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Post by supergas on Sept 19, 2024 9:27:56 GMT
Did anyone suggest the benefits would start on day one? Like the initial trading block and then the politicisation of the EU itself, you don't see the benefits straight away... So things should start ticking up about when ? 🙄😂 Well with things like this you would consider the medium term to be 5-10 years, but obviously Covid affected the first couple of those. Assuming Labour make good choices you'd expect to start to see the benefits from 2027-2032 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 19, 2024 9:58:29 GMT
Did anyone suggest the benefits would start on day one? Like the initial trading block and then the politicisation of the EU itself, you don't see the benefits straight away... On a slightly different note,did anyone see the John Major interview last evening,found it very interesting. Saw a headline about Rwanda being un-British but that's all. I liked John Major, although I disagreed with much of his premiership, he comes across as a decent bloke. Good work with the National Lottery and funding sports, his legacy still lives on. What did he cover? |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 19, 2024 10:34:56 GMT
So things should start ticking up about when ? 🙄😂 Well with things like this you would consider the medium term to be 5-10 years, but obviously Covid affected the first couple of those. Assuming Labour make good choices you'd expect to start to see the benefits from 2027-2032 Oh right , so it’ll be Labours fault ? How convenient 🙄😂 |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 19, 2024 16:19:00 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 19, 2024 17:19:18 GMT
Now who said our standards won't be reduced? I'm sure there had been discussions here about Project Fear. |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 19, 2024 19:44:11 GMT
On a slightly different note,did anyone see the John Major interview last evening,found it very interesting. Saw a headline about Rwanda being un-British but that's all. I liked John Major, although I disagreed with much of his premiership, he comes across as a decent bloke. Good work with the National Lottery and funding sports, his legacy still lives on. What did he cover? He covered a fair bit,the state of the current Tory party,how divided the Country was,Brexit etc . He talked a lot of sense ,I didn't realise what a difficult childhood he had ,no money and living in just two rooms in Brixton,very grounded. He's also 81 which surprised me . |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 19, 2024 20:29:28 GMT
Saw a headline about Rwanda being un-British but that's all. I liked John Major, although I disagreed with much of his premiership, he comes across as a decent bloke. Good work with the National Lottery and funding sports, his legacy still lives on. What did he cover? He covered a fair bit,the state of the current Tory party,how divided the Country was,Brexit etc . He talked a lot of sense ,I didn't realise what a difficult childhood he had ,no money and living in just two rooms in Brixton,very grounded. He's also 81 which surprised me . A very underrated and unappreciated PM. Pity he had to balance his eurosceptic wing trying to undermine him. I do wonder if he had a referendum on Maastricht or Blair had one in the late 90s (when the country was broadly in favour) if the farce we've been through recently could have been avoided. And they say history repeats itself. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 19, 2024 20:38:17 GMT
He covered a fair bit,the state of the current Tory party,how divided the Country was,Brexit etc . He talked a lot of sense ,I didn't realise what a difficult childhood he had ,no money and living in just two rooms in Brixton,very grounded. He's also 81 which surprised me . A very underrated and unappreciated PM. Pity he had to balance his eurosceptic wing trying to undermine him. I do wonder if he had a referendum on Maastricht or Blair had one in the late 90s (when the country was broadly in favour) if the farce we've been through recently could have been avoided. And they say history repeats itself. He knobbed Edwina ….. gotta be a wrong’un surely? |
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Post by aghast on Sept 19, 2024 21:06:23 GMT
He covered a fair bit,the state of the current Tory party,how divided the Country was,Brexit etc . He talked a lot of sense ,I didn't realise what a difficult childhood he had ,no money and living in just two rooms in Brixton,very grounded. He's also 81 which surprised me . A very underrated and unappreciated PM. Pity he had to balance his eurosceptic wing trying to undermine him. I do wonder if he had a referendum on Maastricht or Blair had one in the late 90s (when the country was broadly in favour) if the farce we've been through recently could have been avoided. And they say history repeats itself. I too had a lot of time for him, and despite not liking the party he represented, he was the acceptable pace of Toryism and a blessed relief after years of Thatcher. He's a decent man with decent values. Possibly in the wrong party. Edwina was unfortunate but these things happen. |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 19, 2024 21:13:11 GMT
He covered a fair bit,the state of the current Tory party,how divided the Country was,Brexit etc . He talked a lot of sense ,I didn't realise what a difficult childhood he had ,no money and living in just two rooms in Brixton,very grounded. He's also 81 which surprised me . A very underrated and unappreciated PM. Pity he had to balance his eurosceptic wing trying to undermine him. I do wonder if he had a referendum on Maastricht or Blair had one in the late 90s (when the country was broadly in favour) if the farce we've been through recently could have been avoided. And they say history repeats itself. Yep,the secrecy surrounding Maastricht in my view showed the seeds for Brexit ,Major is in fact the last one nation conservative,a mantle that Cameron tried to adopt but patently was not |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 19, 2024 21:16:19 GMT
A very underrated and unappreciated PM. Pity he had to balance his eurosceptic wing trying to undermine him. I do wonder if he had a referendum on Maastricht or Blair had one in the late 90s (when the country was broadly in favour) if the farce we've .been through recently could have been avoided. And they say history repeats itself. He knobbed Edwina ….. gotta be a wrong’un surely? Nah,he wasn't the first to stray and won't be the last. |
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Post by supergas on Sept 20, 2024 9:34:14 GMT
He covered a fair bit,the state of the current Tory party,how divided the Country was,Brexit etc . He talked a lot of sense ,I didn't realise what a difficult childhood he had ,no money and living in just two rooms in Brixton,very grounded. He's also 81 which surprised me . A very underrated and unappreciated PM. Pity he had to balance his eurosceptic wing trying to undermine him . I do wonder if he had a referendum on Maastricht or Blair had one in the late 90s (when the country was broadly in favour) if the farce we've been through recently could have been avoided. And they say history repeats itself. Obviously they considered holding one and chose not to, so the question is why they chose not to. The French did, passed in favour by 51% to 49%. The Danish voted against by 51% to 49% so were obviously asked again and gave the correct answer the second time around.... Would the UK really have voted to hand sovereignty over at Maastricht? |
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Post by supergas on Sept 20, 2024 9:36:57 GMT
Well with things like this you would consider the medium term to be 5-10 years, but obviously Covid affected the first couple of those. Assuming Labour make good choices you'd expect to start to see the benefits from 2027-2032 Oh right , so it’ll be Labours fault ? How convenient 🙄😂 TBF they screwed up a lot of the Brexit negotiations, so they should absolutely be held account for following through.... |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2024 9:53:41 GMT
Oh right , so it’ll be Labours fault ? How convenient 🙄😂 TBF they screwed up a lot of the Brexit negotiations, so they should absolutely be held account for following through.... Explain? |
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Post by supergas on Sept 20, 2024 11:20:39 GMT
TBF they screwed up a lot of the Brexit negotiations, so they should absolutely be held account for following through.... Explain? Were you not paying attention? Labour MPs under Corbyn (and then later Starmer) repeatedly voted against government policy to distrupt/delay Brexit negotiations. One specific example was when we all learned about how a "...humble address..." works... |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2024 11:24:28 GMT
Were you not paying attention? Labour MPs under Corbyn (and then later Starmer) repeatedly voted against government policy to distrupt/delay Brexit negotiations. One specific example was when we all learned about how a "...humble address..." works... I’m always paying attention Super , that’s why I voted remain. Keep up old boy 🙄 |
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Post by supergas on Sept 20, 2024 11:29:21 GMT
Were you not paying attention? Labour MPs under Corbyn (and then later Starmer) repeatedly voted against government policy to distrupt/delay Brexit negotiations. One specific example was when we all learned about how a "...humble address..." works... I’m always paying attention Super , that’s why I voted remain. Keep up old boy 🙄 Once the path was decided, surely we then do it as best we can. Anyone making it worse is then in the wrong...? |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2024 11:34:19 GMT
I’m always paying attention Super , that’s why I voted remain. Keep up old boy 🙄 Once the path was decided, surely we then do it as best we can. Anyone making it worse is then in the wrong...? I don’t accept that Labour made things worse. A sh** idea is a sh** idea how ever you try to present it. Obvs the likes of you can never admit this but some of us listened to experts . |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 20, 2024 11:53:07 GMT
Were you not paying attention? Labour MPs under Corbyn (and then later Starmer) repeatedly voted against government policy to distrupt/delay Brexit negotiations. One specific example was when we all learned about how a "...humble address..." works... So did Boris, JRM, et al. The government wasn't allowed to vote on the motions to decide options, had they done so Parliament would have likely chosen a Customs Union. It's not just Labour. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 20, 2024 11:55:37 GMT
I’m always paying attention Super , that’s why I voted remain. Keep up old boy 🙄 Once the path was decided, surely we then do it as best we can. Anyone making it worse is then in the wrong...? What path? Brexit meant something different to different people. Teresa May could have chosen a more conciliatory path but decided to pander to the ERG with her red lines, turning it into an internal party fight as much as anything. |
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