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Post by yattongas on Jun 10, 2024 16:26:55 GMT
Absolutely, sowing division in the West since he came to power. One of the many reasons why I thought Brexit was a really bad idea and Trump a disaster. On reflection your right,the re election of Trump in November would be make it even worse Don’t say that to francegas who’ll be rooting for the orange faced buffoon 🙄 |
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 18:22:28 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 10, 2024 18:34:38 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 18:48:17 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jun 10, 2024 18:55:38 GMT
Are we talking about Trump or France ? |
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 21:21:08 GMT
Are we talking about Trump or France ? Ha ha Trump. I managed to unintentionally upset France. |
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Post by francegas on Jun 11, 2024 7:11:38 GMT
On reflection your right,the re election of Trump in November would be make it even worse Don’t say that to francegas who’ll be rooting for the orange faced buffoon 🙄 First Gassy now you're resorting to putting words in my mouth. Since when have I been a supporter of Trump are you sure you and Gassy aren't the same person? 🤔 🙄. I don't support either of them. 300+ million people in the country and these two are the best they can come up with, a geriatric who is losing his marbles or a criminal....really! |
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Post by francegas on Jun 11, 2024 7:16:14 GMT
Are we talking about Trump or France ? Ha ha Trump. I managed to unintentionally upset France. You didn't upset me Oldie more the other way round when I asked you a simple question based on your experience and you totally lost your rag with your reply. |
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Post by oldie on Jun 11, 2024 7:29:08 GMT
Ha ha Trump. I managed to unintentionally upset France. You didn't upset me Oldie more the other way round when I asked you a simple question based on your experience and you totally lost your rag with your reply. Honestly didnt. But my language was blunt and rude. Sorry about that. |
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Post by francegas on Jun 11, 2024 7:41:19 GMT
You didn't upset me Oldie more the other way round when I asked you a simple question based on your experience and you totally lost your rag with your reply. Honestly didnt. But my language was blunt and rude. Sorry about that. No problem |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 11, 2024 7:44:39 GMT
UK MOD estimates that Russia has suffered half a million casualties so far, grim milestone.
One independent report about the battle for Bakhmut suggests that Russia suffered 20,000 fatalities, mostly ex prisoners under Wagner. Ukraine lost 9,000.
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Post by supergas on Jun 13, 2024 10:01:38 GMT
UK MOD estimates that Russia has suffered half a million casualties so far, grim milestone. One independent report about the battle for Bakhmut suggests that Russia suffered 20,000 fatalities, mostly ex prisoners under Wagner. Ukraine lost 9,000. I think we're probably reaching a point where the West is now busy working out how to prolong the war as long as possible. Russia can't afford to lose or withdraw, so it will continue to attack, whilst the West will *just* make sure Ukraine can defend itself, which will keeps Russia occupied for what could now be another 3/4 years. Otherwise why are we (the West) not ending it now by either diplomacy or force...? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 13, 2024 10:07:32 GMT
UK MOD estimates that Russia has suffered half a million casualties so far, grim milestone. One independent report about the battle for Bakhmut suggests that Russia suffered 20,000 fatalities, mostly ex prisoners under Wagner. Ukraine lost 9,000. I think we're probably reaching a point where the West is now busy working out how to prolong the war as long as possible. Russia can't afford to lose or withdraw, so it will continue to attack, whilst the West will *just* make sure Ukraine can defend itself, which will keeps Russia occupied for what could now be another 3/4 years. Otherwise why are we (the West) not ending it now by either diplomacy or force...? There's going to be a summit shortly, although not sure Russia wants to take part. How would we end this by force? |
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Post by supergas on Jun 13, 2024 10:17:45 GMT
I think we're probably reaching a point where the West is now busy working out how to prolong the war as long as possible. Russia can't afford to lose or withdraw, so it will continue to attack, whilst the West will *just* make sure Ukraine can defend itself, which will keeps Russia occupied for what could now be another 3/4 years. Otherwise why are we (the West) not ending it now by either diplomacy or force...? There's going to be a summit shortly, although not sure Russia wants to take part. How would we end this by force? Offer Ukraine more and more military support (either direct or indirect) to restore their original borders. As Russia can't really start anything else whilst trying and (hopefully) failing to take Ukraine, it means they are not preparing - let alone targeting - anyone else...so whilst it would never be announced as an aim of the West, the more you think about it there is no reason to end it any time soon... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 13, 2024 10:32:39 GMT
There's going to be a summit shortly, although not sure Russia wants to take part. How would we end this by force? Offer Ukraine more and more military support (either direct or indirect) to restore their original borders. As Russia can't really start anything else whilst trying and (hopefully) failing to take Ukraine, it means they are not preparing - let alone targeting - anyone else...so whilst it would never be announced as an aim of the West, the more you think about it there is no reason to end it any time soon... Apart from air power, which will take time, there really isn't much more we can provide, especially with the US elections coming up. What sort of things do you have in mind? There are also logistical issues and timescales to factor in. Getting directly involved is a non-starter. Russia can definitely cause more issues. |
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Post by supergas on Jun 13, 2024 10:53:33 GMT
Offer Ukraine more and more military support (either direct or indirect) to restore their original borders. As Russia can't really start anything else whilst trying and (hopefully) failing to take Ukraine, it means they are not preparing - let alone targeting - anyone else...so whilst it would never be announced as an aim of the West, the more you think about it there is no reason to end it any time soon... Apart from air power, which will take time, there really isn't much more we can provide, especially with the US elections coming up. What sort of things do you have in mind? There are also logistical issues and timescales to factor in. Getting directly involved is a non-starter. Russia can definitely cause more issues. Well my point is drawing it out actually has benefits for those countries not directly involved. Bad for Ukraine, bad for Russia, prevents things happening elsewhere... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 14, 2024 12:31:57 GMT
Summit in Switzerland this weekend, Putin has laid out his preconditions:
"Vladimir Putin has set out what he said were Russia's preconditions for starting peace talks with Ukraine.
He said Russia would be ready for such talks "tomorrow" if Ukrainian troops withdraw from the Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donetsk and Luhansk regions and if Ukraine gave up its plans to join NATO.
If Ukraine agreed to those conditions, he said Russia would cease fire and start negotiations."
I wouldn't trust him either. Nothing about Nazis or biolabs. Funny that.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 17, 2024 15:50:29 GMT
Anyone see the video on Sky news of a Rod Stewart concert in Germany where he projects an image of Zelenskyy behind him and some of the audience start booing ?
Quite shocked by this .
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 17, 2024 16:59:21 GMT
Anyone see the video on Sky news of a Rod Stewart concert in Germany where he projects an image of Zelenskyy behind him and some of the audience start booing ? Quite shocked by this . Former DDR? "Sir Rod Stewart responds after being booed at Germany gig for showing Ukraine flag The 79-year-old singer, who has Scottish roots, has been outspoken in his support for the war-torn country. He supported a family of seven refugees fleeing Russia’s invasion by helping them with lodging and bills. Rod Stewart displayed an image of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky on a big screen during his show. Before performing the track at Leipzig’s Quarterback Immobilien Arena on Friday, he displayed the flag of Ukraine on a projector behind him. The stage then displayed an image of Mr Zelensky on a big screen, while loud boos, shouts and whistles could be heard in videos posted on social media. Sir Rod said: “I have supported the Ukrainian people throughout this war. From arranging for members of my family to take supplies to the country, to renting a house in the UK for a Ukrainian family, as well as employing two Ukrainians as part of my touring crew. “So yes, I do support Zelensky and the people of Ukraine, and I will continue to do so. “Putin must be stopped. I’m having the time of my life playing for German audiences, sharing some special memories, and I’m looking forward to playing my remaining dates here.” Sir Rod previously organised with his family to hire lorries filled with supplies and had them driven to the border of Ukraine, before using the same vehicles to transport a group of refugees to safety in Berlin." www.scotsman.com/news/world/sir-rod-stewart-responds-after-being-booed-at-germany-gig-for-showing-ukraine-flag-and-picture-of-volodymyr-zelensky-4668987 |
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Post by aghast on Jun 17, 2024 21:13:40 GMT
Supporting Ukraine in conjunction with sympathising with Israel has become a weirdly Tory type combination.
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