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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 12:53:55 GMT
Honestly how can you use one example of a drunken prick throwing a pint glass at a manager, who in their right mind throws a pint glass anyway over a game of football?
It’s as if you think it’s ok to throw pint glasses to even use is as an example, you are making this about you, not me doing this. I post from a point of experience and foundation, I saw magnificent support in Dortmund that semi final night (Dutch easy draw).
Your thought process must be, Nick Higgs was that bad we even punched horses?!
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 21, 2024 13:19:26 GMT
One more time as you seem to struggle to read, I like Southgate and I like Taylor. Sorry that upsets you.
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Post by madgas on Nov 21, 2024 13:20:58 GMT
I'm still lost as to the relevance of a 6 year youtube at 4m20secs.
What Cogs said didn't work.
It was unclear and uninspiring.
It doesn't match our situation at all.
What are we learning? How does this map to MT?
I you might argue that GC got more out of less? I'd have that debate. I think it's more nuanced and too small a sample size but it's worth discussion.
I'm not sure how a minute of Cogs failed moaning relates to the current predicament. Its stretches like this that make me think people have agendas tbh.
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 21, 2024 13:43:26 GMT
One more time as you seem to struggle to read, I like Southgate and I like Taylor. Sorry that upsets you. Me too and that's as someone with affinity elsewhere 🏴 As for Matt Taylor. Complete change of opinion here. Dignified, measured and focused...those weren't in doubt. His ability to coach under inordinate pressure? Beginning to prove this, I reckon and more power to him. UTFG and again, sod the owners. 🏴☠️ |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 21, 2024 14:04:33 GMT
What a bizzare read!
I do not really see the point in dredging up the past if I am honest, but what I will say is that managers (like players) tend to find their level. It is no coincidence that 'Cogs' has failed at every job he took after us and now finds himself managing a semi pro team. He was a footballing dinosaur back then, let alone now.
Back to MT, I am really not sure what people expected from us this season? Did we really think that we were going to be playing beautiful football troubling the top 6? Delusion if you did I am afraid.
This is a transitional season for a team who have historically finished mid to lower half league 1 consistently. Not only that, but this is a particularly hard league 1 this season with some huge teams with huge budgets joining us. I am afraid to say, that anything above relegation places this season has to be seen as a good outcome with all of the above in mind.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 21, 2024 14:08:18 GMT
It's all well and good having an obvious dislike for MT but we have no direct control over who manages the side, in a perfect world MT will leave if we lose on Saturday, but we don't live in a perfect world. Ok, so let's say you do have control over whom manages the team.. You sack MT presumably (seems you have made your mind up on him), who are we getting in then? |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 15:57:23 GMT
That’s what is great with this forum, pointless thread 5 pages deep.
As for liking Southgate, it doesn’t matter if you like him or not, can’t see any reason for his name to referenced or an example of a pint glass thrown at him.
Let’s all agree we hope MT starts to be able to get more wins and points like Cogs regardless of style and budget extremes.
UTFG, and some form of point/points Saturday
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2024 16:34:04 GMT
Amen.
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Post by imanobody on Nov 21, 2024 16:47:43 GMT
And I only asked for factual evidence to how much Taylor has spent against how much he has received in transfer money so that we can then give a balanced view on your opinion that Taylor has wasted millions on the team.
If you want a balanced debate then simply answer the question and please don’t ignore them as you started the thread in the first place.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2024 17:59:00 GMT
Does it really matter what MT received given that AC was hardly an intragal part of MT's side before he was sold, Evo perhaps more so, although not sure he was playing to his own full potential.
It can't be denied MT's squad cost around £1.5m to put together and Omochere and Sotiriou don't look good value for money at present, whilst Hutchinson is improving I'm not really sure he's also justifying his transfer fee.
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 18:40:02 GMT
And I only asked for factual evidence to how much Taylor has spent against how much he has received in transfer money so that we can then give a balanced view on your opinion that Taylor has wasted millions on the team. If you want a balanced debate then simply answer the question and please don’t ignore them as you started the thread in the first place. Sorry ignored you because no one is ever going to be able give factual evidence because so many transfers are stated as disclosed. I can/could go via Credit Safe and ask my FD to review our accounts back to Cogs period to see our expenditure and see if we detail our playing budget. Issue is most business if not all are the previous years set of accounts submitted, we won’t know this seasons until next season or when the FA release information. Barton said he wanted a £5 million budget like Plymouth to have a real go, he said that summer he was happy with being backed. Hussain said the budget would be similar this season and we’ve spent on lot of paid fees as Abdul said on first fans forum. DC left frustrated and said he couldn’t keep selling goals and replacing them with the money he had, Steff Payne. Cogs took this on, we never got him Liam Scales, it was a done deal. MT this summer publicly said he was very happy with the business we had done. Perhaps you can ask the club for the factual deals and fees etc, we wish you all the best. |
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Post by madgas on Nov 21, 2024 18:52:25 GMT
I think MT saying he is happy with the business done is an answer to a different question when comparing 2024 to 2018.
2018, under Cogs we signed alot of players that had experience of league football. Largely raided Cov. And the season before we'd added Sercombe and Upson to a squad that had already got us a promotion... the expectation back then was slow/ steady improvement. There were very few signings where we were hoping to make big money.
2024, we've signed a bunch of players with potential. The squad is much younger. And the design is that 1 or 2 of them have a breakout season and become profitable. Its just totally different.
The expectation- is well... "fill in the blank" because the oweners gave not sold us a version.
Very hard to understand how good our recruitment is without that context.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2024 19:16:05 GMT
Perhaps these sats explain the differences between the two manager/squads: www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bristol-rovers/durchschnittsalter/verein/2455By chance MT was bemoaning last week the fact we've only two players in the 25 to 29 age bracket, as apparently that age group are usually the fitness i.e. have learnt how to deal with niggling injuries. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 19:34:02 GMT
I think MT saying he is happy with the business done is an answer to a different question when comparing 2024 to 2018. 2018, under Cogs we signed alot of players that had experience of league football. Largely raided Cov. And the season before we'd added Sercombe and Upson to a squad that had already got us a promotion... the expectation back then was slow/ steady improvement. There were very few signings where we were hoping to make big money. 2024, we've signed a bunch of players with potential. The squad is much younger. And the design is that 1 or 2 of them have a breakout season and become profitable. Its just totally different. The expectation- is well... "fill in the blank" because the oweners gave not sold us a version. Very hard to understand how good our recruitment is without that context. Wilson, Hunt, Taylor, Martin, Lindsay, Ward, Mola, Moore, Sinclair, Griffthis (played in front of massive crowds), McCormick……some serious experienced pros here and even the younger ones all played over 100 FL games. If I’m doing a Smithy and adding in random managers, thank god Fergie knew how to use the class of 91 😂👏🏼 My favourite Portman Road day to wind up Smithy, Rollin and Alfie ay the back that day in a 3 👍 |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 21, 2024 22:43:51 GMT
I think MT saying he is happy with the business done is an answer to a different question when comparing 2024 to 2018. 2018, under Cogs we signed alot of players that had experience of league football. Largely raided Cov. And the season before we'd added Sercombe and Upson to a squad that had already got us a promotion... the expectation back then was slow/ steady improvement. There were very few signings where we were hoping to make big money. 2024, we've signed a bunch of players with potential. The squad is much younger. And the design is that 1 or 2 of them have a breakout season and become profitable. Its just totally different. The expectation- is well... "fill in the blank" because the oweners gave not sold us a version. Very hard to understand how good our recruitment is without that context. Wilson, Hunt, Taylor, Martin, Lindsay, Ward, Mola, Moore, Sinclair, Griffthis (played in front of massive crowds), McCormick……some serious experienced pros here and even the younger ones all played over 100 FL games. If I’m doing a Smithy and adding in random managers, thank god Fergie knew how to use the class of 91 😂👏🏼 My favourite Portman Road day to wind up Smithy, Rollin and Alfie ay the back that day in a 3 👍 Suspect he used the class of 91 rather sparingly to be fair… 😉 |
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Post by madgas on Nov 22, 2024 2:12:02 GMT
I think MT saying he is happy with the business done is an answer to a different question when comparing 2024 to 2018. 2018, under Cogs we signed alot of players that had experience of league football. Largely raided Cov. And the season before we'd added Sercombe and Upson to a squad that had already got us a promotion... the expectation back then was slow/ steady improvement. There were very few signings where we were hoping to make big money. 2024, we've signed a bunch of players with potential. The squad is much younger. And the design is that 1 or 2 of them have a breakout season and become profitable. Its just totally different. The expectation- is well... "fill in the blank" because the oweners gave not sold us a version. Very hard to understand how good our recruitment is without that context. Wilson, Hunt, Taylor, Martin, Lindsay, Ward, Mola, Moore, Sinclair, Griffthis (played in front of massive crowds), McCormick……some serious experienced pros here and even the younger ones all played over 100 FL games. If I’m doing a Smithy and adding in random managers, thank god Fergie knew how to use the class of 91 😂👏🏼 My favourite Portman Road day to wind up Smithy, Rollin and Alfie ay the back that day in a 3 👍 . Just so weirdly avoiding the 'truth' Of the players you list experienced. Only Mola, Lindsay, Moore and Griffiths were signed under MT. Of which anyone being fair wouldn't count Mola or Griffiths as experienced. Under Coughlan we signed: Tom Davies (already had 2 promotions) Josh Hare (100 games from conference level.) Jaakola (we were last club, he was that experienced) JvS (arguably a cheap punt for the future) Mark little (very exp) Abu Ogogo (over 350 league games) JCH (decent experience) Not many of the above outside JCH were with an eye to the future. Hence were talking completely different approaches. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 22, 2024 14:13:40 GMT
Wilson, Hunt, Taylor, Martin, Lindsay, Ward, Mola, Moore, Sinclair, Griffthis (played in front of massive crowds), McCormick……some serious experienced pros here and even the younger ones all played over 100 FL games. If I’m doing a Smithy and adding in random managers, thank god Fergie knew how to use the class of 91 😂👏🏼 My favourite Portman Road day to wind up Smithy, Rollin and Alfie ay the back that day in a 3 👍 . Just so weirdly avoiding the 'truth' Of the players you list experienced. Only Mola, Lindsay, Moore and Griffiths were signed under MT. Of which anyone being fair wouldn't count Mola or Griffiths as experienced. Under Coughlan we signed: Tom Davies (already had 2 promotions) Josh Hare (100 games from conference level.) Jaakola (we were last club, he was that experienced) JvS (arguably a cheap punt for the future) Mark little (very exp) Abu Ogogo (over 350 league games) JCH (decent experience) Not many of the above outside JCH were with an eye to the future. Hence were talking completely different approaches. ...but every one made significant contributions and were a decent acquisition at the time. Even Ollie had his Justin Richards moment. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2024 16:12:00 GMT
. Just so weirdly avoiding the 'truth' Of the players you list experienced. Only Mola, Lindsay, Moore and Griffiths were signed under MT. Of which anyone being fair wouldn't count Mola or Griffiths as experienced. Under Coughlan we signed: Tom Davies (already had 2 promotions) Josh Hare (100 games from conference level.) Jaakola (we were last club, he was that experienced) JvS (arguably a cheap punt for the future) Mark little (very exp) Abu Ogogo (over 350 league games) JCH (decent experience) Not many of the above outside JCH were with an eye to the future. Hence were talking completely different approaches. ...but every one made significant contributions and were a decent acquisition at the time. Even Ollie had his Justin Richards moment. Not sure Josh Hare, JVS (didn't he get BG sacked after his (non) performance v JB's Fleetwood?) and Mark Little did anything significant? Tom Davies turned out to be another Hunt/Ward and Ogogo also picked up a significant injury. Even Jaakola stole a living towards the end of his contract. The Mansfield Town podcaster suggested on HaG that GC was their worst managerial appointment for 20 years, and they've hardly been a footballing giant in the lower leagues during that period! |
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Post by wertongas on Nov 22, 2024 17:24:39 GMT
Cogs last 5 games in charge for us……. 26 October 201915 Bristol Rovers 2–2 Portsmouth 2 November 201916 Rochdale 1–2 Bristol Rovers 23 November 201917 Shrewsbury Town 3–4 Bristol Rovers 7 December 201918 Bristol Rovers 4–2 Southend United 14 December 201919 Ipswich Town 1–2 Bristol Rovers I just post the truth and clear honest data, on his last game we were a proper play off side in mid December. After stabilising us from relegation, his side finally gelled and people are fixated on the performances he had in still to keep us up. 12 league goals here in 5 games, unbeaten, in between these cup games as well, he was 10 unbeaten. Away wins, holding the likes of Pompey who finished 5th that season. Topper doesn’t just go to see winning football, I have to respect his opinion, I’m desperate for some success and would take the 🪂’s a well, see Wycombe today. And then the silly lady garden decided to hand his notice in and now he manages Boston. Great move. State all the facts you like, we will never know how that season would have panned out as he needed to get home for his cottage pie. Cogs was passionate about this club and saved us from being relagated the season before he left, but unfortunately he faced abuse from a section of the crowd. His daughter was abused on line, their were anti- Irish chants from a section of the crowd, he eludes to the abuse, politics and his love for the club in the Shrewsbury interview, but I can understand why he left. If my daughters were being abused on line by people who were associated with the place i worked i would do the same. It is a sad that the club and fans didn't give him the support he deserved. What is worse is that things haven't improved much with Forde having to face racial abuse. Because of a section of the fans behaviour we will never know what he could have achieved at this club. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2024 18:00:04 GMT
Total nonsense some idiot tweeted GC's daughter right at the start of his tenure there's no way that led to him quitting months later, if he was concerned about what Rovers fan felt about him he wouldn't have come out with the nonsense about Lines 500th game. You sense he was a marmite character with both fans and also club officials/players.
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