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Post by Gassy on Sept 9, 2023 10:42:59 GMT
A lot of helicopters over my house the last couple of days… 😱
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Post by supergas on Sept 9, 2023 12:06:06 GMT
This is getting comical now. One last try. When Mr Sunak announced Furlough funding during COVID, was that in any previously announced spending plans? It's hard not to make this debate personal, but if you can't tell the difference between government spending that is planned and costed (or not costed) months in advance of the policies being announced, passed in Parliament and then implemented, vs the government reacting to a global health crisis, that developed in the space of a few weeks, then you might want to give politics a miss for a bit. Before we were talking about policies that government announce where they and their civil servants spend months planning how they will work and figuring out how they will be paid for, now you've changed the topic to a global pandemic where *of course* plans are created very quickly to stop people dying....
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 9, 2023 12:11:47 GMT
A lot of helicopters over my house the last couple of days… 😱 He's been caught now.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 9, 2023 15:17:26 GMT
A lot of helicopters over my house the last couple of days… 😱 He's been caught now. And in the end nowhere near here! Couldn’t believe it when I saw he was in Chiswick
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Post by oldie on Sept 9, 2023 17:59:41 GMT
This is getting comical now. One last try. When Mr Sunak announced Furlough funding during COVID, was that in any previously announced spending plans? It's hard not to make this debate personal, but if you can't tell the difference between government spending that is planned and costed (or not costed) months in advance of the policies being announced, passed in Parliament and then implemented, vs the government reacting to a global health crisis, that developed in the space of a few weeks, then you might want to give politics a miss for a bit. Before we were talking about policies that government announce where they and their civil servants spend months planning how they will work and figuring out how they will be paid for, now you've changed the topic to a global pandemic where *of course* plans are created very quickly to stop people dying.... So Was Mr Sunak's furlough spending pre planned and all part of the forecast that markets were attuned to? You do see that you have never answered a direct question, don't you?
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Post by yattongas on Sept 9, 2023 20:09:03 GMT
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Post by baggins on Sept 10, 2023 5:43:11 GMT
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Post by supergas on Sept 10, 2023 11:48:27 GMT
It's hard not to make this debate personal, but if you can't tell the difference between government spending that is planned and costed (or not costed) months in advance of the policies being announced, passed in Parliament and then implemented, vs the government reacting to a global health crisis, that developed in the space of a few weeks, then you might want to give politics a miss for a bit. Before we were talking about policies that government announce where they and their civil servants spend months planning how they will work and figuring out how they will be paid for, now you've changed the topic to a global pandemic where *of course* plans are created very quickly to stop people dying.... So Was Mr Sunak's furlough spending pre planned and all part of the forecast that markets were attuned to? You do see that you have never answered a direct question, don't you? It's hard as your question keeps changing. It started as... ...(which was answered by a point about normal government spending/policies/budgets) and now... Two different things. Covid spending was all short-term and of course was not planned. It was a global pandemic, so in that sense *yes* the markets expected it as it had to be done and of course was unplanned, at the time it was spent it was unfunded, but that doesn't mean spending it was a bad thing... ...now all covid-related spending has now been stopped and/or built into government policies and spending plans. So all current government polices are fully funded, you can google the spending plans and the various departments' policy announcements....
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Post by yattongas on Sept 10, 2023 12:14:22 GMT
All this is bit silly banging on about Brown and his spending . The tories have cut everything to the bone , massively added to the National debt and nothing works . 🙄
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Post by supergas on Sept 13, 2023 9:26:44 GMT
All this is bit silly banging on about Brown and his spending . The tories have cut everything to the bone , massively added to the National debt and nothing works . 🙄 ...to be fair they inherited a massive deficit (£100bn+/year) because of Brown's spending and so spent the first five years of government getting that back under control by controlling spending and increasing revenues... ...and they got back to a surplus just before covid hit, which of course changed everything and means they had even bigger problems to solve. But that doesn't mean they are to blame for the increase in the national debt on their watch - if they had been handed anything like a balanced budget in 2010 they would have been in surplus years earlier and would have reduced it by a huge chunk...
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Post by yattongas on Sept 13, 2023 10:00:26 GMT
All this is bit silly banging on about Brown and his spending . The tories have cut everything to the bone , massively added to the National debt and nothing works . 🙄 ...to be fair they inherited a massive deficit (£100bn+/year) because of Brown's spending and so spent the first five years of government getting that back under control by controlling spending and increasing revenues... ...and they got back to a surplus just before covid hit, which of course changed everything and means they had even bigger problems to solve. But that doesn't mean they are to blame for the increase in the national debt on their watch - if they had been handed anything like a balanced budget in 2010 they would have been in surplus years earlier and would have reduced it by a huge chunk... So it’s all Labours fault and the Conservatives have been marvellous. Cheers for that 🍺
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Post by supergas on Sept 13, 2023 10:13:59 GMT
...to be fair they inherited a massive deficit (£100bn+/year) because of Brown's spending and so spent the first five years of government getting that back under control by controlling spending and increasing revenues... ...and they got back to a surplus just before covid hit, which of course changed everything and means they had even bigger problems to solve. But that doesn't mean they are to blame for the increase in the national debt on their watch - if they had been handed anything like a balanced budget in 2010 they would have been in surplus years earlier and would have reduced it by a huge chunk... So it’s all Labours fault and the Conservatives have been marvellous. Cheers for that 🍺 Ok, so if you inherit spending commitments that are £100bn+ higher every year than your revenue, what would your first step be to fix that problem...?
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Post by yattongas on Sept 13, 2023 10:19:52 GMT
So it’s all Labours fault and the Conservatives have been marvellous. Cheers for that 🍺 Ok, so if you inherit spending commitments that are £100bn+ higher every year than your revenue, what would your first step be to fix that problem...? Invest in the future , rather than austerity and all the problems we’re now facing .
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Post by supergas on Sept 13, 2023 10:59:07 GMT
Ok, so if you inherit spending commitments that are £100bn+ higher every year than your revenue, what would your first step be to fix that problem...? Invest in the future , rather than austerity and all the problems we’re now facing . ...soundbites like that might win you an election....but what does that actually mean? Invest in the future? Ie grow the economy? Like Truss tried to do? You wouldn't even consider trying to control spending...?
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Post by yattongas on Sept 13, 2023 14:09:32 GMT
Invest in the future , rather than austerity and all the problems we’re now facing . ...soundbites like that might win you an election....but what does that actually mean? Invest in the future? Ie grow the economy? Like Truss tried to do? You wouldn't even consider trying to control spending...? For starters I wouldn’t have cancelled the building schools for the future plan that labour had and Gove (?) scrapped . Yes it would have meant spending more money at the time but it would have been finished this yr I think . Instead…. We’ve now got multiple schools that aren’t fit for purpose and many completely closed due to raac problems. That’s a false economy . That’s the Tories mantra , cut anything they can to the bone . Then labour have to come in , spend even more money correcting the Tory negligence and then you lot complain about them being profligate ! 🙄
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2023 19:16:52 GMT
The triple lock is going to be a political football again, 8.5% increase in the pipeline but some talk of using another earnings calculation to reduce the amount a bit.
Personally I've long thought the triple element was unaffordable.
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Post by aghast on Sept 13, 2023 21:21:27 GMT
So it’s all Labours fault and the Conservatives have been marvellous. Cheers for that 🍺 Ok, so if you inherit spending commitments that are £100bn+ higher every year than your revenue, what would your first step be to fix that problem...? That's nonsense and you know it is. The UK deficit under Labour from 1997 to 2008 was no higher than other UK governments and much lower than many, despite record spending on health and education. The global financial crash changed all that, as did COVID in 2020. Events. Beyond the control of any one country.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2023 22:33:59 GMT
Well done UK plc, one of only 4 offers to be accepted by Morocco so far.
"A team of sixty search and rescue specialists, four highly trained search dogs, and essential rescue equipment are being dispatched to the affected region. Additionally, a medical assessment team is also part of this deployment.
Today, the UK’s emergency response teams are departing for Morocco using two Royal Air Force A400M aircraft provided by the Ministry of Defence."
We've also moved 3 Chinook helicopters to Gibraltar to help if needed.
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Post by supergas on Sept 14, 2023 3:01:27 GMT
Ok, so if you inherit spending commitments that are £100bn+ higher every year than your revenue, what would your first step be to fix that problem...? That's nonsense and you know it is. The UK deficit under Labour from 1997 to 2008 was no higher than other UK governments and much lower than many, despite record spending on health and education. The global financial crash changed all that, as did COVID in 2020. Events. Beyond the control of any one country. ...events that had to be fixed by the sitting government. So the question is a valid one, if you walked into any job (let alone government) where you were spending £100bn/year more than you were raising, I literally can't think of anything to do as a first step other than cutting spending....
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Post by supergas on Sept 14, 2023 3:13:46 GMT
...soundbites like that might win you an election....but what does that actually mean? Invest in the future? Ie grow the economy? Like Truss tried to do? You wouldn't even consider trying to control spending...? For starters I wouldn’t have cancelled the building schools for the future plan that labour had and Gove (?) scrapped . Yes it would have meant spending more money at the time but it would have been finished this yr I think . Instead…. We’ve now got multiple schools that aren’t fit for purpose and many completely closed due to raac problems. That’s a false economy . That’s the Tories mantra , cut anything they can to the bone . Then labour have to come in , spend even more money correcting the Tory negligence and then you lot complain about them being profligate ! 🙄 With hindsight no one would have let schools get to this state. But it's not government ministers going round with hard hats and clipboards checking the structural integrity of school buildings. For example, Wales and Scotland seem to have affected buildings as well, despite powers being devolved to their governments for 25-odd years...
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