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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 13, 2023 9:53:53 GMT
It was always going to be after the weekend in view of the Remembrance events. Did wonder if Sunak may have waited for the Rwanda court hearing and then blame her for its implementation. Not sure if any names have been circulating, could be a loyal appointment such as Shapps (again) or Dowden, or keeping party balance with Kemi Badenoch. Outside bet on Tom Tugendhat. If it's Shapps, Tugendhat could get Defence or promote James Heappey. With tax cut demand, could we see Hunt being moved too? Or will Sunak be planning for Opposition and look to anoint a possible successor? James Cleverly seems to be doing okay as Foreign Secretary so may stay in post? Interesting times. Edit: just seen Cleverly appointed so that's probably seen as a safe pair of hands, not looking to rock the boat. David Cameron getting a peerage and returning?
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 10:30:28 GMT
It was always going to be after the weekend in view of the Remembrance events. Did wonder if Sunak may have waited for the Rwanda court hearing and then blame her for its implementation. Not sure if any names have been circulating, could be a loyal appointment such as Shapps (again) or Dowden, or keeping party balance with Kemi Badenoch. Outside bet on Tom Tugendhat. If it's Shapps, Tugendhat could get Defence or promote James Heappey. With tax cut demand, could we see Hunt being moved too? Or will Sunak be planning for Opposition and look to anoint a possible successor? James Cleverly seems to be doing okay as Foreign Secretary so may stay in post? Interesting times. Edit: just seen Cleverly appointed so that's probably seen as a safe pair of hands, not looking to rock the boat. David Cameron getting a peerage and returning? Foreign secretary, the Brexit gammon are going to love that 😂🇬🇧! 🍿
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 13, 2023 10:38:02 GMT
It was always going to be after the weekend in view of the Remembrance events. Did wonder if Sunak may have waited for the Rwanda court hearing and then blame her for its implementation. Not sure if any names have been circulating, could be a loyal appointment such as Shapps (again) or Dowden, or keeping party balance with Kemi Badenoch. Outside bet on Tom Tugendhat. If it's Shapps, Tugendhat could get Defence or promote James Heappey. With tax cut demand, could we see Hunt being moved too? Or will Sunak be planning for Opposition and look to anoint a possible successor? James Cleverly seems to be doing okay as Foreign Secretary so may stay in post? Interesting times. Edit: just seen Cleverly appointed so that's probably seen as a safe pair of hands, not looking to rock the boat. David Cameron getting a peerage and returning? Foreign secretary, the Brexit gammon are going to love that 😂🇬🇧! 🍿 Back to the future, Andrea Jenkyns not happy so gets my vote. 😁 Looking to fight the next GE back on the centre ground?
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 11:00:10 GMT
Foreign secretary, the Brexit gammon are going to love that 😂🇬🇧! 🍿 Back to the future, Andrea Jenkyns not happy so gets my vote. 😁 Looking to fight the next GE back on the centre ground? How does it work then with him ( I’m guessing) being made a Lord , how does he getting questioned in the house of parliament?
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 13, 2023 11:40:46 GMT
Back to the future, Andrea Jenkyns not happy so gets my vote. 😁 Looking to fight the next GE back on the centre ground? How does it work then with him ( I’m guessing) being made a Lord , how does he getting questioned in the house of parliament? Probably delegated to a senior minister in the Commons and he'll take FCDO questions in the Lords.
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Post by oldie on Nov 13, 2023 11:51:25 GMT
Good riddance Another raving loony from that party bites the dust. To be replaced one of the most non committal cabinet members
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 12:12:40 GMT
Wonder what France thinks of Braverman going ? Does he support Rishi in sacking her or Braverman who he often agreed with ? He must be in a right pickle
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 12:22:19 GMT
Good riddance Another raving loony from that party bites the dust. To be replaced one of the most non committal cabinet members Cleverly advocated a vote for Brexit in the 2016 EU membership referendum. In the second May ministry, he served as Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party from 2018 to 2019 and Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union from April to July 2019. After Boris Johnson was appointed Prime Minister in July 2019, Cleverly was promoted to the Cabinet as Minister without portfolio. He served as co-chairman of the Conservative Party alongside Ben Elliot from 2019 to 2020. Cleverly was demoted from the Cabinet in the 2020 cabinet reshuffle and appointed Minister of State for Middle East and North Africa. He became Minister of State for Middle East, North Africa and North America in December 2021, before being appointed Minister of State for Europe and North America in February 2022. In July 2022 he succeeded Michelle Donelan as Secretary of State for Education. In September 2022 he was appointed Foreign Secretary by then-Prime Minister Liz Truss, making him the first Foreign Secretary of African heritage in British history. He was retained as Foreign Secretary by Rishi Sunak in October 2022 until November 2023. During the November 2023 reshuffling of cabinet, he was appointed Home Secretary.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 13, 2023 12:48:52 GMT
Good riddance Another raving loony from that party bites the dust. To be replaced one of the most non committal cabinet members Cleverly advocated a vote for Brexit in the 2016 EU membership referendum. In the second May ministry, he served as Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party from 2018 to 2019 and Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union from April to July 2019. After Boris Johnson was appointed Prime Minister in July 2019, Cleverly was promoted to the Cabinet as Minister without portfolio. He served as co-chairman of the Conservative Party alongside Ben Elliot from 2019 to 2020. Cleverly was demoted from the Cabinet in the 2020 cabinet reshuffle and appointed Minister of State for Middle East and North Africa. He became Minister of State for Middle East, North Africa and North America in December 2021, before being appointed Minister of State for Europe and North America in February 2022. In July 2022 he succeeded Michelle Donelan as Secretary of State for Education. In September 2022 he was appointed Foreign Secretary by then-Prime Minister Liz Truss, making him the first Foreign Secretary of African heritage in British history. He was retained as Foreign Secretary by Rishi Sunak in October 2022 until November 2023. During the November 2023 reshuffling of cabinet, he was appointed Home Secretary. He has gone on record as not wanting to leave the ECHR. Going to be a balancing act should the courts go against the government on Wednesday.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 13:08:31 GMT
More Brexit loons getting the chop , the swing back to the centre ground looks like it’s finally happening now in the Tory party. Another nail in the coffin for Brexit and our inevitable rejoining in coming yrs ….. only the hard core loons holding out now 🙄😂
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 13, 2023 15:32:18 GMT
Back to the future, Andrea Jenkyns not happy so gets my vote. 😁 Looking to fight the next GE back on the centre ground? How does it work then with him ( I’m guessing) being made a Lord , how does he getting questioned in the house of parliament? Confirmed: "But unlike his predecessor James Cleverly, Mr Cameron is not a member of parliament and won't appear in the Commons - instead, he was made a life peer by Rishi Sunak today. This allows him to take the post, and escape having to face regular grillings by MPs. He will, however, take questions in the Lords. The former MP will not face the regular sessions of Foreign Office questions, with more junior ministers instead fielding questions in the Commons chamber. This will also mean that major statements will likely be made first in the Upper Chamber, or by a less senior minister in the Commons. Mr Cameron will face questions from elected MPs only when he appears before select committees - which has already been criticised by his Labour counterpart. Earlier this hour (see our 2.39pm post), Commons speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle said he will "do everything" he can to ensure MPs can scrutinise the foreign secretary. He said: "This is not the first time in recent years that a cabinet minister has been appointed in the House of Lords. "But given the gravity of the current international situation, it is especially important that this House is able to scrutinise the work of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office effectively." "
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 15:42:29 GMT
How does it work then with him ( I’m guessing) being made a Lord , how does he getting questioned in the house of parliament? Confirmed: "But unlike his predecessor James Cleverly, Mr Cameron is not a member of parliament and won't appear in the Commons - instead, he was made a life peer by Rishi Sunak today. This allows him to take the post, and escape having to face regular grillings by MPs. He will, however, take questions in the Lords. The former MP will not face the regular sessions of Foreign Office questions, with more junior ministers instead fielding questions in the Commons chamber. This will also mean that major statements will likely be made first in the Upper Chamber, or by a less senior minister in the Commons. Mr Cameron will face questions from elected MPs only when he appears before select committees - which has already been criticised by his Labour counterpart. Earlier this hour (see our 2.39pm post), Commons speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle said he will "do everything" he can to ensure MPs can scrutinise the foreign secretary. He said: "This is not the first time in recent years that a cabinet minister has been appointed in the House of Lords. "But given the gravity of the current international situation, it is especially important that this House is able to scrutinise the work of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office effectively." " Total cop out then and an insult to voters . Thought these Brexit types didn’t like unelected politicians? 🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 13, 2023 15:54:52 GMT
Confirmed: "But unlike his predecessor James Cleverly, Mr Cameron is not a member of parliament and won't appear in the Commons - instead, he was made a life peer by Rishi Sunak today. This allows him to take the post, and escape having to face regular grillings by MPs. He will, however, take questions in the Lords. The former MP will not face the regular sessions of Foreign Office questions, with more junior ministers instead fielding questions in the Commons chamber. This will also mean that major statements will likely be made first in the Upper Chamber, or by a less senior minister in the Commons. Mr Cameron will face questions from elected MPs only when he appears before select committees - which has already been criticised by his Labour counterpart. Earlier this hour (see our 2.39pm post), Commons speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle said he will "do everything" he can to ensure MPs can scrutinise the foreign secretary. He said: "This is not the first time in recent years that a cabinet minister has been appointed in the House of Lords. "But given the gravity of the current international situation, it is especially important that this House is able to scrutinise the work of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office effectively." " Total cop out then and an insult to voters . Thought these Brexit types didn’t like unelected politicians? 🙄 And Cameron was Remainer-in-Chief. Politically it makes sense as he's experienced and would have connections internationally. It's also blindsided many and taken the heat out of SB's sacking. However it's a sad indictment of the current Conservative Party that out of 300 or so MPs, Sunak can't find someone suitable.
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Post by supergas on Nov 14, 2023 11:55:58 GMT
Total cop out then and an insult to voters . Thought these Brexit types didn’t like unelected politicians? 🙄 Is it? Put any current MP into that role and they spend half their time meeting people for the first time, whereas Cameron already has a lot of those personal connections in place. I actually think that *purely in terms of him doing a good job* it's a genius appointment and will elevate the UK's dealings around the world for however long it lasts... ...in terms of UK politics it will probably be a political nightmare but what else is new...?
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Post by oldie on Nov 14, 2023 13:32:42 GMT
Total cop out then and an insult to voters . Thought these Brexit types didn’t like unelected politicians? 🙄 Is it? Put any current MP into that role and they spend half their time meeting people for the first time, whereas Cameron already has a lot of those personal connections in place. I actually think that *purely in terms of him doing a good job* it's a genius appointment and will elevate the UK's dealings around the world for however long it lasts... ...in terms of UK politics it will probably be a political nightmare but what else is new...? Bit of a stretch that Supergas. I think most people believe that Cameron's appointment was made to shore up Sunak and the Tory Party in constituencies that don't like him, (Sunak). But Sunak made a complete ass of himself by then appointing Esther McVeigh to the cabinet, without a specific job other than to ensure "common sense"...her and common sense, really! Actually her and anything. Just another stupid appointment by Sunak who is desperately trying to maintain some semblance of support. It's pathetic, it really is.
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Post by francegas on Nov 14, 2023 13:37:06 GMT
Confirmed: "But unlike his predecessor James Cleverly, Mr Cameron is not a member of parliament and won't appear in the Commons - instead, he was made a life peer by Rishi Sunak today. This allows him to take the post, and escape having to face regular grillings by MPs. He will, however, take questions in the Lords. The former MP will not face the regular sessions of Foreign Office questions, with more junior ministers instead fielding questions in the Commons chamber. This will also mean that major statements will likely be made first in the Upper Chamber, or by a less senior minister in the Commons. Mr Cameron will face questions from elected MPs only when he appears before select committees - which has already been criticised by his Labour counterpart. Earlier this hour (see our 2.39pm post), Commons speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle said he will "do everything" he can to ensure MPs can scrutinise the foreign secretary. He said: "This is not the first time in recent years that a cabinet minister has been appointed in the House of Lords. "But given the gravity of the current international situation, it is especially important that this House is able to scrutinise the work of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office effectively." " Total cop out then and an insult to voters . Thought these Brexit types didn’t like unelected politicians? 🙄 I give you Peter Mandelson
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 14, 2023 13:41:07 GMT
Total cop out then and an insult to voters . Thought these Brexit types didn’t like unelected politicians? 🙄 I give you Peter Mandelson He will get "savaged" in the Lord's 🤭🤭
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Post by oldie on Nov 14, 2023 13:43:43 GMT
Total cop out then and an insult to voters . Thought these Brexit types didn’t like unelected politicians? 🙄 I give you Peter Mandelson Remainers within Labour appointed him to the cabinet despite the fact that he was a remainer? The mind boggles
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Post by francegas on Nov 14, 2023 13:54:36 GMT
I give you Peter Mandelson Remainers within Labour appointed him to the cabinet despite the fact that he was a remainer? The mind boggles No what I was implying is Cameron is not the first non standing MP to be bought back to the cabinet. Apologies should have made myself clear.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 14, 2023 14:54:51 GMT
Remainers within Labour appointed him to the cabinet despite the fact that he was a remainer? The mind boggles No what I was implying is Cameron is not the first non standing MP to be bought back to the cabinet. Apologies should have made myself clear. Perfectly clear, but I think you missed Yatton's point.
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