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Post by yattongas on Nov 2, 2024 11:29:43 GMT
The difference is Reeves is investing that money in the nhs , schools , wages . Your mate wanted to give tax cuts to the already rich . There’s a fundamental difference. keep up old boy 🙄 You do make me laugh sometimes. Reeves doesn't have that money yet and that's the real risk. Like Blair/Brown in the early 2000s with PFI, and like Brown/Darling during and after the GFC they are busy spending money they don't have. They might get it from the tax increases but even the OBR isn't confident they will which is why she changed the rules on what she can borrow to allow her to borrow more. With a starting point of the highest tax burden in UK history, even the most ardent socialist must wonder if it's a good idea to raise it so much more, and fundamentally that's a massive risk. Chances are it will not raise what she predicts, borrowing it already costs more and the economy drags - a cycle that is very hard to break out of without spending cuts and that's clearly not on the table at all... I’m here to entertain 🤪 I’ll watch your predictions with interest, but let’s be fair your record so far isn’t up to much . |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 2, 2024 11:38:00 GMT
Go Kemi! So the Tories have had 4 female leaders (including now a black leader), three female Prime Ministers (possibly a fourth) as well as an Asian Leader/ Prime Minister whilst Labour...... Well they do have the first female Chancellor which they are all so very proud of and how did that go? Tin hat on.😎👍 Where is she going exactly? |
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Post by francegas on Nov 2, 2024 11:42:01 GMT
Go Kemi! So the Tories have had 4 female leaders (including now a black leader), three female Prime Ministers (possibly a fourth) as well as an Asian Leader/ Prime Minister whilst Labour...... Well they do have the first female Chancellor which they are all so very proud of and how did that go? Tin hat on.😎👍 Where is she going exactly? Hopefully into Number 10 Downing Street for starters (OK there's over 4 years to go for that to happen). Maybe I should have said "Well done Kemi" |
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Post by supergas on Nov 2, 2024 11:42:34 GMT
Didn't Truss do away with the OBR requirements, too? Yep. There was an OBR forecast on the economy (that wasn't immediately published and when it was - like most OBR forecasts - turned out to be far too pessimistic). They didn't ignore borrowing requirements - their internal forecasts said the growth would lift tax revenues enough to cover the proposed borrowing |
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Post by supergas on Nov 2, 2024 11:50:57 GMT
I’m here to entertain 🤪 I’ll watch your predictions with interest, but let’s be fair your record so far isn’t up to much . Did well on this one... Come on the supergas …..where’s your money going ? If Badenoch makes the final two she will probably win the vote from the party members. Overall it's already taking far too long and giving Starmer too much time to make too many unchallenged mistakes. If the rumours of Cameron supporting Cleverly are true that might move it in an interesting direction but the biggest problem is that all the contenders seem to think Starmer and not Farage is their biggest problem.... |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 2, 2024 12:55:38 GMT
I’m here to entertain 🤪 I’ll watch your predictions with interest, but let’s be fair your record so far isn’t up to much . Did well on this one... If Badenoch makes the final two she will probably win the vote from the party members. Overall it's already taking far too long and giving Starmer too much time to make too many unchallenged mistakes. If the rumours of Cameron supporting Cleverly are true that might move it in an interesting direction but the biggest problem is that all the contenders seem to think Starmer and not Farage is their biggest problem.... Yeah and I think Man City might win the prem 🙄😂 |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 2, 2024 13:01:15 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2024 9:59:01 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2024 10:01:26 GMT
I see Cleverly has gone to the backbenches, maybe he has decided to keep out of the way before expecting a vacancy sometime before 2030. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 4, 2024 10:56:56 GMT
The level of borrowing is a concern,looking at the data I don't think the the tax changes will be sufficient and they are taking a bet on economic growth,I can see further increases in future budgets. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2024 11:53:39 GMT
The level of borrowing is a concern,looking at the data I don't think the the tax changes will be sufficient and they are taking a bet on economic growth,I can see further increases in future budgets. I'm under no illusion taxes will increase again before the next election. A lot will depend on confidence in the economy and confidence in the government. So far Reeves seems to be doing okay in that respect and a rate cut will also help. Whether that survives the inevitable fluctuations we'll see. In terms of the economy, the immediate cash boost will help, after Year 2 is where the normal growth comes into play and that is predicted to be pretty nominal. I do wonder what Starmer et al really have planned for the EU 'reset', as that will dovetail into Year 3 on current plans. How much can we really leverage with Youth movement and security parts? |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 4, 2024 12:07:30 GMT
The level of borrowing is a concern,looking at the data I don't think the the tax changes will be sufficient and they are taking a bet on economic growth,I can see further increases in future budgets. Yep , it was a Brexit tax . |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2024 12:56:11 GMT
Thought Starmer's speech at the Interpol gathering today was decent, certainly pragmatic and still retained a barbed comment to some.
Nice to see he reiterated our intention not to withdraw from the ECHR. Certain politicians trying to create a bogeyman for our own incompetence. Sounds familiar. 🤔
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Post by seanclevedongas on Nov 4, 2024 13:25:50 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2024 14:51:10 GMT
First link, if you read the primary source rather than through the optics of a biased report, states he was appointed before the incident. Second link, Dawn Butler has since removed her retweet. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 4, 2024 14:54:13 GMT
First link, if you read the primary source rather than through the optics of a biased report, states he was appointed before the incident. Second link, Dawn Butler has since removed her retweet. Was just going to post the same….. then thought to myself what’s the point and didn’t bother 🙄😂 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2024 15:58:58 GMT
First link, if you read the primary source rather than through the optics of a biased report, states he was appointed before the incident. Second link, Dawn Butler has since removed her retweet. Was just going to post the same….. then thought to myself what’s the point and didn’t bother 🙄😂 Always check the primary source and don't rely on someone else's filter. If anything it's worth pointing out so the casual observer, like France, doesn't get the wrong impression. Talking of France, have you scared him off? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 4, 2024 16:08:10 GMT
Does James Dyson really own farmland? Asking for a friend.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 4, 2024 16:21:50 GMT
Was just going to post the same….. then thought to myself what’s the point and didn’t bother 🙄😂 Always check the primary source and don't rely on someone else's filter. If anything it's worth pointing out so the casual observer, like France, doesn't get the wrong impression. Talking of France, have you scared him off? Nope , we’re best mates again . He admitted to me that the Tories just had to go and Starmer and a labour government was what the country needed at this point in time. isn’t that right francegas ? |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 4, 2024 16:35:09 GMT
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