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Post by stokegiffordgas on Jan 31, 2015 17:37:10 GMT
I know we don't like to mention it because it makes us sound like billy big balls and the red side like to extract the michael BUT truth is home and away especially in this (our first) season we are the big match for most teams in this division. They clearly raise their game when playing us as e.g. today if Dartford play like that each week they would not be where they are. Not using that as an acceptable excuse, no more than the crap pitch today, but truth is its another factor we have to deal with which none of our promotion rivals have to worry about. Perhaps it's another reason why teams that drop from league 2 rarely go straight back up the next season?
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Post by newmarketgas on Jan 31, 2015 17:41:10 GMT
It certainly does not help. I guess we should be good enough to rise above it but it is a factor against us.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 31, 2015 18:48:43 GMT
it's something I have struggled with when doing my analysis, as I too don't want to be accused of all the bertie big bollocks stuff, but ultimately have to come to a similar conclusion to you. Teams sometimes do buck the trend of their usual results when they play us. There must be a reason for it.
It also though shows we are mediocre.
a truly excellent team would win more of these games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 18:52:07 GMT
The fact that we also have a undefeated run of however many games, doesn't help.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2015 19:35:24 GMT
it's something I have struggled with when doing my analysis, as I too don't want to be accused of all the bertie big bollocks stuff, but ultimately have to come to a similar conclusion to you. Teams sometimes do buck the trend of their usual results when they play us. There must be a reason for it. It also though shows we are mediocre. a truly excellent team would win more of these games. We're just a good team who started off poorly whereas Barnet started off like a train. But who would have not taken 2nd place now at the start of the season particularly after the 2 away defeats? It's just irritating we couldn't hold out for 3 pts today, if we had all the talk tonight would have been about our promotion race being back on course. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 31, 2015 22:34:51 GMT
I know we don't like to mention it because it makes us sound like billy big balls and the red side like to extract the michael BUT truth is home and away especially in this (our first) season we are the big match for most teams in this division. They clearly raise their game when playing us as e.g. today if Dartford play like that each week they would not be where they are. Not using that as an acceptable excuse, no more than the crap pitch today, but truth is its another factor we have to deal with which none of our promotion rivals have to worry about. Perhaps it's another reason why teams that drop from league 2 rarely go straight back up the next season? I think you're spot on there. We (and all the other "big" names like Luton and Grimsby) drop into the Conference, cut our wage budget, ditch or lose the big-earning names, and reform with some lesser-known players we hope will be competitive at this level. But to the minnows we now have to face, we and Luton are still Berty Big-B*ll*cks with 1,000 away supporters. They see this, raise their game and every match becomes more difficult than it ought to be. So all in all, we're doing very well this season, but every game is going to be harder to win than we might have hoped. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 23:34:17 GMT
Sorry don't buy into this,been to most away games and the vast majority the opposition have been poor,if we match there effort we don't look like losing but our offensive play has been crap,nothing to do with anyone raising there game
Infact teams have been the same as at home
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Post by buckrippers on Jan 31, 2015 23:44:39 GMT
Totally agree with Meader on this one, at least where Dartford game was concerned. They looked scared to death of us for first 15 minutes. Then we scored and I thought it would be plain sailing but we conceded a set piece goal too soon afterwards and that enabled them to raise their game. After that, I'm sorry but I felt DC got his tactics wrong. That was not a pitch where you should be trying to play the ball around, particularly passing your way out of defence. In the past Rovers have shown no qualms about playing hoofball, and with the cloying mud and Blissett up front that is exactly what we should have been doing. Instead it was tippy tappy and when DC bought Blissett off our defenders struggled for options and it nearly cost us. To be fair throughout the whole game we created very little, and this seems to be a recurring theme, particularly away from home.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 1, 2015 9:08:06 GMT
The only way we were going to get consistent attacks going on that pitch was to play down the wings but until Dawson came on we had no definite winger on the pitch. Too often our moves broke down or got slowed down (bogged down) in the middle of the pitch where neither Mansell or Lockyer create anything. We need a creative midfielder or we need to give Monkhouse or Balanta a chance to play in there-people who can pass the ball.
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Post by You can call me Al. on Feb 1, 2015 10:46:51 GMT
Darrell, i'll see you and the lads tomorrow, i'm bloody annoyed and will have harsh words for you all. Get back to work, train even sodding harder and the remit remains the same - Catch sodding Barnet..End of.
Now, some of our supporters - Can we cut the cr@p please. Who the hell do we think we are?
It's getting bloody embarrassing now, some of you sound like little bloody girls in the playground "Everyone tries harder against us", "the pitch is horrible", "we've got more fans than anyone else and deserve better", bla,bla sodding bla. And the old chestnut lately "City keep talking about us" we say with four bloody threads started about them in a week. Christ it's humiliating to listen to and read...
Let's get this straight...
"Everyone tries harder against us" - TOUGH Get on with it and stop bleeting.
"the pitch is horrible" Yeah, well don't get relegated to non poxy league then if you don't like it.
"we've got more fans than anyone else and deserve better" Grow up for christs sake, do you really want a list of teams who've got more than us
"City keep talking about us" We bloody talk about them just as much is the truth, and make no mistake if we were sat in League One with a Stadium being rebuilt and plenty of dosh in the pot and our neighbours had just been relegated to non-league we'd be Widdleing ourselves daily and have a thread twice as long as there's.
Now, Man up, and stop playing the hard bloody done by.
Come On Rovers...DO IT!
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Post by socrates on Feb 1, 2015 12:32:53 GMT
it's something I have struggled with when doing my analysis, as I too don't want to be accused of all the bertie big bollocks stuff, but ultimately have to come to a similar conclusion to you. Teams sometimes do buck the trend of their usual results when they play us. There must be a reason for it. It also though shows we are mediocre. a truly excellent team would win more of these games. We're not mediocre for this division though are we ? We're the second best in this division up to this stage. The league table doesn't lie. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2015 12:41:52 GMT
The only way we were going to get consistent attacks going on that pitch was to play down the wings but until Dawson came on we had no definite winger on the pitch. Too often our moves broke down or got slowed down (bogged down) in the middle of the pitch where neither Mansell or Lockyer create anything. We need a creative midfielder or we need to give Monkhouse or Balanta a chance to play in there-people who can pass the ball. Given it seems the Dartford right winger caused us problems (how can a p/t afford a decent winger but we get inconsistent Gosling as our only option ?) the wings did seem the best option, that being the case having a creative midfielder shouldn't have made a great deal of difference yesterday? Since we signed Blisset we seemed to have, oddly, moved away from the hoof ball where surely he'd be most effective? |
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Feb 1, 2015 14:41:14 GMT
Lord sugar, as always not wrong, but nick & karen would point out its not referred to as an excuse in the op, more a competitive disadvantage. Yes one that we have to deal with and get on with but something that our rivals don't have to contend with. Saw on their forum several references to that was the best they had played all season and have read that before after other less the perfect away performances/results.
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Post by mjhgas on Feb 1, 2015 15:19:04 GMT
So, rubbish opposition raise their game for their cup final - begging the question why can't eleven better players raise their game?
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Feb 1, 2015 16:02:13 GMT
The same reason Chelsea lost to Bradford and man u couldn't win at Cambridge
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Post by buckrippers on Feb 1, 2015 16:20:10 GMT
Don't teams raise their game for relative derbies too? Like Dartford did when they went to Dover? Oh, hang on...
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Feb 1, 2015 16:41:03 GMT
You would think but in the scheme of things how much better are dover than dartford?
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