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Post by heartofgas on Nov 14, 2023 16:14:19 GMT
That looks alright. I would hope for more rows of seats though and not too keen on the steps being outside of the structure |
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Post by Gashead73 on Nov 14, 2023 17:34:25 GMT
That's actually a nice stand. Would suit our purpose
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Post by singupgas on Nov 14, 2023 18:13:06 GMT
My fear is it will be something like Carlisles with the two funny looking crates ether side of the old stand. would be bit of disaster if that is the best we can do.. there is loads of space to build something impressive. Lower entire east side to pitch level and build up. |
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Post by roversfan369 on Nov 14, 2023 18:53:48 GMT
I would hope the new East stand includes new hospitality and boxes and move everything over the other side allowing the West Stand to become larger and seating only
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Post by wider on Nov 14, 2023 19:06:58 GMT
I’m sure it’s been mentioned before that there were problems with planning when the current West Stand was conceived. It is as it is because it occupied the footprint and was built to the height of the previous structure (wooden, I think?)
That is probably why the West Stand hardly gets mentioned by the owners?
We aren’t welcome at The Mem. We might own it and many of us love it but we can’t do what we like.
We also can’t do what we’d like to do because we can’t justify spending the money (even if we have/had it). The owners now seem more hard headed than Wael and take what he used to say more seriously - we have to be sustainable.
The UWE deal was never going to be sustainable, the Fruit Market stood more chance but apparently not good enough. Hopefully some decent improvements can happen at The Mem “Our Fortress”. UTG.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 14, 2023 19:14:14 GMT
I’m sure it’s been mentioned before that there were problems with planning when the current West Stand was conceived. It is as it is because it occupied the footprint and was built to the height of the previous structure (wooden, I think?) That is probably why the West Stand hardly gets mentioned by the owners? We aren’t welcome at The Mem. We might own it and many of us love it but we can’t do what we like. We also can’t do what we’d like to do because we can’t justify spending the money (even if we have/had it). The owners now seem more hard headed than Wael and take what he used to say more seriously - we have to be sustainable. The UWE deal was never going to be sustainable, the Fruit Market stood more chance but apparently not good enough. Hopefully some decent improvements can happen at The Mem “Our Fortress”. UTG. Yep…..starting with the pasties…..  |
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Post by willytopp84 on Nov 14, 2023 20:45:25 GMT
That looks alright. I would hope for more rows of seats though and not too keen on the steps being outside of the structure A similiar design than that as our phase two would be smart! |
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Post by playtowin on Nov 15, 2023 9:01:00 GMT
Seats can come down to pitch level and a new roof section could be easily supported by the two new end sections. The new seats in front of the old stand do not have to be a continuation of the angle of the old seats but lower and the same with the two new end sections. No doubt it can be done that way, whether it will be we will have to wait and see the new plans. If the roof comes further forward then doubt main flood lights that side won't work. More expense. How are you so convinced that the current roof can be extended forward, supported by new stands? Extended stands would both need things like toilets added. The current east stand roof already extends to the front of the terrace so doesnt need extending outwards. Once the roof goes the whole length of the pitch much more of the bad weather will be blocked out. |
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Post by gas2 on Nov 15, 2023 9:43:11 GMT
If the roof comes further forward then doubt main flood lights that side won't work. More expense. How are you so convinced that the current roof can be extended forward, supported by new stands? Extended stands would both need things like toilets added. The current east stand roof already extends to the front of the terrace so doesnt need extending outwards. Once the roof goes the whole length of the pitch much more of the bad weather will be blocked out. The only weather problem would be the wind blowing the rain into the stand and its always windy in horfield ? |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Nov 15, 2023 10:16:39 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 15, 2023 10:27:42 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem. Let's make sure we can get the vote in our favour today first. |
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Post by singupgas on Nov 15, 2023 10:47:15 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem. This. This. This. 👏 |
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 15, 2023 12:15:12 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem. Unfortunately any planning application of this type will require a travel plan, the one for the South Stand needed one and that wasn't changing the capacity much. Bumping up the capacity as we are planning, means we'll need to have a plan in place. This is the clubs responsibility and no one else's. As mentioned elsewhere our six fingered friends put on shuttle busses to the park and ride for example. |
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Post by singupgas on Nov 15, 2023 12:29:36 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem. Unfortunately any planning application of this type will require a travel plan, the one for the South Stand needed one and that wasn't changing the capacity much. Bumping up the capacity as we are planning, means we'll need to have a plan in place. This is the clubs responsibility and no one else's. As mentioned elsewhere our six fingered friends put on shuttle busses to the park and ride for example. The club will need to have a travel plan then. Should make it happen if it is needed. Shuttle bus are only going to happen if there is a need, a 27k seated Stadium would be a good enough reason for the council to arrange this. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 12:35:57 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem. Big enough for a 40k Stadium? |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Nov 15, 2023 13:07:29 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem. Big enough for a 40k Stadium? Yep! Footprint of the Mem is bigger than Goodison Park for example at Nearly 40K
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 13:10:34 GMT
Big enough for a 40k Stadium? Yep! Footprint of the Mem is bigger than Goodison Park for example at Nearly 40K
Memorial 28175 M2
Goodison Park: 27690 m2I get that, and it's a nice thought, but I think massive hurdles would stop us from getting anywhere near doing that at the Mem. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 13:13:48 GMT
Yep! Footprint of the Mem is bigger than Goodison Park for example at Nearly 40K
Memorial 28175 M2
Goodison Park: 27690 m2I get that, and it's a nice thought, but I think massive hurdles would stop us from getting anywhere near doing that at the Mem. 15-20,000 is fine unless we are regularly challenging for promotion to the Premiership, and the rare cup tie. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 13:26:19 GMT
I get that, and it's a nice thought, but I think massive hurdles would stop us from getting anywhere near doing that at the Mem. 15-20,000 is fine unless we are regularly challenging for promotion to the Premiership, and the rare cup tie. Either of those would be nice. |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Nov 15, 2023 13:30:42 GMT
Future ExpansionI would be very disappointed if they did'nt plan for future expansion. Looking at UK city's of equal size around the country, They have two or three stadiums bigger that the two that Bristol has. A stadium is community asset & I would be going toe to toe with the planners about the Infrastructure getting to & from the stadium. That's not down to the stadium user. Looking at Numerous stadiums the land at the Mem is more than Big enough for 40K stadium. Specifically looking at the Redevelopment I would like to dream to see the following over the next 10 years: Phase 1 - Underway New South Stand Phase 2 - New East Stand at Pitch Level but the front of the new stand at the back of the current terrace. Capacity 7500 to 9000 Phase 3 - Move Pitch towards the new east Stand (width of Current Terrace). Phase 4a - Extend "New" South stand Finishing about Level with the back of the current East Stand Terrace. Capacity Approx 3500 Phase 4 - New North Stand Two Tier. Capacity 5000 to 6000 Phase 5 - New East Stand full length of the Pitch But Starting about where 10 m inside the current Pitch lines because we have moved the West stand over: Capacity 7500 to 9000 All of course with the bars & corporate facilities. Doing it this way you you could get to a capacity of between 23500 & 27500. If the Owners were brave they could have the capacity they desire. As they say "Build it and they will come" In Bristol as I see it (Ie the old county of Avon - Bristol, South Glos & North Somerset) There are a Million People. Even if you you went for the most adventurous numbers here you would only be accounting for seating of less than 6% of the population across AG & The Mem. Unfortunately any planning application of this type will require a travel plan, the one for the South Stand needed one and that wasn't changing the capacity much. Bumping up the capacity as we are planning, means we'll need to have a plan in place. This is the clubs responsibility and no one else's. As mentioned elsewhere our six fingered friends put on shuttle busses to the park and ride for example. This is what I mean about going Toe to Toe with the local apriority / Planners & ultimately you would win. This is happening in Newcastle & has happened in Liverpool with Anfield. It would be a fair time before you would really push there boundary's Based on my Hypothetical development plan (in round figures); Capacity during Phase 2 - 9900New South Stand - 3400 Current North - 3500 Current West - 'Say 2000' Capacity during Phase 4 - 12900 (14400)New South Stand - 3400 New East Stand - 7500 (9000) Current East - 'Say 2000' It's only at this point that would you be into unchartered capacity's at the Mem but you would have the Space and the ability to really challenge the Non stadium things that would stop expansion. You could also review exactly what we needed Capacity at Start of Phase 5 - 15900 (18400)New South Stand - 3400 New East Stand - 7500 (9000) New North Stand - 5000 (6000) |
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