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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 31, 2021 15:26:28 GMT
No it isn't. Out of the 80%, there were a whole host of different backgrounds, Caribbean, Nigerian, Somalian, Indian, Pakistani, Chinese etc, plus Mixed Race pupils as well. Of the 20% that were 'White', again there were Polish, Albanian and others. The school was slap bang in Montpellier and the majority of pupils came from St Pauls, St Werburghs and Easton. The kids from Caribbean backgrounds statiscally were the ones getting expelled, suspended and the ones getting into the most trouble. Again, nothing to do with race, more to do with 'Culture'. Ah apologies, as per Oldies post I misunderstood the demographics and the point you were making. I think culture definitely plays a part, as does where you’re from. Where I went to school, the very few African-Caribbean were the best behaved. But tiny samples were using as examples for the entire country. It would certainly tie in with my own school experience in the 80s/ early 90s. Very mixed school (St George), fewer than 10% of the top classes were non white and 6th Form was exclusively white in my year. Mind you, the most disruptive kids were white as were most of the bottom class. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 15:28:37 GMT
So the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report has found that concerns the UK is institutionally racist are not borne out by the evidence. Also "The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, set up after Black Lives Matter protests, found social class and family structure had a bigger impact on how people's lives turned out." Surprise, surprise. As ever, facts and evidence will quash victimhood and false narratives. So, yes Racism exists, in all corners of the globe, unfortunately. But "Systemic" or "Institutional" racism in the UK, just like the US, is a modern day, myth. But of course, race sells so turning everything into a racial issue will create headlines and push people towards certain narratives. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-56585538So the report says racial discrimination is mainly an effect of class society. And you were one of those screaming that BLM is just a Marxist organisation? Tories are all over the place, making it up as they go pal. |
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Post by Gastafari on Mar 31, 2021 15:41:05 GMT
So the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report has found that concerns the UK is institutionally racist are not borne out by the evidence. Also "The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, set up after Black Lives Matter protests, found social class and family structure had a bigger impact on how people's lives turned out." Surprise, surprise. As ever, facts and evidence will quash victimhood and false narratives. So, yes Racism exists, in all corners of the globe, unfortunately. But "Systemic" or "Institutional" racism in the UK, just like the US, is a modern day, myth. But of course, race sells so turning everything into a racial issue will create headlines and push people towards certain narratives. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-56585538So the report says racial discrimination is mainly an effect of class society. And you were one of those screaming that BLM is just a Marxist organisation? Tories are all over the place, making it up as they go pal. Eh? BLM is ran by 3 openly 'Trained Marxists'(Not that I think you can be trained), so yeah, add to that the main things highlighted in their main manifesto, suggests it is. My main issue was that the whole thing when you delve deeper, was a complete sham, full stop, more than it being 'Marxist'. Whose a Tory? Certainly not me. Pal. |
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Post by Gastafari on Mar 31, 2021 17:21:35 GMT
Clearly the wrong type of BAME's. Must be that dreaded 'Institutional Racism' that has stopped them becoming Lords, Dr's, MBE's etc and from conducting the report. Certain posters on here have already stated that they refuse to listen to 'Minorities' just because they may not agree with every single, miniscule thing that they do. No real shock. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by oldie on Mar 31, 2021 19:34:49 GMT
Clearly the wrong type of BAME's. Must be that dreaded 'Institutional Racism' that has stopped them becoming Lords, Dr's, MBE's etc and from conducting the report. Certain posters on here have already stated that they refuse to listen to 'Minorities' just because they may not agree with every single, miniscule thing that they do. No real shock. View AttachmentLets read the full report. If the Tories actually release it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 20:57:39 GMT
Chauvin defense going with... "He did what he was trained to do."
Doesn't that make it worse for the police?
It's going to be a long 2 or 3 weeks.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 31, 2021 21:14:24 GMT
Chauvin defense going with... "He did what he was trained to do." Doesn't that make it worse for the police? It's going to be a long 2 or 3 weeks. Ffs he must have an IQ of less than 20 on that basis. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 31, 2021 21:25:12 GMT
Chauvin defense going with... "He did what he was trained to do." Doesn't that make it worse for the police? It's going to be a long 2 or 3 weeks. Ffs he must have an IQ of less than 20 on that basis. If it wasn't all so sad, I would be laughing at that comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 6:42:16 GMT
Probably the most liberal and obvious thing I could say but... His name Chauvin, how is it so perfect to sum up the moment? do you think he changed it by deed poll or just removed the -ist from the end?
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 1, 2021 7:54:36 GMT
Clearly the wrong type of BAME's. Must be that dreaded 'Institutional Racism' that has stopped them becoming Lords, Dr's, MBE's etc and from conducting the report. Certain posters on here have already stated that they refuse to listen to 'Minorities' just because they may not agree with every single, miniscule thing that they do. No real shock. View AttachmentLets read the full report. If the Tories actually release it. The report is readily available, all 258 pages of it www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-report-of-the-commission-on-race-and-ethnic-disparities |
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Post by oldie on Apr 1, 2021 8:04:27 GMT
Thanks for that. For some reason I thought it had been held back. |
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Post by blueridge on Apr 1, 2021 8:07:56 GMT
There is another report issued in November 2019 by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) which shows that the UK is the least racist country of the 12 Western European Countries surveyed - this report is just 16 pages long. I'm genuinely confused as this report shows we're going in the right direction and are ahead of our European neighbours in tackling racism fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdf |
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Post by trevorgas on Apr 1, 2021 8:44:57 GMT
I have not read the report,listened to the various bits on the news,just have a question. If and I really mean IF,the report is positive is that seen as a negative or does that depend on who you are and your life experiences? . |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 1, 2021 8:57:32 GMT
I find the report very balanced and nuanced.
It's very clear when it says
"we take the reality of racism seriously and we do not deny that it is a real force in the UK."
While going on to say
"We no longer see a Britain where the system is deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities."
While the "impediments and disparities do exist", it continued, they were "varied and ironically very few of them are directly to do with racism".
Also that the evidence had found factors such as geography, family influence, socio-economic background, culture and religion had "more significant impact on life chances than the existence of racism".
From what I've been hearing and reading is clearly people who haven't been bothered to read it or do the research into it, because they keep saying the reports a disgrace saying Racism doesnt exist. The report actually says the complete opposite you morons.
All it says is that there is no evidence to suggest that the myth of 'Systemic Racism' is a major factor, and simply that the evidence actually suggests that Geography, Family influence, Socio-economics, culture and religion are the major factors rather than race.
It's just common sense.
The Black & Asian people conducting the report who are Lords, Dr's, Scientists, Professors etc are clearly the wrong sort of 'Minorities' to conduct the report though, eh!
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Post by Gassy on Apr 1, 2021 9:32:20 GMT
There is another report issued in November 2019 by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) which shows that the UK is the least racist country of the 12 Western European Countries surveyed - this report is just 16 pages long. I'm genuinely confused as this report shows we're going in the right direction and are ahead of our European neighbours in tackling racism fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdfWhy are you confused? I don’t think anyone was arguing that we’re not going in the right direction or are more racist than our European neighbours? The point is that whilst we’re going in the right direction - more can be done, faster and better. |
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Post by blueridge on Apr 1, 2021 10:08:30 GMT
There is another report issued in November 2019 by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) which shows that the UK is the least racist country of the 12 Western European Countries surveyed - this report is just 16 pages long. I'm genuinely confused as this report shows we're going in the right direction and are ahead of our European neighbours in tackling racism fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdfWhy are you confused? I don’t think anyone was arguing that we’re not going in the right direction or are more racist than our European neighbours? The point is that whilst we’re going in the right direction - more can be done, faster and better. Some are arguing, calling the report a white wash - can it be more damning than that? That’s why I’m confused. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 1, 2021 10:55:24 GMT
There is another report issued in November 2019 by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) which shows that the UK is the least racist country of the 12 Western European Countries surveyed - this report is just 16 pages long. I'm genuinely confused as this report shows we're going in the right direction and are ahead of our European neighbours in tackling racism fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdfWhy are you confused? I don’t think anyone was arguing that we’re not going in the right direction or are more racist than our European neighbours? The point is that whilst we’re going in the right direction - more can be done, faster and better. The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report has said that. Racism exists - Check. We all know that. The UK is not yet a "post-racial country" - Check. We all know that. Nowhere on Earth is, if somebody could enlighten me to the Utopia where any form of discrimination whether it's racial, xenophobic, Religious or anything else doesn't exit, i'd love to know. It's the 'Systemic' or 'Institutional' racism agenda that is the main issue, evidence suggests before this report and now that it has little creedence. Facts and evidence will always quash feelings. Fact's dont lie. Of course some people will never accept facts and evidence. Instead Facts and evidence must be racist. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 1, 2021 11:50:17 GMT
Why are you confused? I don’t think anyone was arguing that we’re not going in the right direction or are more racist than our European neighbours? The point is that whilst we’re going in the right direction - more can be done, faster and better. The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report has said that. Racism exists - Check. We all know that. The UK is not yet a "post-racial country" - Check. We all know that. Nowhere on Earth is, if somebody could enlighten me to the Utopia where any form of discrimination whether it's racial, xenophobic, Religious or anything else doesn't exit, i'd love to know. It's the 'Systemic' or 'Institutional' racism agenda that is the main issue, evidence suggests before this report and now that it has little creedence. Facts and evidence will always quash feelings. Fact's dont lie. Of course some people will never accept facts and evidence. Instead Facts and evidence must be racist. Yeah, you’ve said this a few times now. We read it the first time, but thanks for repeating. I’m not sure how what you’ve said has any relevance to what I was asking blueridge.. I haven’t read the report/highlights yet, but as I said earlier (which you conveniently ignored) who’s report do we believe? The internal Tory report says there is no institutional racism across the entire UK. The NHS did a report on institutional racism and found evidence of it. Who’s correct? Let’s just take a look at the internal investigations this week: racism? All good. Policing at vigil? All good. Jennifer Arcuri getting public money? All good. Cameron’s lobbying? All good. Funny that. From what I’ve read on the thread that I agree with is that UK institutions are no longer deliberately set up to be racist. But what makes an institution racist? If senior leadership at a firm are not promoting/employing candidates because of their last names being of African heritage, is that institutional racism or individual racism? |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 1, 2021 13:11:42 GMT
The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report has said that. Racism exists - Check. We all know that. The UK is not yet a "post-racial country" - Check. We all know that. Nowhere on Earth is, if somebody could enlighten me to the Utopia where any form of discrimination whether it's racial, xenophobic, Religious or anything else doesn't exit, i'd love to know. It's the 'Systemic' or 'Institutional' racism agenda that is the main issue, evidence suggests before this report and now that it has little creedence. Facts and evidence will always quash feelings. Fact's dont lie. Of course some people will never accept facts and evidence. Instead Facts and evidence must be racist. Yeah, you’ve said this a few times now. We read it the first time, but thanks for repeating. I’m not sure how what you’ve said has any relevance to what I was asking blueridge.. I haven’t read the report/highlights yet, but as I said earlier (which you conveniently ignored) who’s report do we believe? The internal Tory report says there is no institutional racism across the entire UK. The NHS did a report on institutional racism and found evidence of it. Who’s correct? Let’s just take a look at the internal investigations this week: racism? All good. Policing at vigil? All good. Jennifer Arcuri getting public money? All good. Cameron’s lobbying? All good. Funny that. From what I’ve read on the thread that I agree with is that UK institutions are no longer deliberately set up to be racist. But what makes an institution racist? If senior leadership at a firm are not promoting/employing candidates because of their last names being of African heritage, is that institutional racism or individual racism? What have I conveniently ignored? You didn't ask me a direct question regarding it. If you would of, I would of replied directly to you, which history suggests I always do. Did the NHS find evidence of 'Institutional racism'? Or was it actually singular incidents across multiple hospitals throughout the country? Single incidents of racism does not equate to 'Institutional racism'. A lot of headlines over the last 12 months have been that Doctors, Nurses and other NHS staff from certain ethnic minorities are 3 times more likeky to die from Covid. Yes, unfortunately it seems the case that specific demographics are disproportionately likely to die from Covid, again there will be a variety of reasons for that. It could have something to do with underlying health conditions in those communities; or type of jobs members of that community disproportionately perform(i.e Drs and Nurses and other NHS staff) or with their household arrangements and social habits. The same applies to the evidence/statistics of the demographics we've already gone through, i.e Carribean backgrounds as a 'group' perform less well in regards to education, as a group they're also the highest when it comes to % of living in Single parent households which is over 60%. Compared to Chinese at 20% and Indian less than 10%, who not coincidently are also higher in median income tables, further education tables etc, etc. Also lower than other Black demographics, i.e African. Which again goes back to culture and background. Which suggests it has very little to do with race. If you only have one agenda, and that agenda is always “institutional racism” and say it enough then people will bang that drum, and at the same time refuse to acknowledge the evidence staring them in the face and just see what they want to see. If you have already decided on the explanation for the problem, any attempt at sensible analysis is impossible. Which we've seen over the last 24 hours. I couldn't care less about David Camerons lobbying, or the other guff regarding vigils and the Kill The Bill protests etc, hence why I rarely comment on them. This issue, is something I'm interested in, hence why I tend to delve deeper into facts and evidence, rather than false narratives. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 13:15:14 GMT
The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report has said that. Racism exists - Check. We all know that. The UK is not yet a "post-racial country" - Check. We all know that. Nowhere on Earth is, if somebody could enlighten me to the Utopia where any form of discrimination whether it's racial, xenophobic, Religious or anything else doesn't exit, i'd love to know. It's the 'Systemic' or 'Institutional' racism agenda that is the main issue, evidence suggests before this report and now that it has little creedence. Facts and evidence will always quash feelings. Fact's dont lie. Of course some people will never accept facts and evidence. Instead Facts and evidence must be racist. Yeah, you’ve said this a few times now. We read it the first time, but thanks for repeating. I’m not sure how what you’ve said has any relevance to what I was asking blueridge.. I haven’t read the report/highlights yet, but as I said earlier (which you conveniently ignored) who’s report do we believe? The internal Tory report says there is no institutional racism across the entire UK. The NHS did a report on institutional racism and found evidence of it. Who’s correct? Let’s just take a look at the internal investigations this week: racism? All good. Policing at vigil? All good. Jennifer Arcuri getting public money? All good. Cameron’s lobbying? All good. Funny that. From what I’ve read on the thread that I agree with is that UK institutions are no longer deliberately set up to be racist. But what makes an institution racist? If senior leadership at a firm are not promoting/employing candidates because of their last names being of African heritage, is that institutional racism or individual racism? You could give him the winning lottery numbers and he'd still say they were wrong. |
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