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Post by oldie on Oct 10, 2023 16:05:27 GMT
i think Brexit has been good for us , the 2 largest companies in Europe , Shell (the Biggest) and Unilever have moved their headquaters entirely to the UK, bringing in more investment and employment . Then look back to the shambolick covid vacination scheme accross Europe , what a mess. Unfortunatly alot of people can't see beyond the end of their nose. Have you been kicked in the head by a horse ? Sorry Werton, but I just fell over laughing at Yatton's response.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 10, 2023 21:47:47 GMT
Have you been kicked in the head by a horse ? Sorry Werton, but I just fell over laughing at Yatton's response. Ignorance is bliss and that probably refers to both of you. Are you saying Yattongas that both Shell and Unilever did not move their headquaters to this country, i have shares in both and can assure they both did. Many American companies have also made their European headquaters in the UK, to avoid European bureacrats.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 10, 2023 21:52:22 GMT
Sorry Werton, but I just fell over laughing at Yatton's response. Ignorance is bliss and that probably refers to both of you. Are you saying Yattongas that both Shell and Unilever did not move their headquaters to this country, i have shares in both and can assure they both did. I’m saying you’re an absolute loon if you think Brexit has been a success.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 10, 2023 22:09:11 GMT
Ignorance is bliss and that probably refers to both of you. Are you saying Yattongas that both Shell and Unilever did not move their headquaters to this country, i have shares in both and can assure they both did. I’m saying you’re an absolute loon if you think Brexit has been a success. I am not saying it is a success, but that it has been better than portrayed by many, and alot of the economic problems over the past few years are down the war in the Balkens and Covid , which both occured just after Brexit .
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Post by yattongas on Oct 10, 2023 22:27:13 GMT
I’m saying you’re an absolute loon if you think Brexit has been a success. I am not saying it is a success, but that it has been better than portrayed by many, and alot of the economic problems over the past few years are down the war in the Balkens and Covid , which both occured just after Brexit . Balkens ?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 10, 2023 22:33:10 GMT
I’m saying you’re an absolute loon if you think Brexit has been a success. I am not saying it is a success, but that it has been better than portrayed by many, and alot of the economic problems over the past few years are down the war in the Balkens and Covid , which both occured just after Brexit . It’s been an unmitigated disaster , masked only by Covid and the war in Ukraine . Those two events were a smokescreen but the reality of putting up barriers to trade with your closest neighbours is more evident with every passing day . Glad your shares are doing well and you’re in the privileged position that other life pressures aren’t affecting you . I’m guessing you’re retired , mortgage free and relatively well off ?
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Post by francegas on Oct 11, 2023 7:17:38 GMT
Ok, I will admit the UK mainstream media is generally centre-right politically. But that's where most of the electorate has been politically for most of the last 40-50 years, so given there is only one public broadcaster paid for by taxes, why would the overall media landscape not match the general public opinion...? The UK's media overall is not (as is often-claimed) massively right-wing, massively pro-government or even close to fascist. There is balance and regulation in mainstream media and what most people object to is news they disagree with, not news that is biased.... With respect that is complete nonsense. We have a first past the post system where the Tories get total control ( whilst in government) with 30-40% of the vote . That means 60% don’t want them , labour , greens and I’d say Libdems more left than right. 80% of print media is right wing , we’ve now got GeeBeebies with their own 24 hr (?) news (😂🙄) channel pumping out absolute rubbish , Talk tv which is right wing . No left wing news channel to my knowledge on British tv ? The Tory party has definitely moved to the right vehemently in recent yrs , Patel , Braverman , a whole cohort of Brexit loons ( too many to mention) ,f**k off back home 30p Lee , Farage ( most definitely a fascist) dancing at the Tory conference, fetishism with the union flag , for a while we had a few dressing up in military uniforms. Demonising trans people , telling the disabled they need to work or they’re scapegoated as scroungers . Visceral hatred from many Tories of anything European. Hatred of those fleeing persecution. Ukippers take over of the Tory party from the ground up . So yes , I would definitely say they are on the march to fascism . Crikey Yatton you say supergas posted complete nonsense and then you post this! I'm sure there were no complaints from you when Blair got into power in 1997 with 43.2% of the vote meaning 56.8% didn't want him (could you blame them 😂). What's the alternative to first past the post? ..Proportional Representation? That system also has its flaws. Have you googled left wing media? Wiki lists them all with 98 publications. You say 80% of media is right wing so I'll happily agree with you if you can provide a list of near on 400 right wing publications. If people don't like what Talk TV or GB news broadcast then surely the simple answer is don't watch it. Personally I'd say Channel 4 leans to the left as does the BBC (although they seem good at hiding it). Have the BBC managed to refer to Hamas as terrorists or a terrorist organisation yet? or are Hamas still just militants in their eyes. I hardly think the Tories hate people fleeing persecution considering legal migration into the UK is so high and some 72% are granted asylum in the UK compared to 25% in France . Fetishism with Union flag, do me a favour. I'd rather see the PM (whoever it may be) stood in front of the Union flag than the EU flag. Who has fetishism about a flag now Yatton?. Where have the Tories labelled disabled people as scroungers? We all know people who abuse the benefit system, which afterall was initially set up as a stop gap to assist people between employment and never as a way of life with a good standard of living. Of course there are genuine claimants that don't abuse the system that need help and within that I include the disabled. Can't be bothered to list and reply to all the other points you raised as it was utter nonsense as well.🙄🙄
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Post by wertongas on Oct 11, 2023 8:39:14 GMT
I am not saying it is a success, but that it has been better than portrayed by many, and alot of the economic problems over the past few years are down the war in the Balkens and Covid , which both occured just after Brexit . It’s been an unmitigated disaster , masked only by Covid and the war in Ukraine . Those two events were a smokescreen but the reality of putting up barriers to trade with your closest neighbours is more evident with every passing day . Glad your shares are doing well and you’re in the privileged position that other life pressures aren’t affecting you . I’m guessing you’re retired , mortgage free and relatively well off ? Of course, I classified Ukraine as part of the Balkens, always thought the UK has more in common with Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand than we do with Italy, Spain and the Slovak and East European Countries. As for smokescreens how is it many European countries including Germany the Baltic states are struggling economically more than the Uk. We had a huge trade deficit with the EU which we paid annually to the EU to have the privalage of . Our biggest trade surplus in the past has been with the US, that is why i am not in favour of a trade deal with them as only the Americans would benefit from such a deal. As forvthe horse kicking in the head , well at least it would have an effect on me, and by the way i use to be a lefty in the labour party and always supported the Unions often attending meetings .
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 11, 2023 8:53:40 GMT
It’s been an unmitigated disaster , masked only by Covid and the war in Ukraine . Those two events were a smokescreen but the reality of putting up barriers to trade with your closest neighbours is more evident with every passing day . Glad your shares are doing well and you’re in the privileged position that other life pressures aren’t affecting you . I’m guessing you’re retired , mortgage free and relatively well off ? Of course, I classified Ukraine as part of the Balkens, always thought the UK has more in common with Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand than we do with Italy, Spain and the Slovak and East European Countries. As for smokescreens how is it many European countries including Germany the Baltic states are struggling economically more than the Uk. We had a huge trade deficit with the EU which we paid annually to the EU to have the privalage of . Our biggest trade surplus in the past has been with the US, that is why i am not in favour of a trade deal with them as only the Americans would benefit from such a deal. As forvthe horse kicking in the head , well at least it would have an effect on me, and by the way i use to be a lefty in the labour party and always supported the Unions often attending meetings . Ukraine is part of the Balkans?
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Post by wertongas on Oct 11, 2023 9:20:06 GMT
Actually Yattongas ,my family had a business and when my Dad died , the money I was left, I invested and used to rent properties for homeless people . I went around to estate agents looking for properties which i then rented and let homeless people/ people who were about to be made homeless live in I paid their rent their bills , some i put in travel lodges and gave them money to buy food. I tried to get them to get ID (passports) so they could open bank accounts and get jobs. Unfortunatly old habits die hard and some used money to get drugs, also landlords were not happy with the way they trerted their properties and most of the money went. But if you met me in a pub you would realise i am not stupid and I am a careing person. Sorry i had a go about the head kicking thing , funny really, but i get cross that people do not do enough to help each other, like very rich footballers who would rather spend their money which they are entitled to on massive houses, fast cars and women.
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 11, 2023 9:22:07 GMT
Actually Yattongas ,my family had a business and when my Dad died , the money I was left, I invested and used to rent properties for homeless people . I went around to estate agents looking for properties which i then rented and let homeless people/ people who were about to be made homeless live in I paid their rent their bills , some i put in travel lodges and gave them money to buy food. I tried to get them to get ID (passports) so they could open bank accounts and get jobs. Unfortunatly old habits die hard and some used money to get drugs, also landlords were not happy with the way they trerted their properties and most of the money went. But if you met me in a pub you would realise i am not stupid and I am a careing person. Sorry i had a go about the head kicking thing , funny really, but i get cross that people do not do enough to help each other, like very rich footballers who would rather spend their money which they are entitled to on massive houses, fast cars and women. Good for you👍👍
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 11, 2023 9:25:10 GMT
Of course, I classified Ukraine as part of the Balkens, always thought the UK has more in common with Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand than we do with Italy, Spain and the Slovak and East European Countries. As for smokescreens how is it many European countries including Germany the Baltic states are struggling economically more than the Uk. We had a huge trade deficit with the EU which we paid annually to the EU to have the privalage of . Our biggest trade surplus in the past has been with the US, that is why i am not in favour of a trade deal with them as only the Americans would benefit from such a deal. As forvthe horse kicking in the head , well at least it would have an effect on me, and by the way i use to be a lefty in the labour party and always supported the Unions often attending meetings . Ukraine is part of the Balkans? Don't think so
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Post by wertongas on Oct 11, 2023 9:34:23 GMT
Of course, I classified Ukraine as part of the Balkens, always thought the UK has more in common with Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand than we do with Italy, Spain and the Slovak and East European Countries. As for smokescreens how is it many European countries including Germany the Baltic states are struggling economically more than the Uk. We had a huge trade deficit with the EU which we paid annually to the EU to have the privalage of . Our biggest trade surplus in the past has been with the US, that is why i am not in favour of a trade deal with them as only the Americans would benefit from such a deal. As forvthe horse kicking in the head , well at least it would have an effect on me, and by the way i use to be a lefty in the labour party and always supported the Unions often attending meetings . Ukraine is part of the Balkans? No it's not , it is in the region though , as Balkens border the Black sea as does Ukraine.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 11, 2023 9:37:31 GMT
Ukraine is part of the Balkans? No it's not , it is in the region though , as Balkens border the Black sea as does Ukraine. You may want to get a different map. 😉
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Post by francegas on Oct 11, 2023 9:51:45 GMT
No it's not , it is in the region though , as Balkens border the Black sea as does Ukraine. You may want to get a different map. 😉 Don't Romania and Bulgaria border the Black Sea who are classified as balkan countries.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 11, 2023 10:01:42 GMT
You may want to get a different map. 😉 Don't Romania and Bulgaria border the Black Sea who are classified as balkan countries. It would be like saying that as Germany shares a border on the North Sea/Baltic, that it is a Scandinavian country.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 11, 2023 10:08:47 GMT
With respect that is complete nonsense. We have a first past the post system where the Tories get total control ( whilst in government) with 30-40% of the vote . That means 60% don’t want them , labour , greens and I’d say Libdems more left than right. 80% of print media is right wing , we’ve now got GeeBeebies with their own 24 hr (?) news (😂🙄) channel pumping out absolute rubbish , Talk tv which is right wing . No left wing news channel to my knowledge on British tv ? The Tory party has definitely moved to the right vehemently in recent yrs , Patel , Braverman , a whole cohort of Brexit loons ( too many to mention) ,f**k off back home 30p Lee , Farage ( most definitely a fascist) dancing at the Tory conference, fetishism with the union flag , for a while we had a few dressing up in military uniforms. Demonising trans people , telling the disabled they need to work or they’re scapegoated as scroungers . Visceral hatred from many Tories of anything European. Hatred of those fleeing persecution. Ukippers take over of the Tory party from the ground up . So yes , I would definitely say they are on the march to fascism . Crikey Yatton you say supergas posted complete nonsense and then you post this! I'm sure there were no complaints from you when Blair got into power in 1997 with 43.2% of the vote meaning 56.8% didn't want him (could you blame them 😂). What's the alternative to first past the post? ..Proportional Representation? That system also has its flaws. Have you googled left wing media? Wiki lists them all with 98 publications. You say 80% of media is right wing so I'll happily agree with you if you can provide a list of near on 400 right wing publications. If people don't like what Talk TV or GB news broadcast then surely the simple answer is don't watch it. Personally I'd say Channel 4 leans to the left as does the BBC (although they seem good at hiding it). Have the BBC managed to refer to Hamas as terrorists or a terrorist organisation yet? or are Hamas still just militants in their eyes. I hardly think the Tories hate people fleeing persecution considering legal migration into the UK is so high and some 72% are granted asylum in the UK compared to 25% in France . Fetishism with Union flag, do me a favour. I'd rather see the PM (whoever it may be) stood in front of the Union flag than the EU flag. Who has fetishism about a flag now Yatton?. Where have the Tories labelled disabled people as scroungers? We all know people who abuse the benefit system, which afterall was initially set up as a stop gap to assist people between employment and never as a way of life with a good standard of living. Of course there are genuine claimants that don't abuse the system that need help and within that I include the disabled. Can't be bothered to list and reply to all the other points you raised as it was utter nonsense as well.🙄🙄 You what ? 😂
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Post by yattongas on Oct 11, 2023 10:09:18 GMT
Of course, I classified Ukraine as part of the Balkens, always thought the UK has more in common with Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand than we do with Italy, Spain and the Slovak and East European Countries. As for smokescreens how is it many European countries including Germany the Baltic states are struggling economically more than the Uk. We had a huge trade deficit with the EU which we paid annually to the EU to have the privalage of . Our biggest trade surplus in the past has been with the US, that is why i am not in favour of a trade deal with them as only the Americans would benefit from such a deal. As forvthe horse kicking in the head , well at least it would have an effect on me, and by the way i use to be a lefty in the labour party and always supported the Unions often attending meetings . Ukraine is part of the Balkans? News to me 😮
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Post by francegas on Oct 11, 2023 10:12:45 GMT
Don't Romania and Bulgaria border the Black Sea who are classified as balkan countries. It would be like saying that as Germany shares a border on the North Sea/Baltic, that it is a Scandinavian country. Err no it wont because Germany is not classified as a Scandinavian country whereas Romania and Bulgaria are Balkan countries.
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Post by francegas on Oct 11, 2023 10:23:15 GMT
Crikey Yatton you say supergas posted complete nonsense and then you post this! I'm sure there were no complaints from you when Blair got into power in 1997 with 43.2% of the vote meaning 56.8% didn't want him (could you blame them 😂). What's the alternative to first past the post? ..Proportional Representation? That system also has its flaws. Have you googled left wing media? Wiki lists them all with 98 publications. You say 80% of media is right wing so I'll happily agree with you if you can provide a list of near on 400 right wing publications. If people don't like what Talk TV or GB news broadcast then surely the simple answer is don't watch it. Personally I'd say Channel 4 leans to the left as does the BBC (although they seem good at hiding it). Have the BBC managed to refer to Hamas as terrorists or a terrorist organisation yet? or are Hamas still just militants in their eyes. I hardly think the Tories hate people fleeing persecution considering legal migration into the UK is so high and some 72% are granted asylum in the UK compared to 25% in France . Fetishism with Union flag, do me a favour. I'd rather see the PM (whoever it may be) stood in front of the Union flag than the EU flag. Who has fetishism about a flag now Yatton?. Where have the Tories labelled disabled people as scroungers? We all know people who abuse the benefit system, which afterall was initially set up as a stop gap to assist people between employment and never as a way of life with a good standard of living. Of course there are genuine claimants that don't abuse the system that need help and within that I include the disabled. Can't be bothered to list and reply to all the other points you raised as it was utter nonsense as well.🙄🙄 You what ? 😂 Typical uneducated response from you Yatton as per 🙄🙄
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