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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 19:10:23 GMT
Our manager has just said on the BBC forum that he feels that getting young lads in from the emerald Isle is not helped by the Irish clubs in general being a little greedy on the financial side. He insinuated that they are not so interested in sell on stuff etc in contracts.
Still would like to sign him though, so that would appear to be the position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 19:20:27 GMT
UCD Manager says that it’s not fair on Scales. Come on Rovers wake up and make a decision. Last season we procrastinated about signing a striker the process seemed to be a fiasco and eventually SP not the intended first choice signed very "late in the day" which didn't work out for the player or the club. At mid season we signed a striker just before the deadline, it appeared to require a monumental effort by the manager to get this one over the line just in time. This turned out to be a fabulous signing, the player kept us up. Traditionally Rovers have always signed young talented players looking to establish careers in the Football league, Barry Hayles, Jason Roberts and Nathan Ellington all went on to establish themselves in the Premier League. However in the case of Liam Scales current senior white collar members of the club have been rather good at managing "RADIO SILENCE", which is a despicable way to behave towards the player. An attitude change is required within the club, this potential signing has not been managed at all well. Mate, I have no ITK on this potential transfer deal but 3 things come to mind - 1. Don’t believe everything you read in the press, as Coughlan said previously - a lot of what has been written and supposedly quoted has possibly been fabricated or exaggerated; 2. Maybe Brexit implications might be affecting the contracting - I know that I’m curt having a nightmare with trying to sort out commercials and ongoing payments to various EU based 3rd parties in the event of a no deal Brexit and at the moment we have no idea what is going to land there or what impact that could have (especially if we are going to be liable for future sell on clauses and or if we are structure a fee in instalments and 3. Could it be that we had a deal but not signed and now the interest from others has resulted in the player or his current club suddenly now trying to negotiate a new deal? We have no idea what the ‘paperwork issue’ (even if it is that) is. People are quick to point the blame at us (and it could well be, we just don’t know) when it could be anything and nothing to do with us. Difference is is that WE don’t like to air our dirty laundry in public and keep things that should be behind the scenes, kept behind the scenes and not in the public eye. People should stop constantly having a go at our board and club without knowing the actual facts as the press are 99% of the time not entirely factual or truthful... |
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Post by smudge1 on Jul 29, 2019 19:26:28 GMT
Sounds like we have made an offer but club are touting him around. Looks like they have ruined it for him as we are playing hardball.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jul 29, 2019 19:34:30 GMT
Listening to GC ( here at Ashton gate) it sounds like UCD are the ones watering about with future transfer % fees.
Maybe the UCD manager with all the press releases is trying to create interest to get the best deal for UCD.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 29, 2019 19:34:41 GMT
GC just said the problem is not our end its Irish paperwork holding things up I thought what thier manager said, was a bit dodgy all along. At first he said we had signed him, then he went on to say, it's up to him, who he signs for etc. He changed his story a few times. Think he's trying to get more money for him, as others were interested. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2019 21:51:51 GMT
No idea? We've signed enough players this summer to suggest that we're not about to become the next Bury/Bolton. You may be right Topper but I thought that was the problem with Bury, they signed everything that breathed two years ago and did lots of business last year. I’m not sure signing players is a sign of financial stability, it was in Bury’s a sign of digging an even deeper hole for themselves. UTG! |
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Post by roosty56 on Jul 30, 2019 5:12:27 GMT
Regardless of whose right or wrong in this debacle, a thought has to go out to Liam Scales, his head must be spinning so much ,basically it’s sad
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 30, 2019 12:27:25 GMT
GC just said the problem is not our end its Irish paperwork holding things up I thought what thier manager said, was a bit dodgy all along. At first he said we had signed him, then he went on to say, it's up to him, who he signs for etc. He changed his story a few times. Think he's trying to get more money for him, as others were interested.
How novel, a club trying to get the best possible deal for their better players. Maybe our own club should take note...
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 30, 2019 13:20:11 GMT
I thought what thier manager said, was a bit dodgy all along. At first he said we had signed him, then he went on to say, it's up to him, who he signs for etc. He changed his story a few times. Think he's trying to get more money for him, as others were interested.
How novel, a club trying to get the best possible deal for their better players. Maybe our own club should take note...
Wouldn't want our club to act like that. It was them that said we had signed him, when we were in early talks. To try and drum up business. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 30, 2019 13:25:21 GMT
How novel, a club trying to get the best possible deal for their better players. Maybe our own club should take note...
Wouldn't want our club to act like that. It was them that said we had signed him, when we were in early talks. To try and drum up business. Plus the club get a lot of stick, but most the player's left for peanuts, while we were having success giving out one years and gained back to back promotions, using that method. Player's battled for the shirt, for contacts and we heard fans singing we got our Rover's back. Giving out longer deals, you run the risk of getting stuck with player's, you don't want. Like we are now. So debatable which method is better. Plus we would have lost the snake for nothing, if the clause was not included. So atleast we got a small fee and an extra few months from him. Football is easy with hindsight. That player should have been tied down for longer, that player, should have only been signed on a one year deal etc. Didn't hear anyone moaning when we got back to back promotions, using that method. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 30, 2019 13:35:26 GMT
How novel, a club trying to get the best possible deal for their better players. Maybe our own club should take note...
Wouldn't want our club to act like that. It was them that said we had signed him, when we were in early talks. To try and drum up business.
No different to agents then?
Don't see anything wrong with trying to 'drum up business' to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 13:41:37 GMT
After all this we will probably sign him for £40,000 play him in a 6-0 defeat at rochdale where the player he was marking scored 4 goals and then never see him in a rovers shirt again!
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 30, 2019 13:48:49 GMT
Wouldn't want our club to act like that. It was them that said we had signed him, when we were in early talks. To try and drum up business.
No different to agents then?
Don't see anything wrong with trying to 'drum up business' to be fair.
What do people say about agents, he's supposed to be a manager, not an agent. His should concentrate on football. They are losing every week and have suffered some heavy defeats. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 30, 2019 13:58:23 GMT
No different to agents then?
Don't see anything wrong with trying to 'drum up business' to be fair.
What do people say about agents, he's supposed to be a manager, not an agent. His should concentrate on football. They are losing every week and have suffered some heavy defeats.
What so he should accept the first offer made for his better players?
They are a small club in Ireland, fair play to them for trying every trick in the book to get more money for their stars.
If we don't like something they want in the contract, we can just walk away. Nobody is holding a gun to the clubs head...
Its not nice seeing your best players get sold but id have more respect for Rovers if the deals were long and drawn out like this, at least that shows we are trying to get a good deal rather than sell to the first bidder as it seems like we do.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 30, 2019 14:47:51 GMT
What do people say about agents, he's supposed to be a manager, not an agent. His should concentrate on football. They are losing every week and have suffered some heavy defeats.
What so he should accept the first offer made for his better players?
They are a small club in Ireland, fair play to them for trying every trick in the book to get more money for their stars.
If we don't like something they want in the contract, we can just walk away. Nobody is holding a gun to the clubs head...
Its not nice seeing your best players get sold but id have more respect for Rovers if the deals were long and drawn out like this, at least that shows we are trying to get a good deal rather than sell to the first bidder as it seems like we do.
If they are not happy with the bid, they should say that's not acceptable, we want X amount. Not tell the media he has signed for us already. We don't know if they are trying to change the deal. Why would they let him travel to Bristol etc, if we had not agreed a fee??? I just feel sorry for the player. Being messed around like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 15:00:43 GMT
After all this we will probably sign him for £40,000 play him in a 6-0 defeat at rochdale where the player he was marking scored 4 goals and then never see him in a rovers shirt again! Ha, ha, I can see you are a long serving fan 😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 16:03:52 GMT
After all this we will probably sign him for £40,000 play him in a 6-0 defeat at rochdale where the player he was marking scored 4 goals and then never see him in a rovers shirt again! A bit like that Burn lad who got roasted away to Bradford and then disappeared |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 16:07:01 GMT
Honestly I'm so over this transfer, if it wasn't yet another defender I'd probably care more.
It's like the captain of the Titanic asking for extra maintenance to be done on the smoke stacks in case they pack in.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 30, 2019 19:52:31 GMT
What so he should accept the first offer made for his better players?
They are a small club in Ireland, fair play to them for trying every trick in the book to get more money for their stars.
If we don't like something they want in the contract, we can just walk away. Nobody is holding a gun to the clubs head...
Its not nice seeing your best players get sold but id have more respect for Rovers if the deals were long and drawn out like this, at least that shows we are trying to get a good deal rather than sell to the first bidder as it seems like we do.
If they are not happy with the bid, they should say that's not acceptable, we want X amount. Not tell the media he has signed for us already. We don't know if they are trying to change the deal. Why would they let him travel to Bristol etc, if we had not agreed a fee??? I just feel sorry for the player. Being messed around like that. Then like I said before we should say "no thanks" and walk away. Spend the wages on a player we actually need to win matches |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 19:57:00 GMT
The thing is, a central defender with pace may be very important to us in winning games.
I love watching Tony Craig and think he has been a fantastic signing for us, but at 34 pace isn't his strength and without Lockyer's speed and ability to read a game alongside him, I do fear that he and Davies may get done for pace at times this season. An injection of pace for certain games or to enable us to play 3 centre halves could be invaluable and perhaps explain why we're so keen to get this deal done.
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