We have to talk about VAR

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"Replays showed the decision was made with Firmino’s armpit determined to be in an offside position, with mere millimetres in it.



The Premier League’s official Twitter account said of the incident: "Liverpool's Roberto Firmino was flagged offside before putting the ball in the net against Aston Villa and the decision was confirmed by VAR.



"The red line signifies Firmino and was aligned to his armpit, which was marginally ahead of the last Villa defender."



and here is the problem. VAR is making decisions based on millimeters, yet it cannot define just when the ball left the foot to be played forward? It's absurd.
Check it out....VAR does not know when the ball left the foot, yet they are making decisions based on millimeters.

In it's present set-up, VAR will destroy football we know it.

[Gas Go Marching In]

No we don't, I'm fed up of everyone talking about it.

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Nov 2, 2019 21:38:03 GMT @nobbygas said:

"Replays showed the decision was made with Firmino’s armpit determined to be in an offside position, with mere millimetres in it.



The Premier League’s official Twitter account said of the incident: "Liverpool's Roberto Firmino was flagged offside before putting the ball in the net against Aston Villa and the decision was confirmed by VAR.



"The red line signifies Firmino and was aligned to his armpit, which was marginally ahead of the last Villa defender."



and here is the problem. VAR is making decisions based on millimeters, yet it cannot define just when the ball left the foot to be played forward? It's absurd.
Check it out....VAR does not know when the ball left the foot, yet they are making decisions based on millimeters.

In it's present set-up, VAR will destroy football we know it.

Give the attacker the benefit of doubt, only overturn clear and obvious errors and go back to ‘daylight’ being the barometer for offside which is a clearer way to show when an attacker is gaining an obvious and genuine advantage. 

[William Wilson]

Nov 3, 2019 8:53:01 GMT eric said:

Nov 2, 2019 21:38:03 GMT @nobbygas said:

"Replays showed the decision was made with Firmino’s armpit determined to be in an offside position, with mere millimetres in it.



The Premier League’s official Twitter account said of the incident: "Liverpool's Roberto Firmino was flagged offside before putting the ball in the net against Aston Villa and the decision was confirmed by VAR.



"The red line signifies Firmino and was aligned to his armpit, which was marginally ahead of the last Villa defender."



and here is the problem. VAR is making decisions based on millimeters, yet it cannot define just when the ball left the foot to be played forward? It's absurd.
Check it out....VAR does not know when the ball left the foot, yet they are making decisions based on millimeters.

In it's present set-up, VAR will destroy football we know it.

Give the attacker the benefit of doubt, only overturn clear and obvious errors and go back to ‘daylight’ being the barometer for offside which is a clearer way to show when an attacker is gaining an obvious and genuine advantage. 

Agreed. Also, it`s taking away a lot of the spontaneity of the game.  When you`ve been leaping about like your trousers are on fire for 30 seconds, you don`t want to spend the next couple of minutes in limbo, while VAR checks to see if there`s the most infinitesimal possibility of offside.
Imagine if Lee Brown`s late late winner had been ruled out, because his bell end was fractionally ahead of the last Dagenham defender.  I`d still be suffering.

[Somersetgas]

Nov 2, 2019 23:26:15 GMT Gas Go Marching In said:

No we don't, I'm fed up of everyone talking about it.

Yes we can, just because you don’t want to, just don’t comment, this site isn’t all about you .

[Somersetgas]

Nov 2, 2019 21:38:03 GMT @nobbygas said:

"Replays showed the decision was made with Firmino’s armpit determined to be in an offside position, with mere millimetres in it.



The Premier League’s official Twitter account said of the incident: "Liverpool's Roberto Firmino was flagged offside before putting the ball in the net against Aston Villa and the decision was confirmed by VAR.



"The red line signifies Firmino and was aligned to his armpit, which was marginally ahead of the last Villa defender."



and here is the problem. VAR is making decisions based on millimeters, yet it cannot define just when the ball left the foot to be played forward? It's absurd.
Check it out....VAR does not know when the ball left the foot, yet they are making decisions based on millimeters.

In it's present set-up, VAR will destroy football we know it.

VAR and everything that goes with it is destroying football, the game is dead, scheduled latches like Manchester United an Bournemouth for twelve is a joke, even if lost of the fans come from the south!

[stapletongas]

It's being used to referee the game, rather than the ref doing the job and VAR only being used to correct clear and obvious.

It is going against the principle that the referee is in charge and that is breaching the laws of the game.

[craggo]

VAR is exactly the same as the screens in both codes of Rugby, They still get things wrong and it is still about somebodys opinion. Go back to how it was. With the saying, It levels itself out over a season.

[warehamgas]

So what if his armpit is offside, if he scored with it then it becomes relevant perhaps. But he didn’t so it wasn’t. If his feet or head is offside fair enough. Having seen all of Bournemouth’s home matches I can honestly say that among the fans I sit with VAR is becoming more confusing rather than less. What we understood to be the case, where there is a clear and obvious error appears not to be that now. Normally new innovations become clearer and are absorbed into the game as the season goes on. With VAR this is not happening. Fans are now totally confused if at a match because it doesn’t always get shown on a screen.
UTG!

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Nov 6, 2019 14:02:51 GMT warehamgas said:

So what if his armpit is offside, if he scored with it then it becomes relevant perhaps. But he didn’t so it wasn’t. If his feet or head is offside fair enough. Having seen all of Bournemouth’s home matches I can honestly say that among the fans I sit with VAR is becoming more confusing rather than less. What we understood to be the case, where there is clear errors appears not bro be that now. Normally new innovations become clearer and are absorbed into the game as the season goes on. With VAR this is not happening.
UTG!

If they are being so definitive on the offside, using these stupid lines across the screen, then they should adopt the rules from Athletics and use the chest as the measuring point. But that still goes back to my original complaint in that VAR still cannot define the exact moment the ball left the foot to be played forward. If you cannot define that then how they claim to know the exact moment to be measured?
The main argument for the introduction of VAR was that it would mean we get the right decisions being made. It is quite clear that this is not the case.
Last night, Chelsea had a winning goal wiped out for handball. If that same incident had happened and the ball had hit the defender's arm instead, nothing would have happened. No penalty. How can you have two outcomes for the same 'offence'?

VAR is a mess and they need to go back to the drawing board.

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It’s a shame that football fans cannot be trusted to view action replays on the large screens that most Prem grounds have. Reputation is rightly tarnished by many years of bad behaviour and I guess the fear is of violence flaring if contentious decisions/issues get shown? I appreciate this only applies to a very small minority of fans btw.

[William Wilson]

VAR came about because managers in the PL complained that referees weren`t getting the big decisions right. You`d hear it from the losing coach, after just about every game on MOTD.
But truth be told, those selfsame managers couldn`t care less if the referee`s decision was right or not, as long as it went in their favour.
How many winning coaches did you ever hear complain, when they were the recipient of a dubious last minute penalty?
What`s VAR going to change, when so many decisions are based on an individual`s interpretation of events?
VAR or not, I doubt if you`ll ever see the likes of Neil Warnock appearing before the cameras, singing "Perfect day."
Human nature being what it is, losing coaches/players will carry on whining, same as ever.
As it stands, I think it`s causing as many problems as it solves.

[warehamgas]

Nov 6, 2019 16:05:01 GMT William Wilson said:

VAR came about because managers in the PL complained that referees weren`t getting the big decisions right. You`d hear it from the losing coach, after just about every game on MOTD.
But truth be told, those selfsame managers couldn`t care less if the referee`s decision was right or not, as long as it went in their favour.
How many winning coaches did you ever hear complain, when they were the recipient of a dubious last minute penalty?
What`s VAR going to change, when so many decisions are based on an individual`s interpretation of events?
VAR or not, I doubt if you`ll ever see the likes of Neil Warnock appearing before the cameras, singing "Perfect day."
Human nature being what it is, losing coaches/players will carry on whining, same as ever.
As it stands, I think it`s causing as many problems as it solves.

Yes, pretty much that. I saw VAR for first time in Australian A League, twice in same match. It was the right way to do it but took a long time about 2 and a half minutes each time. Now we have seen that for many managers (all?) it’s not about getting it right but getting it in our favour.
It will take a long time to sort it out so that it works efficiently. They will do it, they have to, but this season is probably going to get worse before it gets better.
UTG!

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Nov 9, 2019 21:04:02 GMT pirate said:

VAR was not introduced to deal with such fine margins as that. It's needs scraping right now, with some serious thought taken as to how it proceeds in the future. Remember the days not so long ago when it was deemed there had to be clear light between the attacker and the defender before off side was given? I still say they should measure from the chest of the attacker, as in athletics.
Also, why in the Liverpool v Man City game is all the talk about whether TAA handled in the area before Liverpool's first goal? It only hit his arm after being deflected that way by the ball deflecting of the hand of Silva (?). How has football got to the point where one handball (by the attacker) is ok and ignored, but the ball hitting the defender's arm is a penalty? It's pure nonsense.