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Post by yattongas on Oct 11, 2023 10:43:14 GMT
Typical uneducated response from you Yatton as per šš Havenāt got time to reply at the moment, I will later Mr Loon šš
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 11, 2023 10:44:39 GMT
It would be like saying that as Germany shares a border on the North Sea/Baltic, that it is a Scandinavian country. Err no it wont because Germany is not classified as a Scandinavian country whereas Romania and Bulgaria are Balkan countries. The question was about Ukraine being a Balkan country being on the Black Sea.
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Post by oldie on Oct 11, 2023 13:10:27 GMT
Ukraine is part of the Balkans? No it's not , it is in the region though ,Ā as Balkens border the Black sea as does Ukraine. What about Turkey?....ummm...Georgia? Bloody Balkans....get everywhere...š¤
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Post by yattongas on Oct 11, 2023 14:17:42 GMT
With respect that is complete nonsense. We have a first past the post system where the Tories get total control ( whilst in government) with 30-40% of the vote . That means 60% donāt want them , labour , greens and Iād say Libdems more left than right. 80% of print media is right wing , weāve now got GeeBeebies with their own 24 hr (?) news (šš) channel pumping out absolute rubbish , Talk tv which is right wing . No left wing news channel to my knowledge on British tv ? The Tory party has definitely moved to the right vehemently in recent yrs , Patel , Braverman , a whole cohort of Brexit loons ( too many to mention) ,f**k off back home 30p Lee , Farage ( most definitely a fascist) dancing at the Tory conference, fetishism with the union flag , for a while we had a few dressing up in military uniforms. Demonising trans people , telling the disabled they need to work or theyāre scapegoated as scroungers . Visceral hatred from many Tories of anything European. Hatred of those fleeing persecution. Ukippers take over of the Tory party from the ground up . So yes , I would definitely say they are on the march to fascism . Crikey Yatton you say supergas posted complete nonsense and then you post this! I'm sure there were no complaints from you when Blair got into power in 1997 with 43.2% of the vote meaning 56.8% didn't want him (could you blame them š). What's the alternative to first past the post? ..Proportional Representation? That system also has its flaws. Have you googled left wing media? Wiki lists them all with 98 publications. You say 80% of media is right wing so I'll happily agree with you if you can provide a list of near on 400 right wing publications. If people don't like what Talk TV or GB news broadcast then surely the simple answer is don't watch it. Personally I'd say Channel 4 leans to the left as does the BBC (although they seem good at hiding it). Have the BBC managed to refer to Hamas as terrorists or a terrorist organisation yet? or are Hamas still just militants in their eyes. I hardly think the Tories hate people fleeing persecution considering legal migration into the UK is so high and some 72% are granted asylum in the UK compared to 25% in France . Fetishism with Union flag, do me a favour. I'd rather see the PM (whoever it may be) stood in front of the Union flag than the EU flag. Who has fetishism about a flag now Yatton?. Where have the Tories labelled disabled people as scroungers? We all know people who abuse the benefit system, which afterall was initially set up as a stop gap to assist people between employment and never as a way of life with a good standard of living. Of course there are genuine claimants that don't abuse the system that need help and within that I include the disabled. Can't be bothered to list and reply to all the other points you raised as it was utter nonsense as well.šš As usual you completely misunderstood š I was replying to Superās assertion that most of the electorate have been centre right for the last 40-50 yrs. I pointed out that is nonsense because if they were getting between 30-45% of the vote thatās not a majority is it ? š Itās just more votes but most definitely not a majority. Even Super admitted that most of the print / tv media is right leaning . Talk Tv , GB News , Times tv . Name me a left wing news channel ? There isnāt one. Papers ā¦ Gaurdian , Mirror , Morning Star ( read by one man and his dog) Right wing papers : Daily Mail, Daily Express , Telegraph, Sun , The Times , Sunday Times , The spectator, Mail on Sunday . Daily Star Mostly owned by Tory supporting Billionaires who live abroad. On the subject of Scroungers , Iāve never seen you post once about the billions wasted to covid contracts fraud ( just written off by Sunak) , never once about Tax evasion by the rich , never once about ppp . Many times youāve posted about people at the bottom fiddling the system and claiming benefits but never about those at the top who proportionally steal much much more Tax evasion at least twice that of benefit fraud but more people employed to go after benefits fraud than the tax evaders. Give your head a wobble
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Post by yattongas on Oct 11, 2023 14:51:59 GMT
Sorry Werton, but I just fell over laughing at Yatton's response. Ignorance is bliss and that probably refers to both of you. Are you saying Yattongas that both Shell and Unilever did not move their headquaters to this country, i have shares in both and can assure they both did. Many American companies have also made their European headquaters in the UK, to avoid European bureacrats. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-latest-rejoin-eu-b2426476.html
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Post by yattongas on Oct 11, 2023 16:26:33 GMT
No it's not , it is in the region though , as Balkens border the Black sea as does Ukraine. What about Turkey?....ummm...Georgia? Bloody Balkans....get everywhere...š¤ the Balkans comprise the areas of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania. The westernmost part of Turkey is also included.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 12, 2023 12:00:31 GMT
Quite a volte face. "The SNP's Lisa Cameron has announced her defection to the Conservatives. The East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow MP was facing a selection contest to remain as the SNP's candidate at the next general election. She said she quit because of a "toxic" culture in the party Westminster group. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross both welcomed her to the party. The SNP has called for Dr Cameron to step down to allow a by-election." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67087840
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Post by yattongas on Oct 12, 2023 13:50:36 GMT
Quite a volte face. "The SNP's Lisa Cameron has announced her defection to the Conservatives. The East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow MP was facing a selection contest to remain as the SNP's candidate at the next general election. She said she quit because of a "toxic" culture in the party Westminster group. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross both welcomed her to the party. The SNP has called for Dr Cameron to step down to allow a by-election." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67087840Yeah , heard that earlier on the radio. Not sure her SNP voters will be too happy with her jumping ship like that ā¦.. especially to the Tories ! Gotta be an by-election surely?
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Post by francegas on Oct 12, 2023 14:05:31 GMT
Quite a volte face. "The SNP's Lisa Cameron has announced her defection to the Conservatives. The East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow MP was facing a selection contest to remain as the SNP's candidate at the next general election. She said she quit because of a "toxic" culture in the party Westminster group. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross both welcomed her to the party. The SNP has called for Dr Cameron to step down to allow a by-election." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67087840Yeah , heard that earlier on the radio. Not sure her SNP voters will be too happy with her jumping ship like that ā¦.. especially to the Tories !Ā Gotta be an by-election surely?Ā Why has there got to be a by-election?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 12, 2023 14:09:42 GMT
Yeah , heard that earlier on the radio. Not sure her SNP voters will be too happy with her jumping ship like that ā¦.. especially to the Tories ! Gotta be an by-election surely? Why has there got to be a by-election? Not sure on how it all works to be honest but I just think itās not fair on those that voted for a Left wing politician to end up with a Tory. Iād also think exactly the same if it happened in reverse. Itās just taking the voters for mugs .
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Post by yattongas on Oct 12, 2023 14:14:42 GMT
See Bernie Ecclestone has agreed to pay over 600m to HMRC after his tax fraud. No prison time . One rule for the rich and another for everyone else š
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Post by francegas on Oct 12, 2023 14:19:41 GMT
Why has there got to be a by-election? Not sure on how it all works to be honest but I just think itās not fair on those that voted for a Left wing politician to end up with a Tory. Iād also think exactly the same if it happened in reverse.Ā Itās just taking the voters for mugs . As it did in Bury South when Christian Wakeford defected from Conservative to Labour. Totally agree with you (and that's a rarity š) it is taking voters for mugs as they're left with a party that wasn't voted in.
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Post by francegas on Oct 12, 2023 14:26:24 GMT
See Bernie Ecclestone has agreed to pay over 600m to HMRC after his tax fraud. No prison time . One rule for the rich and another for everyone else š Don't think that's the reason Yatton. He's 92 years old what benefit is there banging him up after all Ā£600m coming back to HMRC is nothing to be sniffed at. Also aren't the prisons full in the UK. Would rather his cell be taken up with a murderer/rapist/ etc.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 12, 2023 14:42:12 GMT
Not sure on how it all works to be honest but I just think itās not fair on those that voted for a Left wing politician to end up with a Tory. Iād also think exactly the same if it happened in reverse. Itās just taking the voters for mugs . As it did in Bury South when Christian Wakeford defected from Conservative to Labour. Totally agree with you (and that's a rarity š) it is taking voters for mugs as they're left with a party that wasn't voted in. Finally proof that occasionally you are right !
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Post by supergas on Oct 13, 2023 12:01:13 GMT
Why has there got to be a by-election? Not sure on how it all works to be honest but I just think itās not fair on those that voted for a Left wing politician to end up with a Tory. Iād also think exactly the same if it happened in reverse. Itās just taking the voters for mugs . ...er...you know the UK is a representative democracy...? So at local or general elections you are never voting for a party - you are voting for a person to represent you... Before anyone jumps up and down, yes *technically* it's a "unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy" but that's a version of a representative democracy.... The bigger question is why there hasn't been more coverage of the toxic SNP culture at Westminster, as well as the massive ongoing police investigation into their finances - if it was the Conservatives there would be daily updates....
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Post by yattongas on Oct 13, 2023 12:16:24 GMT
Not sure on how it all works to be honest but I just think itās not fair on those that voted for a Left wing politician to end up with a Tory. Iād also think exactly the same if it happened in reverse.Ā Itās just taking the voters for mugs . ...er...you know the UK is a representative democracy...? So at local or general elections you are never voting for a party - you are voting for a person to represent you... Before anyone jumps up and down, yes *technically* it's a "unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy" but that's a version of a representative democracy.... The bigger question is why there hasn't been more coverage of the toxic SNP culture at Westminster, as well as the massive ongoing police investigation into their finances - if it was the Conservatives there would be daily updates.... Erā¦.. itās still wrong .
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 13, 2023 12:26:30 GMT
Not sure on how it all works to be honest but I just think itās not fair on those that voted for a Left wing politician to end up with a Tory. Iād also think exactly the same if it happened in reverse.Ā Itās just taking the voters for mugs . ...er...you know the UK is a representative democracy...? So at local or general elections you are never voting for a party - you are voting for a person to represent you... Before anyone jumps up and down, yes *technically* it's a "unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy" but that's a version of a representative democracy.... The bigger question is why there hasn't been more coverage of the toxic SNP culture at Westminster, as well as the massive ongoing police investigation into their finances - if it was the Conservatives there would be daily updates.... Technically it's bicameral, not unitary. š
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2023 18:27:08 GMT
...er...you know the UK is a representative democracy...? So at local or general elections you are never voting for a party - you are voting for a person to represent you... Before anyone jumps up and down, yes *technically* it's a "unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy" but that's a version of a representative democracy.... The bigger question is why there hasn't been more coverage of the toxic SNP culture at Westminster, as well as the massive ongoing police investigation into their finances - if it was the Conservatives there would be daily updates.... Technically it's bicameral, not unitary. š Kinky.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 13, 2023 21:05:47 GMT
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Post by supergas on Oct 14, 2023 8:54:53 GMT
...er...you know the UK is a representative democracy...? So at local or general elections you are never voting for a party - you are voting for a person to represent you... Before anyone jumps up and down, yes *technically* it's a "unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy" but that's a version of a representative democracy.... The bigger question is why there hasn't been more coverage of the toxic SNP culture at Westminster, as well as the massive ongoing police investigation into their finances - if it was the Conservatives there would be daily updates.... Technically it's bicameral, not unitary. š ...blame google, I just copied and pasted it
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