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Post by supergas on Oct 6, 2023 9:02:16 GMT
Now they’ve got their own media to go on and spout any lies they like on GeeBeebies. Tories interviewing Tory MP’s . It’s now the right wing model , perfected by Trump and used by populists everywhere and sadly it’s here now. Then you get the lame response from some “they’re all the same” “all politicians lie” etc etc. No they’re not all the same , the lies being spouted now are beyond anything we’ve ever known .it works though doesn’t it ? Just look at Trump in America, the more he lies the better he seems to do in the polls. Up on multiple charges from sex offences to inciting a insurrection , frauds etc etc Youve got loons on the right in this country who’ll tell you Brexit is a success, climate crisis isn’t happening, covid was a hoax etc etc . ...so there is no media with a significant left-wing bias in the UK?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 6, 2023 9:36:44 GMT
Now they’ve got their own media to go on and spout any lies they like on GeeBeebies. Tories interviewing Tory MP’s . It’s now the right wing model , perfected by Trump and used by populists everywhere and sadly it’s here now. Then you get the lame response from some “they’re all the same” “all politicians lie” etc etc. No they’re not all the same , the lies being spouted now are beyond anything we’ve ever known .it works though doesn’t it ? Just look at Trump in America, the more he lies the better he seems to do in the polls. Up on multiple charges from sex offences to inciting a insurrection , frauds etc etc Youve got loons on the right in this country who’ll tell you Brexit is a success, climate crisis isn’t happening, covid was a hoax etc etc . ...so there is no media with a significant left-wing bias in the UK? Maybe you’ve been out of the country too long or you’ve got your head in the clouds but the right wing control most of the media in this country. That’s not even arguable 🙄
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Post by supergas on Oct 6, 2023 9:48:40 GMT
...so there is no media with a significant left-wing bias in the UK? Maybe you’ve been out of the country too long or you’ve got your head in the clouds but the right wing control most of the media in this country. That’s not even arguable 🙄 ...I can still see that's not even close to answering the question I asked....
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 6, 2023 10:21:12 GMT
Big swing to labour but a poor turnout. Terrible night for the Tory party as well as their vote share plummets by 11% ( losing their deposit 😂) Another poll this morning shows the Tory vote share hasn’t moved at all since the Tory conference. That’s a good result for them, I expected it to drop even further! So Rishi at his absolute swinging and fighting saying he’s going to drive change in the country, couldn’t even increase the public opinion at all? I’ll be interested to see the reaction next week after Labours The swing was 20% which if replicated elsewhere would result in over 40 of the 50+ Scottish MPs. Unrealistic imo but definitely something for Labour to build on. SNP implosion also helps, that won't go on forever.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 6, 2023 10:25:30 GMT
Maybe you’ve been out of the country too long or you’ve got your head in the clouds but the right wing control most of the media in this country. That’s not even arguable 🙄 ...I can still see that's not even close to answering the question I asked.... It’s pointing out that although there are a few left wing media outlets it’s nothing on the scale of those on the right. Making your question pretty much pointless . But you knew that anyway. 🙄
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Post by supergas on Oct 6, 2023 10:54:33 GMT
...I can still see that's not even close to answering the question I asked.... It’s pointing out that although there are a few left wing media outlets it’s nothing on the scale of those on the right. Making your question pretty much pointless . But you knew that anyway. 🙄 Ok, I will admit the UK mainstream media is generally centre-right politically. But that's where most of the electorate has been politically for most of the last 40-50 years, so given there is only one public broadcaster paid for by taxes, why would the overall media landscape not match the general public opinion...? The UK's media overall is not (as is often-claimed) massively right-wing, massively pro-government or even close to fascist. There is balance and regulation in mainstream media and what most people object to is news they disagree with, not news that is biased....
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Post by yattongas on Oct 6, 2023 11:18:42 GMT
It’s pointing out that although there are a few left wing media outlets it’s nothing on the scale of those on the right. Making your question pretty much pointless . But you knew that anyway. 🙄 Ok, I will admit the UK mainstream media is generally centre-right politically. But that's where most of the electorate has been politically for most of the last 40-50 years, so given there is only one public broadcaster paid for by taxes, why would the overall media landscape not match the general public opinion...? The UK's media overall is not (as is often-claimed) massively right-wing, massively pro-government or even close to fascist. There is balance and regulation in mainstream media and what most people object to is news they disagree with, not news that is biased.... With respect that is complete nonsense. We have a first past the post system where the Tories get total control ( whilst in government) with 30-40% of the vote . That means 60% don’t want them , labour , greens and I’d say Libdems more left than right. 80% of print media is right wing , we’ve now got GeeBeebies with their own 24 hr (?) news (😂🙄) channel pumping out absolute rubbish , Talk tv which is right wing . No left wing news channel to my knowledge on British tv ? The Tory party has definitely moved to the right vehemently in recent yrs , Patel , Braverman , a whole cohort of Brexit loons ( too many to mention) ,f**k off back home 30p Lee , Farage ( most definitely a fascist) dancing at the Tory conference, fetishism with the union flag , for a while we had a few dressing up in military uniforms. Demonising trans people , telling the disabled they need to work or they’re scapegoated as scroungers . Visceral hatred from many Tories of anything European. Hatred of those fleeing persecution. Ukippers take over of the Tory party from the ground up . So yes , I would definitely say they are on the march to fascism .
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Post by supergas on Oct 7, 2023 8:58:50 GMT
Ok, I will admit the UK mainstream media is generally centre-right politically. But that's where most of the electorate has been politically for most of the last 40-50 years, so given there is only one public broadcaster paid for by taxes, why would the overall media landscape not match the general public opinion...? The UK's media overall is not (as is often-claimed) massively right-wing, massively pro-government or even close to fascist. There is balance and regulation in mainstream media and what most people object to is news they disagree with, not news that is biased.... With respect that is complete nonsense. We have a first past the post system where the Tories get total control ( whilst in government) with 30-40% of the vote . That means 60% don’t want them , labour , greens and I’d say Libdems more left than right. 80% of print media is right wing , we’ve now got GeeBeebies with their own 24 hr (?) news (😂🙄) channel pumping out absolute rubbish , Talk tv which is right wing . No left wing news channel to my knowledge on British tv ? The Tory party has definitely moved to the right vehemently in recent yrs , Patel , Braverman , a whole cohort of Brexit loons ( too many to mention) ,f**k off back home 30p Lee , Farage ( most definitely a fascist) dancing at the Tory conference, fetishism with the union flag , for a while we had a few dressing up in military uniforms. Demonising trans people , telling the disabled they need to work or they’re scapegoated as scroungers . Visceral hatred from many Tories of anything European. Hatred of those fleeing persecution. Ukippers take over of the Tory party from the ground up . So yes , I would definitely say they are on the march to fascism . What makes you think "...60% don’t want them..." I would agree some of those who don't vote Conservative don't want them in government, but some who vote for another party don't mind if they are...
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Post by Gassy on Oct 7, 2023 20:48:01 GMT
Sorry a question I have - BBC is apparently considered left wing? There have been many examples of Tory supporting questions/interviews analysis so I’m curious what makes them so left wing? With examples of possible because I hear this a lot from Tory voters, almost as a blanket excuse
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Post by yattongas on Oct 7, 2023 20:59:51 GMT
Sorry a question I have - BBC is apparently considered left wing? There have been many examples of Tory supporting questions/interviews analysis so I’m curious what makes them so left wing? With examples of possible because I hear this a lot from Tory voters, almost as a blanket excuse Robbie Gibb . End of discussion.
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Post by aghast on Oct 7, 2023 22:46:44 GMT
Sorry a question I have - BBC is apparently considered left wing? There have been many examples of Tory supporting questions/interviews analysis so I’m curious what makes them so left wing? With examples of possible because I hear this a lot from Tory voters, almost as a blanket excuse Robbie Gibb . End of discussion. Not quite. Anyone who can write Stayin' Alive is allowed the odd Brexit lapse. It's the drugs, probably.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 8, 2023 19:25:57 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 9, 2023 7:36:57 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Oct 9, 2023 7:58:31 GMT
Weird how all these deep fakes seem to come from the right of politics. I’m sure there are some from the left but I haven’t heard of any yet .
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Post by francegas on Oct 9, 2023 8:14:27 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Oct 9, 2023 8:31:56 GMT
Hardly a deep fake but obvs completely out of order .
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Post by yattongas on Oct 10, 2023 14:05:51 GMT
Starmers speech was pretty good , very upbeat but still not enough substance for me. Much much better than Sunak’s effort last week .
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Post by wertongas on Oct 10, 2023 15:10:26 GMT
i think Brexit has been good for us , the 2 largest companies in Europe , Shell (the Biggest) and Unilever have moved their headquaters entirely to the UK, bringing in more investment and employment . Then look back to the shambolick covid vacination scheme accross Europe , what a mess. Unfortunatly alot of people can't see beyond the end of their nose.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 10, 2023 15:30:23 GMT
i think Brexit has been good for us , the 2 largest companies in Europe , Shell (the Biggest) and Unilever have moved their headquaters entirely to the UK, bringing in more investment and employment . Then look back to the shambolick covid vacination scheme accross Europe , what a mess. Unfortunatly alot of people can't see beyond the end of their nose. Have you been kicked in the head by a horse ?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 10, 2023 15:34:39 GMT
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