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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 24, 2024 21:18:19 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 8, 2024 19:06:34 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 11, 2024 7:29:48 GMT
Iran giving ballistic missiles to Russia.
Hopefully we will finally give the green light to Ukraine to use our missiles.
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 11, 2024 14:53:21 GMT
Iran giving ballistic missiles to Russia. Hopefully we will finally give the green light to Ukraine to use our missiles. .seems Biden is moving that way,step by step escalating to god knows where!! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 11, 2024 15:03:25 GMT
Iran giving ballistic missiles to Russia. Hopefully we will finally give the green light to Ukraine to use our missiles. .seems Biden is moving that way,step by step escalating to god knows where!! No good options. I see the Operation Interflex Ukrainian training programme has been extended to the end of next year, but that's restricted our own ability to train our own forces. It's definitely worth it in the short term but will have consequences if mismanaged. |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 11, 2024 17:33:04 GMT
.seems Biden is moving that way,step by step escalating to god knows where!! No good options. I see the Operation Interflex Ukrainian training programme has been extended to the end of next year, but that's restricted our own ability to train our own forces. It's definitely worth it in the short term but will have consequences if mismanaged. Agreed,the Defence review will put another nail in the coffin of our Armed Forces capability, don't mind betting that labour will never deliver the increase in defence spending that is sorely needed,reminds of the 1930s. |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 13, 2024 8:48:18 GMT
Now Putin has more or less threatened the West with retaliation will we back down re long range missiles,hope not as it would set a very bad precedent.
We live in very dangerous times.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 13, 2024 10:56:21 GMT
Now Putin has more or less threatened the West with retaliation will we back down re long range missiles,hope not as it would set a very bad precedent. We live in very dangerous times. . Nah, they’ll do it and rightly so. Crossing the red lines just means Russia ups their shelling for a day or 2. They still wouldn’t dare attack a nato country. What ever happened to that Ukrainian insurgence in Russia? Haven’t heard of that in a while |
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Post by baggins on Sept 13, 2024 12:49:24 GMT
Now Putin has more or less threatened the West with retaliation will we back down re long range missiles,hope not as it would set a very bad precedent. We live in very dangerous times. . Hasn't he done that a few times before? Hopefully the maniac won't push his luck too far as the West will flatten Moscow in minutes. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2024 13:54:04 GMT
Now Putin has more or less threatened the West with retaliation will we back down re long range missiles,hope not as it would set a very bad precedent. We live in very dangerous times. . Not the first time he's done that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 19, 2024 12:08:50 GMT
Moldova holding a referendum this week. "While Moscow is accused of meddling behind the scenes, the pro-European President Maia Sandu has been out on the streets trying to build up support. She believes by enshrining the desire to join the EU in the constitution it will help prevent pro-Russian forces derailing that ambition in the future. Pro-Europeans see Moldova as on the frontline of the clash between Western democracy and Russian authoritarianism and believe Sunday's referendum could be one of the most historic decisions taken by the country since it gained independence from the Soviet Union. They say a Yes vote would signal a decision to move further away from the Kremlin; a No means a step back towards Moscow." news.sky.com/story/moldovans-divided-over-eu-referendum-with-mixed-feelings-over-ties-to-russia-and-the-west-13236267 |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 19, 2024 22:30:38 GMT
Goodness knows what would happen if Trump was still President ! Let’s hope the Baltic States are off Putins’ ‘agenda for change”. You'll get to find out soon. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 19, 2024 23:45:43 GMT
Goodness knows what would happen if Trump was still President ! Let’s hope the Baltic States are off Putins’ ‘agenda for change”. You'll get to find out soon. How do you see this playing out? The current murmurs centre around lines being drawn around the existing front line, although Ukraine won't be allowed to keep Kursk. Ukraine loses c20% of its land, (in addition to many of its displaced citizens), much of which is mineral rich so will struggle to pay its way. It will have to introduce a buffer zone akin to the DMZ in Korea. Plus no Nato membership. Trump will threaten to cut aid to Ukraine and simultaneously threaten to flood Ukraine with all it can to force Putin to the table. I really can't see what is in it for Ukraine, other than an uneasy and fragile peace. Russia gets what it has gained, easing of sanctions and breathing space to rearm. It may work along the lines of the Cold War but we could see European troops move in, including us, as 'Peacekeepers', but no US involvement. Ukraine has had security guarantees in the past, all broken. Hoping Trump surprises us, not convinced though. Both warring factions may carry on anyway, not that Ukraine would be able to. |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 20, 2024 7:40:47 GMT
Manufacturers don't want this to end they want it to continue. It's not just supporting that conflict either. By countries like the UK getting rid of old stock, we can also invest in new kit. There are always winners whatever the circumstances, my dad was often fond of saying undertakers like war. Munitions have a shelf life so they would otherwise be used in exercises, what we are seeing is Ukraine being given older stock which in many ways, though not all, would have to be disposed of anyway. The manufacturers may well see this as an opportunity, however that is a by product, it's neither the cause of this conflict nor is it a valid reason to stop our support. We wouldn't be having this conversation had we been attacked rather than Ukraine, we'd be getting all we could. C150bn pounds has gone to Ukraine in support from allies. £15bn from the UK. The sanctions, the punishments, the financial institutions action etc. Years on and still Russia pushes ahead. Does anybody know what Putins desired outcome is? Range rockets in use by Ukraine now. Do we think that will deescalate or increase activity? My friends family remain in Odessa, no power or water, damaged town, but no intention to flee or give up. The family members are all involved in supporting their fighters. Our justification tends yo be the threat of Russia pushing beyond Ukraine into Europe. What do the Border countries say about all of this? Poland, Moldova? |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 20, 2024 8:37:08 GMT
There are always winners whatever the circumstances, my dad was often fond of saying undertakers like war. Munitions have a shelf life so they would otherwise be used in exercises, what we are seeing is Ukraine being given older stock which in many ways, though not all, would have to be disposed of anyway. The manufacturers may well see this as an opportunity, however that is a by product, it's neither the cause of this conflict nor is it a valid reason to stop our support. We wouldn't be having this conversation had we been attacked rather than Ukraine, we'd be getting all we could. C150bn pounds has gone to Ukraine in support from allies. £15bn from the UK. The sanctions, the punishments, the financial institutions action etc. Years on and still Russia pushes ahead. Does anybody know what Putins desired outcome is? Range rockets in use by Ukraine now. Do we think that will deescalate or increase activity? My friends family remain in Odessa, no power or water, damaged town, but no intention to flee or give up. The family members are all involved in supporting their fighters. Our justification tends yo be the threat of Russia pushing beyond Ukraine into Europe. What do the Border countries say about all of this? Poland, Moldova? There are some clues to what Putin thinks,he has stated that he wants to "restore a Greater Russia", historically this means all the border Countries that were effectively Russian in the 17th Century ie:Poland, Lithuania etc. If you look at his MO over the past 10-20 years he annexes territory such as Crimea waits to see if the West will respond and when we don't get goes for the next bit,if the 20th Century teaches us only one thing it's that appeasing agressors never works. Also,China and North Korea will look at our response ,if there isn't one then what's to deter them from executing their territorial ambitions? |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 20, 2024 8:45:01 GMT
You'll get to find out soon. How do you see this playing out? The current murmurs centre around lines being drawn around the existing front line, although Ukraine won't be allowed to keep Kursk. Ukraine loses c20% of its land, (in addition to many of its displaced citizens), much of which is mineral rich so will struggle to pay its way. It will have to introduce a buffer zone akin to the DMZ in Korea. Plus no Nato membership. Trump will threaten to cut aid to Ukraine and simultaneously threaten to flood Ukraine with all it can to force Putin to the table. I really can't see what is in it for Ukraine, other than an uneasy and fragile peace. Russia gets what it has gained, easing of sanctions and breathing space to rearm. It may work along the lines of the Cold War but we could see European troops move in, including us, as 'Peacekeepers', but no US involvement. Ukraine has had security guarantees in the past, all broken. Hoping Trump surprises us, not convinced though. Both warring factions may carry on anyway, not that Ukraine would be able to. I think the only way it will work along the lines you suggest Stu is to allow Ukraine into NATO,whilst Russia would be totally against this it would be an effective deterrent to future incursions as the Russian army is no match for a fully engaged NATO as long as Trump fully commits the US,Putin only understands strength he sees weakness as an opportunity to exploit. If we leave it to European countries to maintain a DMZ ,I fear there would be no collective response . |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 20, 2024 9:42:30 GMT
"Chinese-flagged bulk carrier MV Yi Peng 3 appears to have deliberately dragged anchor to break two underwater telecoms cables in the Baltic Sea. Now stopped in Kattegat belived to have been intercepted by Danish naval vessels HDMS Hvidbjørnen and HDMS Søløven. Similar to incident in Oct 2023 when MV Newnew Polar Bear damaged undersea Balticconnector pipeline. Both Chinese flagged vessels that had departed from Russian ports." x.com/NavyLookout/status/1859163033274138644 |
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Post by aghast on Nov 20, 2024 17:30:22 GMT
This is what the Trump apologists mean when they say he will stop wars. Hand Putin what he wants on a plate and sure there will not be a war. Not in the immediate future anyway.
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 21, 2024 0:02:06 GMT
How do you see this playing out? The current murmurs centre around lines being drawn around the existing front line, although Ukraine won't be allowed to keep Kursk. Ukraine loses c20% of its land, (in addition to many of its displaced citizens), much of which is mineral rich so will struggle to pay its way. It will have to introduce a buffer zone akin to the DMZ in Korea. Plus no Nato membership. Trump will threaten to cut aid to Ukraine and simultaneously threaten to flood Ukraine with all it can to force Putin to the table. I really can't see what is in it for Ukraine, other than an uneasy and fragile peace. Russia gets what it has gained, easing of sanctions and breathing space to rearm. It may work along the lines of the Cold War but we could see European troops move in, including us, as 'Peacekeepers', but no US involvement. Ukraine has had security guarantees in the past, all broken. Hoping Trump surprises us, not convinced though. Both warring factions may carry on anyway, not that Ukraine would be able to. I think the only way it will work along the lines you suggest Stu is to allow Ukraine into NATO,whilst Russia would be totally against this it would be an effective deterrent to future incursions as the Russian army is no match for a fully engaged NATO as long as Trump fully commits the US,Putin only understands strength he sees weakness as an opportunity to exploit. If we leave it to European countries to maintain a DMZ ,I fear there would be no collective response . I can't see NATO as an organisation being too willing to introduce a country at war into the agreement. That in itself is effectively a declaration of war and I feel that NATO prefers a role as deterrent rather than aggressor. |
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Post by supergas on Nov 21, 2024 8:16:23 GMT
I think the only way it will work along the lines you suggest Stu is to allow Ukraine into NATO,whilst Russia would be totally against this it would be an effective deterrent to future incursions as the Russian army is no match for a fully engaged NATO as long as Trump fully commits the US,Putin only understands strength he sees weakness as an opportunity to exploit. If we leave it to European countries to maintain a DMZ ,I fear there would be no collective response . I can't see NATO as an organisation being too willing to introduce a country at war into the agreement. That in itself is effectively a declaration of war and I feel that NATO prefers a role as deterrent rather than aggressor. NATO won't admit Ukraine whilst Russia is still attacking it - and that's basically been one of Putin's key aims since he invaded Crimea in 2014 (six years after NATO offered Ukraine a Membership Action Plan). No matter what land he gains/loses, a far more important aim for him is that Ukraine does not join NATO. That's what will be a key part of any further peace negotiations. We already know from the short-lived 2022 negotiations that Russia is potentially willing to discuss giving back the land they have recently gained in exchange for Ukraine's NATO membership being taken off the table for good. It looks pretty clear now the end game is not what land Russia keeps but what the political future of Ukraine is. |
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