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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 8:26:35 GMT
Just thought I'd report on the German Cup Final. This year (same as last year) it was Eintracht Frankfurt v Bayern Munich, and as always Bayern were going to win....weren't they? Background: Although playing in one of the richest cities in Germany, and getting home crowds of 50,000+, Eintracht are actually skint. They don't own their ground and have to pay 12 million Euro a year in rent. They don't buy any players, but just pick up freebies and loans. Bayern are of course giants of the game and take anything they want from any other club in Germany. In fact, the current Eintracht coach (Niko Kovac) is joining Bayern after the Cup Final ! On the day of the game the odds on Eintracht winning 3-1 were 100-1. That pretty much sums up what the bookies thought......and bejesus, Eintracht only went on to win 3-1 ! The third goal was very similar to Rovers v Shrewsbury all those years ago, with the Eintracht lad racing from halfway inside his own half to roll the ball into the empty net deep into added on time! The city of Frankfurt went mad, and on Sunday when the players brought the cup back, there were 250,000 people in the centre. A cracking day for the underdogs  Goals |
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Post by pirate on May 23, 2018 11:22:10 GMT
The Croatian international Ante Rebic has been quality for Frankfurt from highlights I've seen this season.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 11:40:29 GMT
The Croatian international Ante Rebic has been quality for Frankfurt from highlights I've seen this season. Yeah, he took both his goals well. His main problem here is that he can't speak a word of German ! |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 9:30:52 GMT
As a follow up, it is worth mentioning what happened at the finish of the game, when the medals were handed out. You'll now understand why Bayern are the most hated club in Germany.
After getting their runners-up medals, the whole Bayern squad and management disappeared back into the changing rooms. Only one person, Manual Neuer (the injured Keeper) stayed to clap the winners getting their medals. He stood on his own and applauded the Eintracht players. It showed that as a club, Bayern just have no class. They have been widely ridiculed throughout Germany.
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Post by William Wilson on May 26, 2018 12:24:15 GMT
What`s gone wrong at Hamburg, Nobby? I lived and worked in the Fatherland from the mid 70`s until the early 80`s, and we used to go and watch them.
That was when Keegan played for them and they were a force to be reckoned with, both domestically and in Europe. Not now, apparently.
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Post by pirate on May 26, 2018 12:52:18 GMT
What`s gone wrong at Hamburg, Nobby? I lived and worked in the Fatherland from the mid 70`s until the early 80`s, and we used to go and watch them. That was when Keegan played for them and they were a force to be reckoned with, both domestically and in Europe. Not now, apparently. Having watched a bit of German football, it seems to be a combination of too many managers (9 in 10 years), a lack of goals and poor signings. |
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Post by mayhews on Sept 26, 2018 9:26:27 GMT
What`s gone wrong at Hamburg, Nobby? I lived and worked in the Fatherland from the mid 70`s until the early 80`s, and we used to go and watch them. That was when Keegan played for them and they were a force to be reckoned with, both domestically and in Europe. Not now, apparently. Not as bad a fall from grace as the team i used to watch regularly when i lived in Germany for a couple years Kaiserslautern FC . They had just won the bundesliga the year before i went over and have now for the first time in their history dropped down to the third tier of german football. They are a huge club and it's a scandal they are down there . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:52:01 GMT
What`s gone wrong at Hamburg, Nobby? I lived and worked in the Fatherland from the mid 70`s until the early 80`s, and we used to go and watch them. That was when Keegan played for them and they were a force to be reckoned with, both domestically and in Europe. Not now, apparently. Not as bad a fall from grace as the team i used to watch regularly when i lived in Germany for a couple years Kaiserslautern FC . They had just won the bundesliga the year before i went over and have now for the first time in their history dropped down to the third tier of german football. They are a huge club and it's a scandal they are down there . The old story. Financial mismanagement, had to sell their ground, points deducted etc. This led to lack of quality signings as no money was available, and naturally, with no money this also leads to poor coaches/managers being appointed as nobody wants to go somewhere when they can't sign anyone decent.....which all results in even worse results, even less money etc, and it then becomes a spiral downwards. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 26, 2018 22:59:29 GMT
Not as bad a fall from grace as the team i used to watch regularly when i lived in Germany for a couple years Kaiserslautern FC . They had just won the bundesliga the year before i went over and have now for the first time in their history dropped down to the third tier of german football. They are a huge club and it's a scandal they are down there . The old story. Financial mismanagement, had to sell their ground, points deducted etc. This led to lack of quality signings as no money was available, and naturally, with no money this also leads to poor coaches/managers being appointed as nobody wants to go somewhere when they can't sign anyone decent.....which all results in even worse results, even less money etc, and it then becomes a spiral downwards. Interesting story. I used to wonder, if everything about German football was so well organised, how any teams actually got relegated. I kind of assumed they just had a lot of draws, and the odd defeat allowed a few to slip through the net. Nice to know they can cock it up just as well as us. But as defeatist Brits, we're used to defeat and humiliation. How do the Germans cope with it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 6:47:41 GMT
The old story. Financial mismanagement, had to sell their ground, points deducted etc. This led to lack of quality signings as no money was available, and naturally, with no money this also leads to poor coaches/managers being appointed as nobody wants to go somewhere when they can't sign anyone decent.....which all results in even worse results, even less money etc, and it then becomes a spiral downwards. Interesting story. I used to wonder, if everything about German football was so well organised, how any teams actually got relegated. I kind of assumed they just had a lot of draws, and the odd defeat allowed a few to slip through the net. Nice to know they can cock it up just as well as us. But as defeatist Brits, we're used to defeat and humiliation. How do the Germans cope with it? My local team is Offenbach Kickers. I don't watch them though as I prefer to go to the Eintracht. However, they have got a nice little stadium that Rovers would love to have. It holds 20,500 and cost approx. 22 million of the Queen's pounds. They have spent many years in the second division, however, a few years back got into financial difficulties. To explain this easily, in typical German fashion each club has to have a license granted every year by the German FA that shows that they are financially sound. If their finances are sh1t, then things happen, and what normally happens here is that a club gets demoted. The Kickers found themselves playing in the Regional League. The mentality is that if the club cannot afford to be where they are, then they have to drop down to a level where they can afford to exist. Very German. How big was this debt that sent them tumbling down? It was 9 million Euro (about 8 million quid). Attendances are currently running at just over 5,000, which is the largest in the division. Football fans are pretty similar around the world. The Kickers fans see things as very much "us against the world".  |
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Post by pirate on Sept 27, 2018 16:06:09 GMT
Interesting story. I used to wonder, if everything about German football was so well organised, how any teams actually got relegated. I kind of assumed they just had a lot of draws, and the odd defeat allowed a few to slip through the net. Nice to know they can cock it up just as well as us. But as defeatist Brits, we're used to defeat and humiliation. How do the Germans cope with it? My local team is Offenbach Kickers. I don't watch them though as I prefer to go to the Eintracht. However, they have got a nice little stadium that Rovers would love to have. It holds 20,500 and cost approx. 22 million of the Queen's pounds. They have spent many years in the second division, however, a few years back got into financial difficulties. To explain this easily, in typical German fashion each club has to have a license granted every year by the German FA that shows that they are financially sound. If their finances are sh1t, then things happen, and what normally happens here is that a club gets demoted. The Kickers found themselves playing in the Regional League. The mentality is that if the club cannot afford to be where they are, then they have to drop down to a level where they can afford to exist. Very German. How big was this debt that sent them tumbling down? It was 9 million Euro (about 8 million quid). Attendances are currently running at just over 5,000, which is the largest in the division. Football fans are pretty similar around the world. The Kickers fans see things as very much "us against the world". Some decent clubs and stadiums in the German fourth tier. A couple of my favourites are Waldhof Mannheim  Alemannia Aachen
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Post by aghast on Sept 27, 2018 21:28:14 GMT
My local team is Offenbach Kickers. I don't watch them though as I prefer to go to the Eintracht. However, they have got a nice little stadium that Rovers would love to have. It holds 20,500 and cost approx. 22 million of the Queen's pounds. They have spent many years in the second division, however, a few years back got into financial difficulties. To explain this easily, in typical German fashion each club has to have a license granted every year by the German FA that shows that they are financially sound. If their finances are sh1t, then things happen, and what normally happens here is that a club gets demoted. The Kickers found themselves playing in the Regional League. The mentality is that if the club cannot afford to be where they are, then they have to drop down to a level where they can afford to exist. Very German. How big was this debt that sent them tumbling down? It was 9 million Euro (about 8 million quid). Attendances are currently running at just over 5,000, which is the largest in the division. Football fans are pretty similar around the world. The Kickers fans see things as very much "us against the world". Some decent clubs and stadiums in the German fourth tier. A couple of my favourites are Waldhof Mannheim Alemannia Aachen
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 7:07:33 GMT
The Kickers stadium is interesting in that down one side is terracing, and this is where the 'singers' go, not behind a goal as is normal.
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