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Post by Gastafari on Apr 7, 2021 17:43:43 GMT
Of course Mr Anti-Racist. Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills you see racism where there is none. You cry: "listen to Black voices" then 'gloss' over any Black voice you disagree with. Yet again. Right on man ✌ Now you’re just being a bit of a knob . There we go. I've a hit a nerve, so you have to resort to that. No surprise. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 7, 2021 18:18:49 GMT
Now you’re just being a bit of a knob . There we go. I've a hit a nerve, so you have to resort to that. No surprise. Haha good try . Don’t flatter yourself 😂 I just find you quite amusing , you put forward as evidence that a couple of prem players didn’t take the knee so it vindicated your point .You pick a few other examples as supporting evidence but completely ignore the thousands of others who have a different opinion. You bang on and on about this Sowell guy who’s Opinion we must take as fact , then when I post an opinion post by someone that pulled it apart you harp on that’s it’s just his opinion. Warped logic. You also say there’s no such thing as anti racist , hey! did I just invent the word or what ? Ok then..... I don’t agree with people who are racist . Is that ok with you ? seconds thoughts don’t answer because I’ve better things to do than spend my evening replying to you . If you wanna claim that as a you win , fill your boots . |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 7, 2021 18:40:05 GMT
There we go. I've a hit a nerve, so you have to resort to that. No surprise. Haha good try . Don’t flatter yourself 😂 I just find you quite amusing , you put forward as evidence that a couple of prem players didn’t take the knee so it vindicated your point .You pick a few other examples as supporting evidence but completely ignore the thousands of others who have a different opinion. You bang on and on about this Sowell guy who’s Opinion we must take as fact , then when I post an opinion post by someone that pulled it apart you harp on that’s it’s just his opinion. Warped logic. You also say there’s no such thing as anti racist , hey! did I just invent the word or what ? Ok then..... I don’t agree with people who are racist . Is that ok with you ? seconds thoughts don’t answer because I’ve better things to do than spend my evening replying to you . If you wanna claim that as a you win , fill your boots . Christ. There's 6 complete and utter untruths in that rant. You've just decided to make a load of stuff up. Again, no real surprise from somebody of your ilk. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 7, 2021 18:43:32 GMT
Haha good try . Don’t flatter yourself 😂 I just find you quite amusing , you put forward as evidence that a couple of prem players didn’t take the knee so it vindicated your point .You pick a few other examples as supporting evidence but completely ignore the thousands of others who have a different opinion. You bang on and on about this Sowell guy who’s Opinion we must take as fact , then when I post an opinion post by someone that pulled it apart you harp on that’s it’s just his opinion. Warped logic. You also say there’s no such thing as anti racist , hey! did I just invent the word or what ? Ok then..... I don’t agree with people who are racist . Is that ok with you ? seconds thoughts don’t answer because I’ve better things to do than spend my evening replying to you . If you wanna claim that as a you win , fill your boots . Christ. There's 6 complete and utter untruths in that rant. You've just decided to make a load of stuff up. Again, no real surprise from somebody of your ilk. 😜 I’ve really got under your skin haven’t I ! Utg |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 7, 2021 18:54:25 GMT
Christ. There's 6 complete and utter untruths in that rant. You've just decided to make a load of stuff up. Again, no real surprise from somebody of your ilk. 😜 I’ve really got under your skin haven’t I ! Utg Thought you "had better things to do than spend your evening replying to Me"? Clearly yet another lie. You're just making it obvious that you're an embarrassing and pathetic WUM. That's fine by me. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 7, 2021 19:10:41 GMT
We can potentially agree on the outcomes, but what drives these situations in Afro Carribbean and white working class groups, do you think? The phenomenon of Life & Nature in its very existence is unequal. The World has never been a level playing field. It's not a level playing field geographically, culturally or politically. Disparities exist in everything. Of course, I dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Not necessarily "better or worse" but disparities indeed. But we are not going to argue that any negatives from those disparities cause the lower than average outcomes disproportionately within Afro Caribbean and white working class groups are we? We could, but then that goes back to why. What is your opinion? I am not trying to "win" an argument with you, but given your perspective its genuinely interesting. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 7, 2021 19:59:49 GMT
The phenomenon of Life & Nature in its very existence is unequal. The World has never been a level playing field. It's not a level playing field geographically, culturally or politically. Disparities exist in everything. Of course, I dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Not necessarily "better or worse" but disparities indeed. But we are not going to argue that any negatives from those disparities cause the lower than average outcomes disproportionately within Afro Caribbean and white working class groups are we? We could, but then that goes back to why. What is your opinion? I am not trying to "win" an argument with you, but given your perspective its genuinely interesting. Speaking specifically from the Afro Carribbean perspective I've already mentioned a few of them. Fathers not being around is imo the main thing focus should be on. Whether you like it or not, the 'culture' of fathers from Carribbean backgrounds having multiple kids with different mothers is a real one, of course the Anti-Racist brigade don't want to hear it. 'Ghetto Culture' is another main thing focus should be on. The disproportionate amount of kids getting shot, stabbed and killed due to this is mindblowing, again the Anti-Racist brigade don't want to hear it, they just pick up on why Black people are disproportionately stopped and searched, instead of actually caring for the reasons why. It's no coincidence why Afro-carribbean kids are 'struggling' in regards to education when you take into account the above. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 8, 2021 6:55:46 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 8, 2021 9:09:47 GMT
You're proving my point exactly. There's only so many times you can go on about 'Stereotypes', while putting your fingers in your ears, putting blindfolds on and totally ignoring the FACTS. The facts tell you that Afro-carribbeans have the highest number of single parent families in the UK. The overwhelming majority being single mothers. The same applies for American born 'African-Americans' in the States. Keep on pretending to care with your fake 'Anti-Racist' nonsense. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 8, 2021 9:20:45 GMT
There's only so many times you can go on about 'Stereotypes', while putting your fingers in your ears, putting blindfolds on and totally ignoring the FACTS. Thank you for the excellent working example of irony. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 8, 2021 9:33:17 GMT
There's only so many times you can go on about 'Stereotypes', while putting your fingers in your ears, putting blindfolds on and totally ignoring the FACTS. Thank you for the excellent working example of irony. Nothing ironic about it. No real surprise that you, just like Yatton are the ones that shouts the loudest and part of the 'Anti-racist' mob, that just pretend to care to make yourselves feel better. The real irony is that you don't want to listen to people from 'Black' backgrounds unless they agree with every single view you pretend to hold. You just love arguing for the sake of it, you've proven time and again that you don't really know what you're arguing about and keep on contradicting yourself. As you were. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 8, 2021 10:06:54 GMT
Thank you for the excellent working example of irony. Nothing ironic about it. No real surprise that you, just like Yatton are the ones that shouts the loudest and part of the 'Anti-racist' mob, that just pretend to care to make yourselves feel better. The real irony is that you don't want to listen to people from 'Black' backgrounds unless they agree with every single view you pretend to hold. You just love arguing for the sake of it, you've proven time and again that you don't really know what you're arguing about and keep on contradicting yourself. As you were. It is very ironic. You know nothing about me to be making assumptions about how I feel on this matter, so I'd suggest you wind your neck on there. I actually agreed with you on the social aspects being a factor, you are aware of that right? It seems like even if someone agrees with you, you'll still argue until the cows come home. All I said was that it isn't the only factor, and that I believe institutional racism still exists in places of the UK. You refuse to believe that, despite the evidence of it being there. Even the owner of the report you've loved quoting admitted that it could still be in the UK. But when I asked you to prove that it doesn't exist (because you said its a myth) you couldn't show a single fact that institutional racism doesn't exist. All you could do was go on about the same point of social backgrounds. You think too simplistically and fail to comprehend that it can be one thing. Some how you seem to think it can only be one of the other, and I really don't understand why. If you bothered to read posts and actually open your mind, you'd realise I wasn't contradicting myself at all - merely stating an opinion. You've shown in this thread multiple times though that only your opinion is correct and no one else can possible be slightly correct - you brand your opinion as fact, which is insanely delusional and dangerous. Mind you, should we be surprised? This is the same person who compared women on maternity leave as 'taking a holiday' and compared a female peaceful protest where they all sat on the floor, with the capitol riots. As you were. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 8, 2021 10:19:06 GMT
Nothing ironic about it. No real surprise that you, just like Yatton are the ones that shouts the loudest and part of the 'Anti-racist' mob, that just pretend to care to make yourselves feel better. The real irony is that you don't want to listen to people from 'Black' backgrounds unless they agree with every single view you pretend to hold. You just love arguing for the sake of it, you've proven time and again that you don't really know what you're arguing about and keep on contradicting yourself. As you were. It is very ironic. You know nothing about me to be making assumptions about how I feel on this matter, so I'd suggest you wind your neck on there. I actually agreed with you on the social aspects being a factor, you are aware of that right? It seems like even if someone agrees with you, you'll still argue until the cows come home. All I said was that it isn't the only factor, and that I believe institutional racism still exists in places of the UK. You refuse to believe that, despite the evidence of it being there. Even the owner of the report you've loved quoting admitted that it could still be in the UK. But when I asked you to prove that it doesn't exist (because you said its a myth) you couldn't show a single fact that institutional racism doesn't exist. All you could do was go on about the same point of social backgrounds. You think too simplistically and fail to comprehend that it can be one thing. Some how you seem to think it can only be one of the other, and I really don't understand why. If you bothered to read posts and actually open your mind, you'd realise I wasn't contradicting myself at all - merely stating an opinion. You've shown in this thread multiple times though that only your opinion is correct and no one else can possible be slightly correct - you brand your opinion as fact, which is insanely delusional and dangerous. Mind you, should we be surprised? This is the same person who compared women on maternity leave as 'taking a holiday' and compared a female peaceful protest where they all sat on the floor, with the capitol riots. As you were. Just what I’d expect from somebody of your ilk. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 8, 2021 10:21:32 GMT
Thank you for the excellent working example of irony. Nothing ironic about it. No real surprise that you, just like Yatton are the ones that shouts the loudest and part of the 'Anti-racist' mob, that just pretend to care to make yourselves feel better. The real irony is that you don't want to listen to people from 'Black' backgrounds unless they agree with every single view you pretend to hold. You just love arguing for the sake of it, you've proven time and again that you don't really know what you're arguing about and keep on contradicting yourself. As you were. We’re all in the anti racist mob aren’t we , Or are you in the other mob ? |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 8, 2021 10:22:27 GMT
It is very ironic. You know nothing about me to be making assumptions about how I feel on this matter, so I'd suggest you wind your neck on there. I actually agreed with you on the social aspects being a factor, you are aware of that right? It seems like even if someone agrees with you, you'll still argue until the cows come home. All I said was that it isn't the only factor, and that I believe institutional racism still exists in places of the UK. You refuse to believe that, despite the evidence of it being there. Even the owner of the report you've loved quoting admitted that it could still be in the UK. But when I asked you to prove that it doesn't exist (because you said its a myth) you couldn't show a single fact that institutional racism doesn't exist. All you could do was go on about the same point of social backgrounds. You think too simplistically and fail to comprehend that it can be one thing. Some how you seem to think it can only be one of the other, and I really don't understand why. If you bothered to read posts and actually open your mind, you'd realise I wasn't contradicting myself at all - merely stating an opinion. You've shown in this thread multiple times though that only your opinion is correct and no one else can possible be slightly correct - you brand your opinion as fact, which is insanely delusional and dangerous. Mind you, should we be surprised? This is the same person who compared women on maternity leave as 'taking a holiday' and compared a female peaceful protest where they all sat on the floor, with the capitol riots. As you were. Just what I’d expect from somebody of your ilk. Another beautiful sense of irony that he says the main issues of society come from class and societal background. Yet, if you disagree with him - you get insulted and stereotyped for being from a different background. Couldn’t make it up |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 8, 2021 10:25:06 GMT
Just what I’d expect from somebody of your ilk. Another beautiful sense of irony that he says the main issues of society come from class and societal background. Yet, if you disagree with him - you get insulted and stereotyped for being from a different background. Couldn’t make it up Haha there’s a pattern developing with certain posters and how they portray their viewpoints and anyone who dares to disagree with them . All the fun of a football forum sub section 😀 |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 8, 2021 10:33:26 GMT
Nothing ironic about it. No real surprise that you, just like Yatton are the ones that shouts the loudest and part of the 'Anti-racist' mob, that just pretend to care to make yourselves feel better. The real irony is that you don't want to listen to people from 'Black' backgrounds unless they agree with every single view you pretend to hold. You just love arguing for the sake of it, you've proven time and again that you don't really know what you're arguing about and keep on contradicting yourself. As you were. It is very ironic. You know nothing about me to be making assumptions about how I feel on this matter, so I'd suggest you wind your neck on there. I actually agreed with you on the social aspects being a factor, you are aware of that right? It seems like even if someone agrees with you, you'll still argue until the cows come home. All I said was that it isn't the only factor, and that I believe institutional racism still exists in places of the UK. You refuse to believe that, despite the evidence of it being there. Even the owner of the report you've loved quoting admitted that it could still be in the UK. But when I asked you to prove that it doesn't exist (because you said its a myth) you couldn't show a single fact that institutional racism doesn't exist. All you could do was go on about the same point of social backgrounds. You think too simplistically and fail to comprehend that it can be one thing. Some how you seem to think it can only be one of the other, and I really don't understand why. If you bothered to read posts and actually open your mind, you'd realise I wasn't contradicting myself at all - merely stating an opinion. You've shown in this thread multiple times though that only your opinion is correct and no one else can possible be slightly correct - you brand your opinion as fact, which is insanely delusional and dangerous. Mind you, should we be surprised? This is the same person who compared women on maternity leave as 'taking a holiday' and compared a female peaceful protest where they all sat on the floor, with the capitol riots. As you were. Honestly. Just like Yatton, you've just decided to tell a pack of lies. The fact that you feel the need to outright lie to try and make a point, quite frankly makes the point null and void. I've listed countless factors, you've just chosen to not take any notice of them. All I said was that there were many major factors that were more important issues than institutional racism. Indeed I do believe that institutional racism being a factor is a myth. You just named things such as more Black Women dying in Child Birth as being down to racism. When it's simply a genetic fact that happens to Black women all over the World, from Britain to Burkina Faso. I haven't said that only my opinion is correct, but when you reel off things that are simply a Biological, Genetic fact and use it as sn example of racism, i'll pull you up on it. On your final 2 points, I think those conversations were because you got the wrong end of the stick, yet again and kept arguing for the sake of it. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 8, 2021 10:36:31 GMT
Just what I’d expect from somebody of your ilk. Another beautiful sense of irony that he says the main issues of society come from class and societal background. Yet, if you disagree with him - you get insulted and stereotyped for being from a different background. Couldn’t make it up Insulted? Who have I insulted? The only person using insulting language was Yatton. I thought you were Mr Editor, haven't edited that though, have you? |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 8, 2021 10:39:44 GMT
It is very ironic. You know nothing about me to be making assumptions about how I feel on this matter, so I'd suggest you wind your neck on there. I actually agreed with you on the social aspects being a factor, you are aware of that right? It seems like even if someone agrees with you, you'll still argue until the cows come home. All I said was that it isn't the only factor, and that I believe institutional racism still exists in places of the UK. You refuse to believe that, despite the evidence of it being there. Even the owner of the report you've loved quoting admitted that it could still be in the UK. But when I asked you to prove that it doesn't exist (because you said its a myth) you couldn't show a single fact that institutional racism doesn't exist. All you could do was go on about the same point of social backgrounds. You think too simplistically and fail to comprehend that it can be one thing. Some how you seem to think it can only be one of the other, and I really don't understand why. If you bothered to read posts and actually open your mind, you'd realise I wasn't contradicting myself at all - merely stating an opinion. You've shown in this thread multiple times though that only your opinion is correct and no one else can possible be slightly correct - you brand your opinion as fact, which is insanely delusional and dangerous. Mind you, should we be surprised? This is the same person who compared women on maternity leave as 'taking a holiday' and compared a female peaceful protest where they all sat on the floor, with the capitol riots. As you were. Honestly. Just like Yatton, you've just decided to tell a pack of lies. The fact that you feel the need to outright lie to try and make a point, quite frankly makes the point null and void. I've listed countless factors, you've just chosen to not take any notice of them. All I said was that there were many major factors that were more important issues than institutional racism. Indeed I do believe that institutional racism being a factor is a myth. You just named things such as more Black Women dying in Child Birth as being down to racism. When it's simply a genetic fact that happens to Black women all over the World, from Britain to Burkina Faso. I haven't said that only my opinion is correct, but when you reel off things that are simply a Biological, Genetic fact and use it as sn example of racism, i'll pull you up on it. On your final 2 points, I think those conversations were because you got the wrong end of the stick, yet again and kept arguing for the sake of it. What a complete pack of lies ! easy this game , we can all play it 🙄 |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 8, 2021 10:42:23 GMT
It is very ironic. You know nothing about me to be making assumptions about how I feel on this matter, so I'd suggest you wind your neck on there. I actually agreed with you on the social aspects being a factor, you are aware of that right? It seems like even if someone agrees with you, you'll still argue until the cows come home. All I said was that it isn't the only factor, and that I believe institutional racism still exists in places of the UK. You refuse to believe that, despite the evidence of it being there. Even the owner of the report you've loved quoting admitted that it could still be in the UK. But when I asked you to prove that it doesn't exist (because you said its a myth) you couldn't show a single fact that institutional racism doesn't exist. All you could do was go on about the same point of social backgrounds. You think too simplistically and fail to comprehend that it can be one thing. Some how you seem to think it can only be one of the other, and I really don't understand why. If you bothered to read posts and actually open your mind, you'd realise I wasn't contradicting myself at all - merely stating an opinion. You've shown in this thread multiple times though that only your opinion is correct and no one else can possible be slightly correct - you brand your opinion as fact, which is insanely delusional and dangerous. Mind you, should we be surprised? This is the same person who compared women on maternity leave as 'taking a holiday' and compared a female peaceful protest where they all sat on the floor, with the capitol riots. As you were. Honestly. Just like Yatton, you've just decided to tell a pack of lies. The fact that you feel the need to outright lie to try and make a point, quite frankly makes the point null and void. I've listed countless factors, you've just chosen to not take any notice of them. All I said was that there were many major factors that were more important issues than institutional racism. Indeed I do believe that institutional racism being a factor is a myth. You just named things such as more Black Women dying in Child Birth as being down to racism. When it's simply a genetic fact that happens to Black women all over the World, from Britain to Burkina Faso. I haven't said that only my opinion is correct, but when you reel off things that are simply a Biological, Genetic fact and use it as sn example of racism, i'll pull you up on it. On your final 2 points, I think those conversations were because you got the wrong end of the stick, yet again and kept arguing for the sake of it. I haven't lied at all. Yes, you've listed some factors - but deny institutional racism exists in the UK. You can't back that up, you can only give statistics about other areas. As I said yesterday, proving the colour green exists, doesn't prove that the colour red doesn't exist. I named black women dying as one factor, it was the only point you seemed to pick on as it's the only point you could argue against. Even then, your entire statement about Asian women was incorrect. You've stated your opinion multiple times and then refer to anyone who doesn't agree with it as ignoring the facts. That's a fact. On the last point, I didn't get the wrong end at all. You made a direct comparison of a woman taking maternity to being on holiday. Then you made a direct comparison of a peaceful protest Vs the riots and said "it's happened before". There is only one end of the stick to get there. You say I'm arguing for the sake of it, but I am the person who has conceded any point and has the open mind to accepting other possibilities. The same cannot be said for yourself. |
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