbaijan mountains.

[stuart1974]

Could be something here. Tobias Ellwood believes Blair and Cameron have been involved. Maybe.

"Within the last hour, Joe Biden has given a speech at the White House where he announced a new comprehensive ceasefire and hostage deal.

The three-phase plan involves the return of Israeli hostages from Gaza and reconstruction of civilian areas.

The first phase of the proposed deal would be a ceasefire lasting six weeks, during which Israel and Hamas would negotiate a permanent end to the fighting in Gaza, Mr Biden said.

If the negotiations take longer than six weeks, the ceasefire would continue for as long as it takes to strike a deal, he added.

Humanitarian assistance would surge during the first phase, with 600 trucks being allowed into Gaza each day.

Phase two would involve Hamas handing over all remaining hostages and Israel withdrawing all of its forces from Gaza.

The final phase would be about a "major reconstruction plan", according to the president.

"Everyone who wants peace now must raise their voices and work to make it real. It's time for this war to end," Mr Biden said during the surprise address.

He also urged other officials within Israel to back the proposal, arguing that Hamas was no longer capable of carrying out another attack on Israelis like the one on 7 October.

He said: "Israel has made their proposal. Hamas says it wants a ceasefire. This deal is an opportunity to prove whether they really mean it." "

news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-gaza-latest-ceasefire-biden-announcement-sky-news-live-blog-12978800?postid=7754041#liveblog-body

[francegas]

Good News. Israel has rescued four hostages alive from Gaza.

[trevorgas]

Jun 8, 2024 10:58:32 GMT francegas said:

Good News. Israel has rescued four hostages alive from Gaza.

Agreed
Just a shame they killed over 20000 women and children in the process😕

[yattongas]

Jun 8, 2024 11:12:05 GMT trevorgas said:

Jun 8, 2024 10:58:32 GMT francegas said:

Good News. Israel has rescued four hostages alive from Gaza.

Agreed
Just a shame they killed over 20000 women and children in the process😕

And the rest…

[francegas]

Jun 8, 2024 17:06:45 GMT yattongas said:

Jun 8, 2024 11:12:05 GMT trevorgas said:

Agreed
Just a shame they killed over 20000 women and children in the process😕

And the rest…

Oh I agree, but what a shame that over 1000 innocent Israelis had to be slaughtered, raped, beheaded and taken hostage in the first place for Israel to have to retaliate.

[yattongas]

Jun 8, 2024 18:58:29 GMT francegas said:

Jun 8, 2024 17:06:45 GMT yattongas said:

And the rest…

Oh I agree, but what a shame that over 1000 innocent Israelis had to be slaughtered, raped, beheaded and taken hostage in the first place for Israel to have to retaliate.

Yep agreed and as I said right from the start of all this , absolute dickheads on both sides .

[supergas]

Can't remember where I read it but I think it was quite a good summary until the current escalation:




Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, but doesn't have the manpower or the equipment. If they could they would.



Israel has the manpower and the equipment to wipe out Hamas but chooses not to. If they chose to they could.

[stuart1974]

First Isreali cabinet resignation.

[stuart1974]

I see Hezbollah have threatened Cyprus now, we've got interest and commitments with Cyprus too. Doubt it'll come to much but need to be vigilant.