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Post by Parrot on Jan 11, 2015 11:34:24 GMT
Building on contaminated land can sometimes be not as expensive as you would think.
There are also various grants, subsidies and tax relief for development of "Brown Field Sites"
However I believe the current owners value the land highly due to its obvious links to nearby motorway interchange
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Post by gasincider on Jan 11, 2015 11:36:59 GMT
Bishopston, considering how many times you have posted, I'm amazed you have to ask why we have not settled for redeveloping the Mem.
If you really mean that you will be put in detention and told to write out 30 million times
We need income streams at UWE that we cannot get at the Mem I.e. Parking receipts of £300 k per annum from UWE students, crèche, local shop, gym, etc etc etc Ad Nauseum.
But I'm sure you already knew that. If you didn't where have you been? If we wish to compete with the 82ers we have to leave the Mem. Simples.
As for Torquay, they didn't pay for the stand. It was one of their supporters who won the money on the lottery. That has also been fully detailed on here.
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Post by Strange Gas on Jan 11, 2015 11:40:54 GMT
Just watched the FL Show and noticed Oldham are building a new stand on the side of the pitch. Considering they pulled out of the Ched Evans deal stating the club couldn't survive if their sponsors cancelled, how the hell can they afford that? Then you think of teams like Dagenham and Torquay who have pathetic crowds but can afford to build new stands. So why have we never even attempted to sort the Mem? We seem to always go for the huge project rather than just slowly develop what we have. Must admit I always think that a tidier mem would be a good prospect, but I think it hinges on "ability to generate new revenue streams" which I assume means people won't pay to use current facilities so they are left empty of paying users c. 340 days of the year, mainly cos they are unsuitable and dilapidated, and lack of revenue means they just keep going downhill. But given the number of hotels etc in Bristol area I do find it surprising to think a new stadium would be so much of a draw on non match days. I've been to a few corporate events at new Wembley, and although its very nice, its never exactly been busy, and thats London
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 11, 2015 14:07:29 GMT
Bishopston, considering how many times you have posted, I'm amazed you have to ask why we have not settled for redeveloping the Mem. If you really mean that you will be put in detention and told to write out 30 million times We need income streams at UWE that we cannot get at the Mem I.e. Parking receipts of £300 k per annum from UWE students, crèche, local shop, gym, etc etc etc Ad Nauseum. But I'm sure you already knew that. If you didn't where have you been? If we wish to compete with the 82ers we have to leave the Mem. Simples. As for Torquay, they didn't pay for the stand. It was one of their supporters who won the money on the lottery. That has also been fully detailed on here. Fair enough re the Torquay stand but I stand by my post with regards to the Mem. When was the last time we did any sort of work to it? Even just painted the bar or something? The last major thing was the Family Enclosure roof. I'm not saying for one second that I don't want the UWE or that a tarted up Mem could earn anywhere near what UWE can, I'm just tired of teams who have no fans and supposedly no money comfortably get a new stand or even a new ground.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 11, 2015 14:09:00 GMT
Just watched the FL Show and noticed Oldham are building a new stand on the side of the pitch. Considering they pulled out of the Ched Evans deal stating the club couldn't survive if their sponsors cancelled, how the hell can they afford that? Then you think of teams like Dagenham and Torquay who have pathetic crowds but can afford to build new stands. So why have we never even attempted to sort the Mem? We seem to always go for the huge project rather than just slowly develop what we have. Must admit I always think that a tidier mem would be a good prospect, but I think it hinges on "ability to generate new revenue streams" which I assume means people won't pay to use current facilities so they are left empty of paying users c. 340 days of the year, mainly cos they are unsuitable and dilapidated, and lack of revenue means they just keep going downhill. But given the number of hotels etc in Bristol area I do find it surprising to think a new stadium would be so much of a draw on non match days. I've been to a few corporate events at new Wembley, and although its very nice, its never exactly been busy, and thats London Tbf with UWE it's right by the motorway link that can lead to all four points on the compass. South Glos Council will push it too I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 15:23:47 GMT
Bishopston, considering how many times you have posted, I'm amazed you have to ask why we have not settled for redeveloping the Mem. If you really mean that you will be put in detention and told to write out 30 million times We need income streams at UWE that we cannot get at the Mem I.e. Parking receipts of £300 k per annum from UWE students, crèche, local shop, gym, etc etc etc Ad Nauseum. But I'm sure you already knew that. If you didn't where have you been? If we wish to compete with the 82ers we have to leave the Mem. Simples. As for Torquay, they didn't pay for the stand. It was one of their supporters who won the money on the lottery. That has also been fully detailed on here. I thought that part of the agreement was that UWE got free use of the car park during the week?
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Post by pirateman on Jan 11, 2015 15:45:51 GMT
That's what I thought
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2015 16:08:43 GMT
But how much income have we lost over the years whilst playing at a run down Mem?
Plus if the 82er's can survive at a redeveloped AG why couldn't we have done it at the Mem?
The way things are going it'll be another decade before we play in a decent ground and by then I'll probably be too old to care!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 16:53:37 GMT
But how much income have we lost over the years whilst playing at a run down Mem? Plus if the 82er's can survive at a redeveloped AG why couldn't we have done it at the Mem? The way things are going it'll be another decade before we play in a decent ground and by then I'll probably be too old to care! I'm sure the Dick of Gurnsea can think of at least 50 million reasons why City82ltd are better off than us.
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Post by gas2 on Jan 11, 2015 16:54:38 GMT
Bishopston, considering how many times you have posted, I'm amazed you have to ask why we have not settled for redeveloping the Mem. If you really mean that you will be put in detention and told to write out 30 million times We need income streams at UWE that we cannot get at the Mem I.e. Parking receipts of £300 k per annum from UWE students, crèche, local shop, gym, etc etc etc Ad Nauseum. But I'm sure you already knew that. If you didn't where have you been? If we wish to compete with the 82ers we have to leave the Mem. Simples. As for Torquay, they didn't pay for the stand. It was one of their supporters who won the money on the lottery. That has also been fully detailed on here. perhaps sainsburys might build a supermarket on the old r r factory site
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 11, 2015 19:36:28 GMT
But how much income have we lost over the years whilst playing at a run down Mem? Plus if the 82er's can survive at a redeveloped AG why couldn't we have done it at the Mem? The way things are going it'll be another decade before we play in a decent ground and by then I'll probably be too old to care! This.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 19:44:19 GMT
We owe £10m so how are we supposed to develop the mem ? We have to get the £30m and build elsewhere as there is simply no other choice.
We had the chance to develop the mem with the help of grants and much smaller debt a decade ago but chose to be more ambitious. We were screwed by bad luck twice over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 19:51:54 GMT
We owe £10m so how are we supposed to develop the mem ? We have to get the £30m and build elsewhere as there is simply no other choice. We had the chance to develop the mem with the help of grants and much smaller debt a decade ago but chose to be more ambitious. We were screwed by bad luck twice over. Bad luck and chemistry?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 19:54:39 GMT
Lol indeed lots of bad luck and the wrong chemistry
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Post by Mark Ash on Jan 11, 2015 20:02:38 GMT
But how much income have we lost over the years whilst playing at a run down Mem? Plus if the 82er's can survive at a redeveloped AG why couldn't we have done it at the Mem? The way things are going it'll be another decade before we play in a decent ground and by then I'll probably be too old to care! I'm sure the Dick of Gurnsea can think of at least 50 million reasons why City82ltd are better off than us. In the recent interview with Steve Cotterill on Made in Bristol, it was calmly stated that City lose about £10m per year. It didn't matter. Stevie-baby was blasé about this - "I know he'll always put his hand in his pocket when I need him to." It's a situation different from ours, for sure. One day it will end though, inevitably. Being a train-set club is precarious.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2015 20:15:55 GMT
We owe £10m so how are we supposed to develop the mem ? We have to get the £30m and build elsewhere as there is simply no other choice. We had the chance to develop the mem with the help of grants and much smaller debt a decade ago but chose to be more ambitious. We were screwed by bad luck twice over. I don't think that's the issue now, what posters are saying is instead of running up debts of £10m, which it seems we can only now recover by selling the Mem, why didn't we just redevelop the Mem. With FA grants we could have done that for around £5m. Whilst the income streams maybe brilliant at the UWE there's no signs of us getting any income this decade!
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Post by peterparker on Jan 12, 2015 7:51:32 GMT
Bishopston, considering how many times you have posted, I'm amazed you have to ask why we have not settled for redeveloping the Mem. If you really mean that you will be put in detention and told to write out 30 million times We need income streams at UWE that we cannot get at the Mem I.e. Parking receipts of £300 k per annum from UWE students, crèche, local shop, gym, etc etc etc Ad Nauseum. But I'm sure you already knew that. If you didn't where have you been? If we wish to compete with the 82ers we have to leave the Mem. Simples. As for Torquay, they didn't pay for the stand. It was one of their supporters who won the money on the lottery. That has also been fully detailed on here. of course the elephant in the room is that the UWE campus has all these facilities as well
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Jan 12, 2015 9:09:17 GMT
How rich is Mr Higgs?
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Post by supergas on Jan 12, 2015 9:12:08 GMT
Bishopston, considering how many times you have posted, I'm amazed you have to ask why we have not settled for redeveloping the Mem. If you really mean that you will be put in detention and told to write out 30 million times We need income streams at UWE that we cannot get at the Mem I.e. Parking receipts of £300 k per annum from UWE students, crèche, local shop, gym, etc etc etc Ad Nauseum. But I'm sure you already knew that. If you didn't where have you been? If we wish to compete with the 82ers we have to leave the Mem. Simples. As for Torquay, they didn't pay for the stand. It was one of their supporters who won the money on the lottery. That has also been fully detailed on here. of course the elephant in the room is that the UWE campus has all these facilities as wellYes but the location in South Gloucestershire (and I suspect on the UWE campus) was the reason planning permission was so easy and the only reason the deal is still alive after all the delays. South Glos Council needed a 21000+ capacity stadium to meet one of the criteria of their planning 'Masterplan' - I suspect this was the only reason we settled on a capacity of 21700 which is plainly ludicrous for us. UWE want to compete/beat other Uni's that have close links to local stadiums by 'building one of their own' (with the pesky detail that we would own the building...)
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Post by baggins on Jan 12, 2015 11:27:09 GMT
We owe £10m so how are we supposed to develop the mem ? We have to get the £30m and build elsewhere as there is simply no other choice. We had the chance to develop the mem with the help of grants and much smaller debt a decade ago but chose to be more ambitious. We were screwed by bad luck twice over. Bad luck and chemistry? Don't talk to me about bad chemistry. I accidentally made up a huge batch of MDF the other day.
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