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Post by RD on Sept 9, 2022 11:06:41 GMT
I totally understand your point. Yet... for reasons I can't put my finger on.... I do genuinely feel sad. Not sure why - never met her, not overly bothered about the Monarch generally speaking - but.... I don't know.... feels like I've lost someone I knew. I fully appreciate how ridiculous it sounds and I've massively surprised myself with how much it's hit me - I think it's losing something that's been so constant. Maybe it's the things it's linked to. I don't know. I lost my mum a few years back and I've already thought once or twice "wow - my mum would have been shocked by this" and maybe it's through links to her passing I actually feel the sadness. Either way, I'm surprised at how I feel - but it's definitely genuine, as crazy as that may sound (and indeed does, even to myself). Respect for your opinion and words RD. And Gassy, yes I am asking why people are reacting the way they are. RD makes a cogent point about his sense of personal loss. I don't feel that way at all, in fact I have sneaky sense of liberation, the passing of Elizabeth (for clarity whatever my opinions I never wished her ill health or death) removes the ballast from our system of "monarchy" which, I hope, will lead to constitutional change. The fawning, ridiculous programme on R4 this morning sums up, for me, the absolute need for change. FWIW I totally understand your position oldie and I wouldn't blame anyone at all (in fact, I'd think they were "normal") if they don't feel any sense of loss. I'm shocked at how I feel, genuinely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an inconsolable mess or anything. Just feel a sense of almost personal loss which is utterly, utterly bizarre! |
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Post by baggins on Sept 9, 2022 11:06:58 GMT
Sad days for her family, kids, grandkids and great grandkids. But really, for the rest of us? The fawning coverage on the Today Programme on R4 was a bit laughable. The sort of programming you might expect in countries like China or North Korea. Her reign as a Queen covered my entire life, 70 years now, I can honestly say she and her family have been entirely irrelevant in my life. Most of the comments on the BBC have been over exaggerated made up nonsense. I totally understand your point. Yet... for reasons I can't put my finger on.... I do genuinely feel sad. Not sure why - never met her, not overly bothered about the Monarch generally speaking - but.... I don't know.... feels like I've lost someone I knew. I fully appreciate how ridiculous it sounds and I've massively surprised myself with how much it's hit me - I think it's losing something that's been so constant. Maybe it's the things it's linked to. I don't know. I lost my mum a few years back and I've already thought once or twice "wow - my mum would have been shocked by this" and maybe it's through links to her passing I actually feel the sadness. Either way, I'm surprised at how I feel - but it's definitely genuine, as crazy as that may sound (and indeed does, even to myself). Same here Chap. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 11:07:04 GMT
Anyway, this forum, like this country, is too full of royalist clowns. See ya 👋🏻
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Post by RD on Sept 9, 2022 11:07:48 GMT
Anyway, this forum, like this country, is too full of royalist clowns. See ya 👋🏻 Bye |
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Post by baggins on Sept 9, 2022 11:08:17 GMT
The thing I hate the most is the fact that people call me “unpatriotic” for disliking the way my country is. How is it unpatriotic to wish my country was better? The unpatriotic ones are the strange people obsessed with the monarchy as if they do anything productive for us. How would getting rid of the Monarchy make this Country better? |
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Post by baggins on Sept 9, 2022 11:08:49 GMT
Anyway, this forum, like this country, is too full of royalist clowns. See ya 👋🏻 Cheerio. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 9, 2022 11:12:53 GMT
The thing I hate the most is the fact that people call me “unpatriotic” for disliking the way my country is. How is it unpatriotic to wish my country was better? The unpatriotic ones are the strange people obsessed with the monarchy as if they do anything productive for us. How would getting rid of the Monarchy make this Country better? In one swoop The removal of patronage. Our system is archaic and embarrassing. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 9, 2022 11:13:14 GMT
Anyway, this forum, like this country, is too full of royalist clowns. See ya 👋🏻 You never did answer my follow up question. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 9, 2022 11:15:13 GMT
How would getting rid of the Monarchy make this Country better? In one swoop The removal of patronage. Our system is archaic and embarrassing. I suspect it'll just manifest itself into something else. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 9, 2022 11:15:50 GMT
The title of this thread has now been changed, as somebody who wished to express condolences and respect, I'm really disappointed with that. The existing thread remains in the main board, albeit with the debate moved to GC (here in this thread) Thanks - I'm actually thoroughly confused as to how I ended up in GC!  Well done Mods for sorting things out.  |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 9, 2022 11:16:04 GMT
This is probably exactly how it would have happened in a night club
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Post by axegas on Sept 9, 2022 11:17:40 GMT
This is probably exactly how it would have happened in a night club This was good, but I still think the BBC interrupting DNB right at the drop to announce the death of Prince Phillip beats it. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 9, 2022 11:20:08 GMT
In one swoop The removal of patronage. Our system is archaic and embarrassing. I suspect it'll just manifest itself into something else. Perhaps, but that would be our fault. At the moment we are weighed down by our history, a version of which is reinforced by propaganda. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 9, 2022 11:26:17 GMT
Anyway, this forum, like this country, is too full of royalist clowns. See ya 👋🏻 And we're not royalist crowns. We're respectful Brits. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 9, 2022 11:44:36 GMT
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Post by gulfofaden on Sept 9, 2022 11:57:56 GMT
Anyone see what Dale Vince posted on Twitter? I’m no royalist but I’d like to think my sense of what’s respectful and what’s not is a little better. Kind and tolerant lefties showing their colours as per usual. They had street parties for thatcher, they’ll probably be showing the same kind tolerance towards HMQ. |
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Post by percy on Sept 9, 2022 12:04:40 GMT
Anyone see what Dale Vince posted on Twitter? I’m no royalist but I’d like to think my sense of what’s respectful and what’s not is a little better. Kind and tolerant lefties showing their colours as per usual. They had street parties for thatcher, they’ll probably be showing the same kind tolerance towards HMQ. Oh do be quiet. Guy couldnt be more of a capitalist. |
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Post by baggins on Sept 9, 2022 12:16:19 GMT
Having a different opinion = being a dick No, we made it clear that opinions were for the general chat thread, this thread was set up so that people could pay their respects if they wished. No-one is forcing you to post on this thread, likewise no-one is stopping you from posting your opinions on the other thread. As it happens, he's stropped off. |
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Post by barumgas on Sept 9, 2022 12:28:55 GMT
A lady who dedicated her life to serving the country. RIP
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 9, 2022 13:20:57 GMT
Sad days for her family, kids, grandkids and great grandkids. But really, for the rest of us? The fawning coverage on the Today Programme on R4 was a bit laughable. The sort of programming you might expect in countries like China or North Korea. Her reign as a Queen covered my entire life, 70 years now, I can honestly say she and her family have been entirely irrelevant in my life. Most of the comments on the BBC have been over exaggerated made up nonsense. I totally understand your point. Yet... for reasons I can't put my finger on.... I do genuinely feel sad. Not sure why - never met her, not overly bothered about the Monarch generally speaking - but.... I don't know.... feels like I've lost someone I knew. I fully appreciate how ridiculous it sounds and I've massively surprised myself with how much it's hit me - I think it's losing something that's been so constant. Maybe it's the things it's linked to. I don't know. I lost my mum a few years back and I've already thought once or twice "wow - my mum would have been shocked by this" and maybe it's through links to her passing I actually feel the sadness. Either way, I'm surprised at how I feel - but it's definitely genuine, as crazy as that may sound (and indeed does, even to myself). Well put RD same for me it has stirred up a lot of emotion in me which I am surprised at,I think it's that I think of my recently passed parents,a Omaha D day veteran,stoic and uncomplaining,never wanted thanks for what they did and a value set that is fast disappearing. The Queen was out the same mold,she understood her privileged position but lived her life with humility and without hubris a lesson many of our politicians could learn |
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