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Post by yattongas on Nov 15, 2023 11:06:52 GMT
Inflation halved as the government wanted. Hidden in today's news. Target 2%!🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 11:15:00 GMT
Inflation halved as the government wanted. Hidden in today's news. Target 2%!🙄 It is, but halving was one of Rishi's pledges. Along with stopping the boats........🤔
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Post by yattongas on Nov 15, 2023 11:31:14 GMT
It is, but halving was one of Rishi's pledges. Along with stopping the boats........🤔 I pledge to watch a Rovers game next season. You can hold me to that !
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Post by oldie on Nov 15, 2023 12:26:41 GMT
Fair enough, I guess time will tell - the war in Ukraine will enter it's third year in February 2024, the current Israel/Hamas conflict will pass six months in April 2024 and the General Election is likely to be in May... ...my bet is Cameron will be spending most of his time working on those two issues rather than being on the campaign trail for an election they will lose regardless - why would he want to come back to do anything other than actually make a difference where it matters...? Agree on the Cameron decision. Interesting you think the GE will be May. I'm coming round to that myself. There seems to be three obvious dates; May, the Autumn or leaving it to the last minute in January 2025. May 2024 could be seen as too soon, the Autumn clashes with the US elections and January means a Christmas/ winter campaign which is seen as not the best timing. May (or spring in general) is probably the most practical if Sunak is willing to go then. Perhaps a 'give away' Budget then go for it hoping to mitigate the losses. I don't agree on Cameron. On the Ukraine issue that course is set. We support Ukraine in what will increasingly become a Proxy War with Russia, or abandon them and concede to Russia. Whether it is David Cameron representing us or Mickey Mouse will not add any value to that situation. On Israel and the Palestine issue, I do not believe Hezbollah (Iran), HAMAS or the Israelis give two hoots what we think. Whether our thoughts are represented by Cameron or the internal wranglings of the Labour Party. It's cloud cuckoo land to think otherwise. Cameron was appointed to appeal to the centre ground of Tory support and nothing else. What is hilarious is that an entitled Bullingdon Club member, one who led a government which decimated our public services, led a disastrous military intervention in Libya, who enriched himself in a potentially fraudulent and now bankrupt company, could be considered as a "good" appointment. On that basis Ghengis Khan should be Defence Secretary. He is dead I hear you say? But most of the cabinet are "brain dead"
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Post by oldie on Nov 15, 2023 12:27:08 GMT
Democracy at work....love it Almost worth signing up to the other forum. Almost. They stopped responding.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 13:10:58 GMT
Agree on the Cameron decision. Interesting you think the GE will be May. I'm coming round to that myself. There seems to be three obvious dates; May, the Autumn or leaving it to the last minute in January 2025. May 2024 could be seen as too soon, the Autumn clashes with the US elections and January means a Christmas/ winter campaign which is seen as not the best timing. May (or spring in general) is probably the most practical if Sunak is willing to go then. Perhaps a 'give away' Budget then go for it hoping to mitigate the losses. I don't agree on Cameron. On the Ukraine issue that course is set. We support Ukraine in what will increasingly become a Proxy War with Russia, or abandon them and concede to Russia. Whether it is David Cameron representing us or Mickey Mouse will not add any value to that situation. On Israel and the Palestine issue, I do not believe Hezbollah (Iran), HAMAS or the Israelis give two hoots what we think. Whether our thoughts are represented by Cameron or the internal wranglings of the Labour Party. It's cloud cuckoo land to think otherwise. Cameron was appointed to appeal to the centre ground of Tory support and nothing else. What is hilarious is that an entitled Bullingdon Club member, one who led a government which decimated our public services, led a disastrous military intervention in Libya, who enriched himself in a potentially fraudulent and now bankrupt company, could be considered as a "good" appointment. On that basis Ghengis Khan should be Defence Secretary. He is dead I hear you say? But most of the cabinet are "brain dead" Agree as in having built up contacts, is known and that as a Peer he won't be trying to undermine Sunak with a leadership challenge. Having a former PM does bring with it some status, not my thoughts but those of a number of former diplomats interviewed recently. In these trying times, having someone slightly away from the backstabbing would be an advantage with an uncertain world. Diplomats would know that he's not going to be having one eye on the PM's role and can concentrate on the matter in hand. Wrt Isreal, I agree with you that we've a little voice (although I wouldn't underestimate our security, intelligence and diplomatic services) in Tel Aviv. Pity we left the EU where we'd have a say on an EU response. "Whats that I hear you say? The EU amplified our voice in the world?". Nah!! 😶
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 13:11:46 GMT
Almost worth signing up to the other forum. Almost. They stopped responding. Quelle surprise. 😃
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Post by yattongas on Nov 15, 2023 17:01:48 GMT
Sunak gone full tonto
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 18:08:19 GMT
Heading off a no confidence motion and a Braverman broadside.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 15, 2023 18:16:57 GMT
Heading off a no confidence motion and a Braverman broadside. Do the loons have enough nutters to force a no confidence vote though? Whetever , they’ve totally lost the plot 🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 18:26:36 GMT
Heading off a no confidence motion and a Braverman broadside. Do the loons have enough nutters to force a no confidence vote though? Whetever , they’ve totally lost the plot 🙄 There was one on Politics Live earlier. Absolutely desperate, talking about withdrawing from about every treaty we've signed up to. 😶
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Post by yattongas on Nov 15, 2023 18:38:38 GMT
Do the loons have enough nutters to force a no confidence vote though? Whetever , they’ve totally lost the plot 🙄 There was one on Politics Live earlier. Absolutely desperate, talking about withdrawing from about every treaty we've signed up to. 😶 France will still vote for them though ! 😂🇬🇧
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Post by oldie on Nov 15, 2023 20:33:20 GMT
There was one on Politics Live earlier. Absolutely desperate, talking about withdrawing from about every treaty we've signed up to. 😶 France will still vote for them though ! 😂🇬🇧 Bloody foreign courts, interfering with our democratic right of self determination....oh..hang on..😂😂
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 20:37:49 GMT
France will still vote for them though ! 😂🇬🇧 Bloody foreign courts, interfering with our democratic right of self determination....oh..hang on..😂😂 I bet they all voted remain. 😇
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 15, 2023 20:51:11 GMT
Labour hit by a series of resignations.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 15, 2023 20:52:47 GMT
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Post by supergas on Nov 16, 2023 8:16:00 GMT
Agree on the Cameron decision. Interesting you think the GE will be May. I'm coming round to that myself. There seems to be three obvious dates; May, the Autumn or leaving it to the last minute in January 2025. May 2024 could be seen as too soon, the Autumn clashes with the US elections and January means a Christmas/ winter campaign which is seen as not the best timing. May (or spring in general) is probably the most practical if Sunak is willing to go then. Perhaps a 'give away' Budget then go for it hoping to mitigate the losses. I don't agree on Cameron. On the Ukraine issue that course is set. We support Ukraine in what will increasingly become a Proxy War with Russia, or abandon them and concede to Russia. Whether it is David Cameron representing us or Mickey Mouse will not add any value to that situation. On Israel and the Palestine issue, I do not believe Hezbollah (Iran), HAMAS or the Israelis give two hoots what we think. Whether our thoughts are represented by Cameron or the internal wranglings of the Labour Party. It's cloud cuckoo land to think otherwise. Cameron was appointed to appeal to the centre ground of Tory support and nothing else. What is hilarious is that an entitled Bullingdon Club member, one who led a government which decimated our public services, led a disastrous military intervention in Libya, who enriched himself in a potentially fraudulent and now bankrupt company, could be considered as a "good" appointment. On that basis Ghengis Khan should be Defence Secretary. He is dead I hear you say? But most of the cabinet are "brain dead" I think maybe you don't understand what any UK Foreign Secretary spends most of their time doing....he won't be meeting Russia nor trying to broker any kind of peace deal - as UK Foreign Secretary he will be making sure all of our allies and other friendly countries are all on the same page supporting Ukraine and against Russia. He will be making sure as many countries as possible are placing as many sanctions as practical on Russia to try to force them to come and start negotiating peace. Same with Israel/Hamas/Hezbollah. Whilst diplomacy there is currently much more active, again no one is expecting him to broker a ceasefire - but he knows lots of the people involved and has relationships with other leaders in the area - he will walk into a room and people will know who he is and will listen to what he says because of who he is and what he has done... ...I don't understand the argument that it's about UK politics - the Conservatives will lose the next election by 100+ seats no matter what they do in the next 12 months - and anything Cameron does inside the party right now will continue to widen splits between the different factions - he knows that, Sunak knows that and most other people in the party know that. I stand by my initial claim, the only reason he would want to come back and the only reason Sunak would want him back is to be a good Foreign Secretary for 6-12 months....
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 16, 2023 8:27:02 GMT
I don't agree on Cameron. On the Ukraine issue that course is set. We support Ukraine in what will increasingly become a Proxy War with Russia, or abandon them and concede to Russia. Whether it is David Cameron representing us or Mickey Mouse will not add any value to that situation. On Israel and the Palestine issue, I do not believe Hezbollah (Iran), HAMAS or the Israelis give two hoots what we think. Whether our thoughts are represented by Cameron or the internal wranglings of the Labour Party. It's cloud cuckoo land to think otherwise. Cameron was appointed to appeal to the centre ground of Tory support and nothing else. What is hilarious is that an entitled Bullingdon Club member, one who led a government which decimated our public services, led a disastrous military intervention in Libya, who enriched himself in a potentially fraudulent and now bankrupt company, could be considered as a "good" appointment. On that basis Ghengis Khan should be Defence Secretary. He is dead I hear you say? But most of the cabinet are "brain dead" I think maybe you don't understand what any UK Foreign Secretary spends most of their time doing....he won't be meeting Russia nor trying to broker any kind of peace deal - as UK Foreign Secretary he will be making sure all of our allies and other friendly countries are all on the same page supporting Ukraine and against Russia. He will be making sure as many countries as possible are placing as many sanctions as practical on Russia to try to force them to come and start negotiating peace. Same with Israel/Hamas/Hezbollah. Whilst diplomacy there is currently much more active, again no one is expecting him to broker a ceasefire - but he knows lots of the people involved and has relationships with other leaders in the area - he will walk into a room and people will know who he is and will listen to what he says because of who he is and what he has done... ...I don't understand the argument that it's about UK politics - the Conservatives will lose the next election by 100+ seats no matter what they do in the next 12 months - and anything Cameron does inside the party right now will continue to widen splits between the different factions - he knows that, Sunak knows that and most other people in the party know that. I stand by my initial claim, the only reason he would want to come back and the only reason Sunak would want him back is to be a good Foreign Secretary for 6-12 months.... Also stealing the headlines off Suella Braverman helps. 😉
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Post by oldie on Nov 16, 2023 8:51:17 GMT
I think maybe you don't understand what any UK Foreign Secretary spends most of their time doing....he won't be meeting Russia nor trying to broker any kind of peace deal - as UK Foreign Secretary he will be making sure all of our allies and other friendly countries are all on the same page supporting Ukraine and against Russia. He will be making sure as many countries as possible are placing as many sanctions as practical on Russia to try to force them to come and start negotiating peace. Same with Israel/Hamas/Hezbollah. Whilst diplomacy there is currently much more active, again no one is expecting him to broker a ceasefire - but he knows lots of the people involved and has relationships with other leaders in the area - he will walk into a room and people will know who he is and will listen to what he says because of who he is and what he has done... ...I don't understand the argument that it's about UK politics - the Conservatives will lose the next election by 100+ seats no matter what they do in the next 12 months - and anything Cameron does inside the party right now will continue to widen splits between the different factions - he knows that, Sunak knows that and most other people in the party know that. I stand by my initial claim, the only reason he would want to come back and the only reason Sunak would want him back is to be a good Foreign Secretary for 6-12 months.... Also stealing the headlines off Suella Braverman helps. 😉 Oi, cynic. 😂
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Post by oldie on Nov 16, 2023 9:05:17 GMT
I don't agree on Cameron. On the Ukraine issue that course is set. We support Ukraine in what will increasingly become a Proxy War with Russia, or abandon them and concede to Russia. Whether it is David Cameron representing us or Mickey Mouse will not add any value to that situation. On Israel and the Palestine issue, I do not believe Hezbollah (Iran), HAMAS or the Israelis give two hoots what we think. Whether our thoughts are represented by Cameron or the internal wranglings of the Labour Party. It's cloud cuckoo land to think otherwise. Cameron was appointed to appeal to the centre ground of Tory support and nothing else. What is hilarious is that an entitled Bullingdon Club member, one who led a government which decimated our public services, led a disastrous military intervention in Libya, who enriched himself in a potentially fraudulent and now bankrupt company, could be considered as a "good" appointment. On that basis Ghengis Khan should be Defence Secretary. He is dead I hear you say? But most of the cabinet are "brain dead" I think maybe you don't understand what any UK Foreign Secretary spends most of their time doing....he won't be meeting Russia nor trying to broker any kind of peace deal - as UK Foreign Secretary he will be making sure all of our allies and other friendly countries are all on the same page supporting Ukraine and against Russia. He will be making sure as many countries as possible are placing as many sanctions as practical on Russia to try to force them to come and start negotiating peace. Same with Israel/Hamas/Hezbollah. Whilst diplomacy there is currently much more active, again no one is expecting him to broker a ceasefire - but he knows lots of the people involved and has relationships with other leaders in the area - he will walk into a room and people will know who he is and will listen to what he says because of who he is and what he has done... ...I don't understand the argument that it's about UK politics - the Conservatives will lose the next election by 100+ seats no matter what they do in the next 12 months - and anything Cameron does inside the party right now will continue to widen splits between the different factions - he knows that, Sunak knows that and most other people in the party know that. I stand by my initial claim, the only reason he would want to come back and the only reason Sunak would want him back is to be a good Foreign Secretary for 6-12 months.... Just because you say it is so, does not make it so. You provided no references to justify those statements. But this did make me laugh (sorry) "I think maybe you don't understand what any UK Foreign Secretary spends most of their time doing....he won't be meeting Russia nor trying to broker any kind of peace deal - as UK Foreign Secretary he will be making sure all of our allies and other friendly countries are all on the same page supporting Ukraine and against Russia. He will be making sure as many countries as possible are placing as many sanctions as practical on Russia to try to force them to come and start negotiating peace." How exactly does our Foreign Secretary MAKE SURE ALLIES AND COUNTRIES ARE ON THE SAME PAGE"? This typical overblown nationalist bs is rampant in the Tory Party. As for making sure sanctions are placed and enforced the UK has probably the weakest moral case of all for arguing that, London being the world's largest laundromat for dirty money, ever. Now, layer on top of that an incompetent government, one that just a year ago unravelled the Bond Markets, one who inflicted the Buffoon Johnson on the European stage (the Americans just laughed at us). Now Cameron. Another clown. Sunak so desperate he has to appoint circus acts on the basis (as you super contend) that they are "known". Really.
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