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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 2, 2023 13:17:11 GMT
Boris speaks.....
"More now from Boris Johnson, who was addressing the Global Soft Power Summit this afternoon.
In his speech, he admitted that he made mistakes in signing his Northern Ireland Protocol that caused the DUP to walk out of powersharing because of trade barriers in the Irish Sea.
"I thought those checks would not be onerous since there isn't that much stuff that falls into that category; most of the goods stay in Northern Ireland," he said.
Muttering, the former prime minister added: "It's all my fault, I fully accept responsibility."
Oh, and Isabel Oakeshott. Why??
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Post by baggins on Mar 2, 2023 14:21:59 GMT
Boris speaks..... "More now from Boris Johnson, who was addressing the Global Soft Power Summit this afternoon. In his speech, he admitted that he made mistakes in signing his Northern Ireland Protocol that caused the DUP to walk out of powersharing because of trade barriers in the Irish Sea. "I thought those checks would not be onerous since there isn't that much stuff that falls into that category; most of the goods stay in Northern Ireland," he said. Muttering, the former prime minister added: "It's all my fault, I fully accept responsibility." Oh, and Isabel Oakeshott. Why?? He fully accepts responsibility? What about the other sh1t he's responsible for? |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 2, 2023 16:31:24 GMT
Way to simplistic. The natural extension of the point you are arguing is to raise the age of eligibility to vote. Is that what you want? Surely then we would have to raise the age of consent in sexual matters, or indeed to join the arm forces. Surely. On a broader point about political orientation in education. You completely miss context, context of events after 1900. If, as most of us were/are, your family background was working class (hate that term, but for the sake of point) then Upto 1939 as a young person you were either canon or factory fodder. For the vast majority there were not many other avenues. It was after 1945 and two devastating wars that people said "enough" and elected what you GoA would define as a "lefty" government, rather sensationally booting Churchill. What happened then over the next 15 years was the creation of a social security "net", NHS and expansion of higher education for all. It was us, the baby boomers (me born 1952) who benefitted from all that. Then came the 60s. Becoming more knowledgeable than our mother's and father's (a gross generalisation I accept) led to an eye opening reality of life in the UK prior to the wars, a lack of acceptance the restrictive social norms of our predecessors. This wasn't easily defined as left wing, although plenty war the T shirt. This was more anarchic, about tearing down the structures of at best a paternalistic society, at worse a feudalistic one. Then we went to work. And discovered money, money our parents could only dream of. Out of that desire grew the technology we take for granted today. We preached liberalism whilst carrying on brutalising non developed nations and eventually burning, literally, the world. And here we are, that liberal ideology born of public services enhancement, left withered on the vine. The revenge of the laissez faire capitalists, those that worship(ed) at the alter of Friedrich Hayek, led by Thatcher and Reagan in the 80s, complete. Our public services are decimated, too many of our kids poorly educated and in ghettos of economic deprivation. So no, the baby boomer generation is not guilt free, we are guilty as charged. The young people are not indoctrinated in some cult like left wing ideology as you contend, they are bereft of any ideology at all, apart from single issue protests. Finally, to put the boot in before we die, we voted to deprive the young generation of economic vitality, the social freedoms, the very thing we worked for and voted for in the early 1970s, by voting for the catastrophe that is Brexit. Against the very wishes of those, younger people, we have condemned that future to. If you could transport me from 1970 as I was then, to today, I wouldn't be defined as "left wing" but I would be seeking to tear overthrow the current political establishment. What's to lose? Extremist babble. The reason for the world as it was before the wars was because of the fundamental nature of the work involved. You can’t have a particularly nice working environment down a mine or a shipyard. The greatest advances in living standard in this country came after the 1980s and the readjustment of this country out of the darkness of unionised and corrupt nationalised industries and into the light of a modern, service based economy. The state pension at inception was a pittance. It was designed to pay for about 8 years prior to death at a younger age. It was not the land of milk and honey. As for brutalising the world, compared to what, or who? The Soviet Union? That was the alternative. In what right mind would you see that as a viable alternative? If you think the youth are without ideology and young kids come to the convulsions they have as they are a natural state of things you are so far mistaken then you might as well stick your head back in your guardian and dribble into that to at least improve the hygiene of this thread by not letting it dribble all over here. It is complete and utter indoctrination. I had you fkers do It to me and had I not broken free I’d be a broke, bitter and resentful loser asking the world to solve my problems rather than solving them myself. Turning generations against their elders is reprehensible. Key tactic of every leftist movement in history, and you should be ashamed to denigrate what was a far better generation compared to the bed wetting, spoiled narcissists we have today. I’m one of them sadly and it’s extremely bad company to keep. The boomers have done the youth a solid and time will tell on this. Wait until these kids get to have mortgages and see how their living standard will be reduced by cultish leftist politics and they will come to exactly the same conclusions as me. If your ideology stood on its feet you wouldn’t need to get to the kids early nor desecrate the achievements of their parents. After the war came down they went squarely for the institutions because it became clear that the public wouldn’t never buy it. The sad fact now is those who remember, are now dying off and we are making the same mistakes all over again Blimey I’ve read some drivel on here but this is taking it to new levels . What an utter load of right wing tripe . I bet you’re the sort who would stand outside ‘protecting’ statues wearing your fake army uniform and seeing yourself as a bit of a hard man. 🤡 |
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Post by oldie on Mar 2, 2023 17:41:10 GMT
Extremist babble. The reason for the world as it was before the wars was because of the fundamental nature of the work involved. You can’t have a particularly nice working environment down a mine or a shipyard. The greatest advances in living standard in this country came after the 1980s and the readjustment of this country out of the darkness of unionised and corrupt nationalised industries and into the light of a modern, service based economy. The state pension at inception was a pittance. It was designed to pay for about 8 years prior to death at a younger age. It was not the land of milk and honey. As for brutalising the world, compared to what, or who? The Soviet Union? That was the alternative. In what right mind would you see that as a viable alternative? If you think the youth are without ideology and young kids come to the convulsions they have as they are a natural state of things you are so far mistaken then you might as well stick your head back in your guardian and dribble into that to at least improve the hygiene of this thread by not letting it dribble all over here. It is complete and utter indoctrination. I had you fkers do It to me and had I not broken free I’d be a broke, bitter and resentful loser asking the world to solve my problems rather than solving them myself. Turning generations against their elders is reprehensible. Key tactic of every leftist movement in history, and you should be ashamed to denigrate what was a far better generation compared to the bed wetting, spoiled narcissists we have today. I’m one of them sadly and it’s extremely bad company to keep. The boomers have done the youth a solid and time will tell on this. Wait until these kids get to have mortgages and see how their living standard will be reduced by cultish leftist politics and they will come to exactly the same conclusions as me. If your ideology stood on its feet you wouldn’t need to get to the kids early nor desecrate the achievements of their parents. After the war came down they went squarely for the institutions because it became clear that the public wouldn’t never buy it. The sad fact now is those who remember, are now dying off and we are making the same mistakes all over again Blimey I’ve read some drivel on here but this is taking it to new levels . What an utter load of right wing tripe . I bet you’re the sort who would stand outside ‘protecting’ statues wearing your fake army uniform and seeing yourself as a bit of a hard man. 🤡 It's almost disturbing isn't it. I find it hard to believe that there are people out there that think like this. |
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Post by francegas on Mar 2, 2023 18:43:06 GMT
There was me thinking that civil servants were supposed to be politically neutral.
I see Sue Gray , who helped to bring down Boris for having a cuppa and slice of cake, is to be rewarded by "Sir" keir Starmer to become his chief of staff.
Well well well who would have thought it.
Let's hope Rishi doesn't rubber stamp the appointment.
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Post by oldie on Mar 2, 2023 18:45:07 GMT
There was me thinking that civil servants were supposed to be politically neutral. I see Sue Gray , who helped to bring down Boris for having a cuppa and slice of cake, is to be rewarded by "Sir" keir Starmer to become his chief of staff. Well well well who would have thought it. Let's hope Rishi doesn't rubber stamp the appointment. Johnson brought himself down. He didn't need much help. |
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Post by francegas on Mar 2, 2023 18:55:11 GMT
There was me thinking that civil servants were supposed to be politically neutral. I see Sue Gray , who helped to bring down Boris for having a cuppa and slice of cake, is to be rewarded by "Sir" keir Starmer to become his chief of staff. Well well well who would have thought it. Let's hope Rishi doesn't rubber stamp the appointment. Johnson brought himself down. He didn't need much help. So why the need for the Sue Gray report? So I take it you fully support a "politically neutral" civil servant being appointed by Starmer. If so would you have supported it if the Tories made such an appointment. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 2, 2023 19:04:40 GMT
Johnson brought himself down. He didn't need much help. So why the need for the Sue Gray report? So I take it you fully support a "politically neutral" civil servant being appointed by Starmer. If so would you have supported it if the Tories made such an appointment. Haha you were working yourself into a frenzy for days about Starmers curry . God you’ve got a cheek 🙄 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 2, 2023 19:13:54 GMT
Johnson brought himself down. He didn't need much help. So why the need for the Sue Gray report? So I take it you fully support a "politically neutral" civil servant being appointed by Starmer. If so would you have supported it if the Tories made such an appointment. Who asked Sue Grey to investigate, was her or her son's affiliations known and did you have a problem with Cameron offering a post to General Dannatt as his defence adviser while he was still Chief of the General Staff? Plenty of precedent on both sides. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 2, 2023 19:38:52 GMT
So why the need for the Sue Gray report? So I take it you fully support a "politically neutral" civil servant being appointed by Starmer. If so would you have supported it if the Tories made such an appointment. Who asked Sue Grey to investigate, was her or her son's affiliations known and did you have a problem with Cameron offering a post to General Dannatt as his defence adviser while he was still Chief of the General Staff? Plenty of precedent on both sides. I’m sure France is up in arms about the appointment of the bbc chairman as well . |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 2, 2023 23:24:43 GMT
There was me thinking that civil servants were supposed to be politically neutral. I see Sue Gray , who helped to bring down Boris for having a cuppa and slice of cake, is to be rewarded by "Sir" keir Starmer to become his chief of staff. Well well well who would have thought it. Let's hope Rishi doesn't rubber stamp the appointment. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 2, 2023 23:29:21 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Mar 2, 2023 23:57:56 GMT
He said she said. The bigger problem here is that France actually believes Boris only had a cuppa and a slice of cake.
And he thought the Russians believe the propaganda!
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Post by francegas on Mar 3, 2023 6:44:43 GMT
So why the need for the Sue Gray report? So I take it you fully support a "politically neutral" civil servant being appointed by Starmer. If so would you have supported it if the Tories made such an appointment. Haha you were working yourself into a frenzy for days about Starmers curry . God you’ve got a cheek 🙄 Sorry you've lost me on that reply.🙄 |
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Post by francegas on Mar 3, 2023 6:49:47 GMT
He said she said. The bigger problem here is that France actually believes Boris only had a cuppa and a slice of cake. And he thought the Russians believe the propaganda! And you believe Starmer and Co only had a work break to have a curry and a beer. Now was Angie there or wasn't she ? Because she and Starmer couldn't recall . I have no idea what your last sentence is implying. |
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Post by francegas on Mar 3, 2023 6:51:36 GMT
Who asked Sue Grey to investigate, was her or her son's affiliations known and did you have a problem with Cameron offering a post to General Dannatt as his defence adviser while he was still Chief of the General Staff? Plenty of precedent on both sides. I’m sure France is up in arms about the appointment of the bbc chairman as well . Probably something I missed whilst away. But your not using a case of Whataboutery now are you Yatton? Tut tut.🙄🙄 |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 3, 2023 8:45:56 GMT
I’m sure France is up in arms about the appointment of the bbc chairman as well . Probably something I missed whilst away. But your not using a case of Whataboutery now are you Yatton? Tut tut.🙄🙄 Touché 😃 |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 3, 2023 12:15:34 GMT
He said she said. The bigger problem here is that France actually believes Boris only had a cuppa and a slice of cake. And he thought the Russians believe the propaganda! And you believe Starmer and Co only had a work break to have a curry and a beer. Now was Angie there or wasn't she ? Because she and Starmer couldn't recall . I have no idea what your last sentence is implying. So what proof do you actually have of Starmer having a social? There’s a dodgy photo through a window that has been proven to be taken during the time he was doing some sort of webcast. Boris has photos, screenshots & videos of toasting, drinking alcohol & hosting Christmas parties - and you think he only had a cuppa? You know exactly what is meant by that last sentence. Let me guess, do you presume to believe that Starmer refused to prosecute Jimmy Saville? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 3, 2023 13:12:54 GMT
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Post by francegas on Mar 3, 2023 14:55:26 GMT
And you believe Starmer and Co only had a work break to have a curry and a beer. Now was Angie there or wasn't she ? Because she and Starmer couldn't recall . I have no idea what your last sentence is implying. So what proof do you actually have of Starmer having a social? There’s a dodgy photo through a window that has been proven to be taken during the time he was doing some sort of webcast. Boris has photos, screenshots & videos of toasting, drinking alcohol & hosting Christmas parties - and you think he only had a cuppa? You know exactly what is meant by that last sentence. Let me guess, do you presume to believe that Starmer refused to prosecute Jimmy Saville? He certainly looked hard at work doing a "webcast" whilst drinking a bottle of beer and eating a curry. Didn't he also at the same time pose holding up a non league football Jersey having taken time out to discuss the non league club who interrupted his...."webcast" In respect of your last sentence it was under his watch that Saville wasn't prosecuted along with not prosecuting the police officer who killed Ian Tomlinson and taking the decision not to prosecute anyone over the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes so yes I blame him in the same way people have blamed boris on various things because it was under his watch. |
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