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Post by yattongas on Nov 1, 2023 17:47:54 GMT
Covid enquiry telling us all what we already knew ( apart from a few Tory supporting loons ) . Johnson and his cronies were absolutely bloody useless , callous and inept. Shame it’s not getting more media attention. Methinks it would have been the same with any of the party's, politicians totally and unsurprisingly out of their depth dealing with a once in a century pandemic,no real surprise. Queue,the lawyers trying to to make money out of suing the government. Have a read of this…. inews.co.uk/opinion/helen-macnamaras-testimony-boris-johnsons-reputational-tombstone-2725999 |
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Post by oldie on Nov 1, 2023 18:03:48 GMT
I watched some of that today. If all true, what damming testimony of the quality of this government. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 1, 2023 20:55:52 GMT
I watched some of that today. If all true, what damming testimony of the quality of this government. Just a question,do you think in any major crisis of the last 100yrs the level of dysfunctional government would have been the same as today ,ie:, Suez etc. Does the advent of Social Media invasiveness make for better or worse government? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 1, 2023 21:09:50 GMT
I watched some of that today. If all true, what damming testimony of the quality of this government. Just a question,do you think in any major crisis of the last 100yrs the level of dysfunctional government would have been the same as today ,ie:, Suez etc. Does the advent of Social Media invasiveness make for better or worse government? No and probably negligible in terms of good governance. The advent of rolling 24 hour news has made a more detrimental impact on politics imo. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 1, 2023 21:23:02 GMT
I watched some of that today. If all true, what damming testimony of the quality of this government. Just a question,do you think in any major crisis of the last 100yrs the level of dysfunctional government would have been the same as today ,ie:, Suez etc. Does the advent of Social Media invasiveness make for better or worse government? I cannot be sure. But what I am convinced of is that Johnson was the most self serving and incompetent leader (I don't count Corbyn) of my lifetime. I may have vehemently disagreed with Thatcher, but at least she believed in something other than her own self serving interests. I cannot blame the media. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 1, 2023 21:45:34 GMT
Just a question,do you think in any major crisis of the last 100yrs the level of dysfunctional government would have been the same as today ,ie:, Suez etc. Does the advent of Social Media invasiveness make for better or worse government? I cannot be sure. But what I am convinced of is that Johnson was the most self serving and incompetent leader (I don't count Corbyn) of my lifetime. I may have vehemently disagreed with Thatcher, but at least she believed in something other than her own self serving interests. I cannot blame the media. Yep can't disagree,my concern is that the quality of future governments will be the same. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 2, 2023 11:49:35 GMT
Just a question,do you think in any major crisis of the last 100yrs the level of dysfunctional government would have been the same as today ,ie:, Suez etc. Does the advent of Social Media invasiveness make for better or worse government? I cannot be sure. But what I am convinced of is that Johnson was the most self serving and incompetent leader (I don't count Corbyn) of my lifetime. I may have vehemently disagreed with Thatcher, but at least she believed in something other than her own self serving interests. I cannot blame the media. Bit more objectivity and well reasoned answers from Simon Stevens after the self serving histrionics of some recent witnesses. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 2, 2023 12:01:21 GMT
I cannot be sure. But what I am convinced of is that Johnson was the most self serving and incompetent leader (I don't count Corbyn) of my lifetime. I may have vehemently disagreed with Thatcher, but at least she believed in something other than her own self serving interests. I cannot blame the media. Bit more objectivity and well reasoned answers from Simon Stevens after the self serving histrionics of some recent witnesses. He chooses his words well. But what was clear (to me) he had no interests in the politics nor office politics that we have learned was going on. He was just trying to manage a potential disaster within the realms of his direct responsibility. Unlike Cabinet Office Civil Servants, unelected employees at No10 and ultimately the elected charlatans. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 2, 2023 12:08:15 GMT
Bit more objectivity and well reasoned answers from Simon Stevens after the self serving histrionics of some recent witnesses. He chooses his words well. But what was clear (to me) he had no interests in the politics nor office politics that we have learned was going on. He was just trying to manage a potential disaster within the realms of his direct responsibility. Unlike Cabinet Office Civil Servants, unelected employees at No10 and ultimately the elected charlatans. Agreed ,want to hear the facts rather than the sh.te that comes out of Cummings mouth,never listened to a more self serving,foul mouthed individual in my life and I've been in some pretty stormy board meetings!! |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 2, 2023 12:13:06 GMT
He chooses his words well. But what was clear (to me) he had no interests in the politics nor office politics that we have learned was going on. He was just trying to manage a potential disaster within the realms of his direct responsibility. Unlike Cabinet Office Civil Servants, unelected employees at No10 and ultimately the elected charlatans. Agreed ,want to hear the facts rather than the sh.te that comes out of Cummings mouth,never listened to a more self serving,foul mouthed individual in my life and I've been in some pretty stormy board meetings!! You believed his Brexit crap 🙄😂 |
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Post by oldie on Nov 2, 2023 12:32:01 GMT
He chooses his words well. But what was clear (to me) he had no interests in the politics nor office politics that we have learned was going on. He was just trying to manage a potential disaster within the realms of his direct responsibility. Unlike Cabinet Office Civil Servants, unelected employees at No10 and ultimately the elected charlatans. Agreed ,want to hear the facts rather than the sh.te that comes out of Cummings mouth,never listened to a more self serving,foul mouthed individual in my life and I've been in some pretty stormy board meetings!! Ah...memories of that. Made me smile. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 2, 2023 12:37:48 GMT
Agreed ,want to hear the facts rather than the sh.te that comes out of Cummings mouth,never listened to a more self serving,foul mouthed individual in my life and I've been in some pretty stormy board meetings!! You believed his Brexit crap 🙄😂 Never really heard of him until COVID,didn't believe 80% of the rubbish on both sides 🙄🙄 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 2, 2023 13:17:50 GMT
You believed his Brexit crap 🙄😂 Never really heard of him until COVID,didn't believe 80% of the rubbish on both sides 🙄🙄 What about the other 20% of the rubbish? 😉 |
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Post by oldie on Nov 2, 2023 18:38:46 GMT
Never really heard of him until COVID,didn't believe 80% of the rubbish on both sides 🙄🙄 What about the other 20% of the rubbish? 😉 Made me laugh |
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Post by francegas on Nov 3, 2023 10:40:35 GMT
A genuine question. Not trying to stir up a Hornets nest.
Here in France they have started the annual flu jabs, which my wife and I have each year.
I'm just wondering about covid booster jabs (ideally not at the same time).
We had the covid vaccines plus one booster. (Obligatory at the time in France even to have a coffee sat outside).
My question is what is the general opinion in the UK about having covid boosters.
You don't hear about covid on the news any more, no statistics are published, has it mutated into a common cold ?
I'm certainly not anti vax but on the other hand don't want to take an unnecessary vaccine. Travelled earlier this year for 9 weeks in NZ and Oz involving 10 flights with no problems and will be spending a month in Cambodia early next year.
Not asking what you have done as that's personal to you just what is going on in the UK concerning covid boosters so I can decide whether to continue again with boosters.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 3, 2023 10:48:53 GMT
A genuine question. Not trying to stir up a Hornets nest. Here in France they have started the annual flu jabs, which my wife and I have each year. I'm just wondering about covid booster jabs (ideally not at the same time). We had the covid vaccines plus one booster. (Obligatory at the time in France even to have a coffee sat outside). My question is what is the general opinion in the UK about having covid boosters. You don't hear about covid on the news any more, no statistics are published, has it mutated into a common cold ? I'm certainly not anti vax but on the other hand don't want to take an unnecessary vaccine. Travelled earlier this year for 9 weeks in NZ and Oz involving 10 flights with no problems and will be spending a month in Cambodia early next year. Not asking what you have done as that's personal to you just what is going on in the UK concerning covid boosters so I can decide whether to continue again with boosters. We've all had boosters at the same time as the annual flu jab with no ill effects. It's probably become more selective and I know of some who did briefly feel a bit poorly afterwards. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 3, 2023 10:48:53 GMT
A genuine question. Not trying to stir up a Hornets nest. Here in France they have started the annual flu jabs, which my wife and I have each year. I'm just wondering about covid booster jabs (ideally not at the same time). We had the covid vaccines plus one booster. (Obligatory at the time in France even to have a coffee sat outside). My question is what is the general opinion in the UK about having covid boosters. You don't hear about covid on the news any more, no statistics are published, has it mutated into a common cold ? I'm certainly not anti vax but on the other hand don't want to take an unnecessary vaccine. Travelled earlier this year for 9 weeks in NZ and Oz involving 10 flights with no problems and will be spending a month in Cambodia early next year. Not asking what you have done as that's personal to you just what is going on in the UK concerning covid boosters so I can decide whether to continue again with boosters. I stand to be corrected but I *think* free covid boosters are only available for the over 70s in the uk . The rest of us have to pay something like £70-100 to have it done privately. I guess the nearer you are to that age the more you’re going to want the vaccine. At your age francegas (84) I’d be queuing up to get it ! 😀 Ps got any tips / ideas ( places to visit) for our next trip to France this coming summer? Still thinking about Annecy maybe for a week . We’ll be going for 17 days end of May beginning of June. Enjoyed your last recommendation of going over the Great St Bernard’s pass ….stunning 👍 ( going in Motorhome) |
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Post by oldie on Nov 3, 2023 12:02:41 GMT
A genuine question. Not trying to stir up a Hornets nest. Here in France they have started the annual flu jabs, which my wife and I have each year. I'm just wondering about covid booster jabs (ideally not at the same time). We had the covid vaccines plus one booster. (Obligatory at the time in France even to have a coffee sat outside). My question is what is the general opinion in the UK about having covid boosters. You don't hear about covid on the news any more, no statistics are published, has it mutated into a common cold ? I'm certainly not anti vax but on the other hand don't want to take an unnecessary vaccine. Travelled earlier this year for 9 weeks in NZ and Oz involving 10 flights with no problems and will be spending a month in Cambodia early next year. Not asking what you have done as that's personal to you just what is going on in the UK concerning covid boosters so I can decide whether to continue again with boosters. We've all had boosters at the same time as the annual flu jab with no ill effects. It's probably become more selective and I know of some who did briefly feel a bit poorly afterwards. COVID boosters are free for over 65 and vulnerable groups. I am in the "age" group so had my COVID booster and annual flu vaccine at the same appointment. A bit achy on day 2 but other than that nothing. In direct answer to your question everyone I know who is eligible took up the offer, I have not heard of any pushback. I suspect that unless the epidemiologists tell us there is a dangerous mutation this (COVID) will become a boring updated vaccine like flu every autumn. |
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Post by supergas on Nov 3, 2023 12:06:17 GMT
A genuine question. Not trying to stir up a Hornets nest. Here in France they have started the annual flu jabs, which my wife and I have each year. I'm just wondering about covid booster jabs (ideally not at the same time). We had the covid vaccines plus one booster. (Obligatory at the time in France even to have a coffee sat outside). My question is what is the general opinion in the UK about having covid boosters. You don't hear about covid on the news any more, no statistics are published, has it mutated into a common cold ? I'm certainly not anti vax but on the other hand don't want to take an unnecessary vaccine. Travelled earlier this year for 9 weeks in NZ and Oz involving 10 flights with no problems and will be spending a month in Cambodia early next year. Not asking what you have done as that's personal to you just what is going on in the UK concerning covid boosters so I can decide whether to continue again with boosters. I can't speak for the UK but here in Western Australia we had some of the strictest border and vaccine controls during the latter part of the pandemic and now....well, nothing. For the second year of the pandemic you had to be vaccinated and then keep up-to-date with your boosters to work in any customer-facing job, or enter the state from abroad or anywhere else in Australia. But now there are no restrictions. People get covid, do a test, stay home whilst they get better and then carry on as normal - it is just like a bad cold or flu... |
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Post by eric on Nov 3, 2023 12:08:15 GMT
A genuine question. Not trying to stir up a Hornets nest. Here in France they have started the annual flu jabs, which my wife and I have each year. I'm just wondering about covid booster jabs (ideally not at the same time). We had the covid vaccines plus one booster. (Obligatory at the time in France even to have a coffee sat outside). My question is what is the general opinion in the UK about having covid boosters. You don't hear about covid on the news any more, no statistics are published, has it mutated into a common cold ? I'm certainly not anti vax but on the other hand don't want to take an unnecessary vaccine. Travelled earlier this year for 9 weeks in NZ and Oz involving 10 flights with no problems and will be spending a month in Cambodia early next year. Not asking what you have done as that's personal to you just what is going on in the UK concerning covid boosters so I can decide whether to continue again with boosters. I’m still hanging on to my 40’s but qualified for the covid and flu jabs due to being immunosuppressed - had both on the same day (different arms! ) and no side effects whatsoever. |
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