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Post by yattongas on Nov 3, 2023 12:09:02 GMT
A genuine question. Not trying to stir up a Hornets nest. Here in France they have started the annual flu jabs, which my wife and I have each year. I'm just wondering about covid booster jabs (ideally not at the same time). We had the covid vaccines plus one booster. (Obligatory at the time in France even to have a coffee sat outside). My question is what is the general opinion in the UK about having covid boosters. You don't hear about covid on the news any more, no statistics are published, has it mutated into a common cold ? I'm certainly not anti vax but on the other hand don't want to take an unnecessary vaccine. Travelled earlier this year for 9 weeks in NZ and Oz involving 10 flights with no problems and will be spending a month in Cambodia early next year. Not asking what you have done as that's personal to you just what is going on in the UK concerning covid boosters so I can decide whether to continue again with boosters. I can't speak for the UK but here in Western Australia we had some of the strictest border and vaccine controls during the latter part of the pandemic and now....well, nothing. For the second year of the pandemic you had to be vaccinated and then keep up-to-date with your boosters to work in any customer-facing job, or enter the state from abroad or anywhere else in Australia. But now there are no restrictions. People get covid, do a test, stay home whilst they get better and then carry on as normal - it is just like a bad cold or flu... It’s obviously not just like a cold or flu if you’re of a certain age 🙄 |
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Post by supergas on Nov 3, 2023 12:28:13 GMT
I can't speak for the UK but here in Western Australia we had some of the strictest border and vaccine controls during the latter part of the pandemic and now....well, nothing. For the second year of the pandemic you had to be vaccinated and then keep up-to-date with your boosters to work in any customer-facing job, or enter the state from abroad or anywhere else in Australia. But now there are no restrictions. People get covid, do a test, stay home whilst they get better and then carry on as normal - it is just like a bad cold or flu... It’s obviously not just like a cold or flu if you’re of a certain age 🙄 ...well done for reaching the point I was making. There is no need to stop most people doing anything they would normally do, but those at higher risk should take precautions, including vaccinations and being careful in public spaces/group enviroments. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 3, 2023 12:48:11 GMT
I can't speak for the UK but here in Western Australia we had some of the strictest border and vaccine controls during the latter part of the pandemic and now....well, nothing. For the second year of the pandemic you had to be vaccinated and then keep up-to-date with your boosters to work in any customer-facing job, or enter the state from abroad or anywhere else in Australia. But now there are no restrictions. People get covid, do a test, stay home whilst they get better and then carry on as normal - it is just like a bad cold or flu... It’s obviously not just like a cold or flu if you’re of a certain age 🙄 All three of us have been sent invites for a booster,my other half isn't going to have it,I will and son of undecided . I thought the latest data shows more people dying of flu,might be wrong can't recall where I read it. |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 3, 2023 12:57:56 GMT
Had my Covid jab a few weeks ago after catching Covid a year ago brought back my childhood Asthma.
As a virus it's definitely worse than the cold/flu IMO.
It all depends on how at risk you are really. For me, I take flu every year just so I don't get ill and can go about my daily life if I catch it. Same with Covid for me.
I was also pretty bad when I had Covid and I never want to go through that again.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 3, 2023 14:11:01 GMT
It’s obviously not just like a cold or flu if you’re of a certain age 🙄 ...well done for reaching the point I was making. There is no need to stop most people doing anything they would normally do, but those at higher risk should take precautions, including vaccinations and being careful in public spaces/group enviroments. My bad , I just scan read your reply and only took in the last line. Good of you to be your normal condescending self though in reply 😀👍 |
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Post by supergas on Nov 4, 2023 2:05:35 GMT
...well done for reaching the point I was making. There is no need to stop most people doing anything they would normally do, but those at higher risk should take precautions, including vaccinations and being careful in public spaces/group enviroments. My bad , I just scan read your reply and only took in the last line. Good of you to be your normal condescending self though in reply 😀👍 ...is this a regular thing (only reading/replying to the last line)? If so that does explain why many of your posts bear little or no relation to the points being made.... |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 4, 2023 5:22:54 GMT
My bad , I just scan read your reply and only took in the last line. Good of you to be your normal condescending self though in reply 😀👍 ...is this a regular thing (only reading/replying to the last line)? If so that does explain why many of your posts bear little or no relation to the points being made.... I’d go 4-4-2 again 👍 |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 5, 2023 9:11:21 GMT
🤷♂️ banter eh. Cancer is a joke now too, ok. Nope , but you posting that people might well get cancer from taking the jab is beyond a joke . Cretinous and bloody dangerous. You should be ashamed….. but you won’t be 🙄 I did not say this btw. It's you who should be ashamed for making things up. I don't even believe this so I'm not sure why you are twisting words? My point was that there's been a resurgence in cancers including a wave of 'turbo cancers'(according to some commentators). Why this is happening, is the debate. Carry on. |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 5, 2023 9:21:16 GMT
Nope , but you posting that people might well get cancer from taking the jab is beyond a joke . Cretinous and bloody dangerous. You should be ashamed….. but you won’t be 🙄 I did not say this btw. It's you who should be ashamed for making things up. I don't even believe this so I'm not sure why you are twisting words? My point was that there's been a resurgence in cancers including a wave of 'turbo cancers'(according to some commentators). Why this is happening, is the debate. Carry on. Are you sure about that?  |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 5, 2023 9:40:15 GMT
I did not say this btw. It's you who should be ashamed for making things up. I don't even believe this so I'm not sure why you are twisting words? My point was that there's been a resurgence in cancers including a wave of 'turbo cancers'(according to some commentators). Why this is happening, is the debate. Carry on. Are you sure about that? Skewered . How embarrassing, being showed up like that. Almost as embarrassing as writing it in the first place , then claiming he didn’t write it. crack on 🙄 |
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2023 9:54:29 GMT
Are you sure about that? Skewered . How embarrassing, being showed up like that. Almost as embarrassing as writing it in the first place , then claiming he didn’t write it. crack on 🙄 These claims by GH79, is there any evidence whatsoever? |
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Post by supergas on Nov 5, 2023 10:35:00 GMT
We know from the nuclear bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki that cancer due to the most powerful carcinogen of all (a large dose of ionizing radiation) takes at least two years to begin showing up in the fastest form (leukemias), while most other cancers don’t show up for around 10 years.
Vaccines were introduced to the general population less than three years ago - even if the vaccines were as powerful as being exposed to a nuclear bomb going off, it would be only now that we might be beginning to see the start of a cancer signal for leukemias, and nowhere near close to any other form of cancer...
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Post by Gassy on Nov 5, 2023 12:54:10 GMT
Skewered . How embarrassing, being showed up like that. Almost as embarrassing as writing it in the first place , then claiming he didn’t write it. crack on 🙄 These claims by GH79, is there any evidence whatsoever? 🤣 That’s a proper call of Deja vu 🤣 |
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2023 15:52:40 GMT
We know from the nuclear bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki that cancer due to the most powerful carcinogen of all (a large dose of ionizing radiation) takes at least two years to begin showing up in the fastest form (leukemias), while most other cancers don’t show up for around 10 years. Vaccines were introduced to the general population less than three years ago - even if the vaccines were as powerful as being exposed to a nuclear bomb going off, it would be only now that we might be beginning to see the start of a cancer signal for leukemias, and nowhere near close to any other form of cancer... Why would these vaccines be more prone to causing cancer than any other vaccine? |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 5, 2023 16:27:17 GMT
I did not say this btw. It's you who should be ashamed for making things up. I don't even believe this so I'm not sure why you are twisting words? My point was that there's been a resurgence in cancers including a wave of 'turbo cancers'(according to some commentators). Why this is happening, is the debate. Carry on. Are you sure about that? Fair, I hold my hands up on how I have written that. Totally wrong and at odds with what I believe actually. Apologies all. My view/opinion is that the jabs are promoting a resurgence of cancer and other Ill health by affecting the body's natural immune response. NOT that the jabs are giving people cancer. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2023 18:04:50 GMT
Are you sure about that? Fair, I hold my hands up on how I have written that. Totally wrong and at odds with what I believe actually. Apologies all. My view/opinion is that the jabs are promoting a resurgence of cancer and other Ill health by affecting the body's natural immune response. NOT that the jabs are giving people cancer. Ah ok. Where is the data that supports a "resurgence of cancer" in the last two years? I would also be very interested in how you think the immune system is "affected" by introducing the genetic sequence of an antigen rather than the antigen being introduced through a dead virus. The outcome is identical, the body produces antibodies. I could be wrong, any scientists out there to correct me? |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 5, 2023 19:10:45 GMT
Are you sure about that? Fair, I hold my hands up on how I have written that. Totally wrong and at odds with what I believe actually. Apologies all. My view/opinion is that the jabs are promoting a resurgence of cancer and other Ill health by affecting the body's natural immune response. NOT that the jabs are giving people cancer. Thanks for admitting you were wrong 😉. Apology accepted 😀 |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 5, 2023 20:17:19 GMT
Are you sure about that? Fair, I hold my hands up on how I have written that. Totally wrong and at odds with what I believe actually. Apologies all. My view/opinion is that the jabs are promoting a resurgence of cancer and other Ill health by affecting the body's natural immune response. NOT that the jabs are giving people cancer. Fair enough mate to owning up. Although I’m not sure what the difference is? How/why would the jab specifically promote cancer? In my opinion I think there’s confusion between correlation and causation. Cancer diagnoses were obviously down in the past few years, this was stated as a problem during 2020 before vaccines were even in clinical trials. It’s unfortunately very natural that with the backlog of appointments, surgeries and awful running of the NHS by the government, that now things are catching up, we’re probably seeing a spike in cancer diagnoses and probably a lot of poor mortality post diagnosis, purely from that lack of previous diagnosis. Without looking at any stats, I’d probably guess it’s the same for most diseases tbh |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 6, 2023 7:16:29 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 6, 2023 7:31:40 GMT
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