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Post by knowall on Dec 21, 2017 10:08:29 GMT
Thing is we had a better stadium to play in than we do now! One stand (paid for by the supporters Club) - the other was burnt to the ground - and a crowd of 3500 attendance which meant we couldn't afford the rent - yes that is right we didn't own it!- are you sure you remember it correctly? |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 21, 2017 10:17:27 GMT
Thing is we had a better stadium to play in than we do now! One stand (paid for by the supporters Club) - the other was burnt to the ground - and a crowd of 3500 attendance which meant we couldn't afford the rent - yes that is right we didn't own it!- are you sure you remember it correctly? The South Stand didn't burn to the ground until AFTER the period you were talking about. When City were in the first division for those 4 years in the late 70s we had a 38,000 capacity stadium. We had loads.more seats than we had now, we had in that period at least 2 x 23,000 plus crowds v Southampton and Ipswich. We didn't have 3,500 home crowds and we had a better stadium to play in than we have to play in now. Are you sure you remember it correctly? |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 21, 2017 10:22:16 GMT
If the current lot do not want to be here, if SH comments are anything to go by and we are not looking stay as 2 club club city, then i do not support the board and their aspirations. It is an insult to all Bristol Rovers fans. We were not far off a good future at new ground and we are all being taken for a ride. SH isn't great at the PR clearly. I'd question whether our future would have been great at the UWE given the fact the original was almost immediately written up. Why should anyone expect the new owners to gamble huge amounts of money on something which they aren't happy with? Then what is the plan or is there no plan? You seem to have blind faith and want to back a board have not really done alot and fallen way short of what was being talked up when they took over. Myself and others are just extremely disappointed and getting bit fed up of being loyal supporters, that go home, away and then ultimately let down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 10:33:23 GMT
SH isn't great at the PR clearly. I'd question whether our future would have been great at the UWE given the fact the original was almost immediately written up. Why should anyone expect the new owners to gamble huge amounts of money on something which they aren't happy with? Then what is the plan or is there no plan? You seem to have blind faith and want to back a board have not really done alot and fallen way short of what was being talked up when they took over. Myself and others are just extremely disappointed and getting bit fed up of being loyal supporters, that go home, away and then ultimately let down. I completely get the disapointment and massive frustration about the UWE plans which felt so promising. Their plan has always been about gradual progression, albeit questions clearly remain regarding the plan for the stadium. To be fair to them, they weren't the ones talking the investment up when taking over. |
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Post by Jomo on Dec 21, 2017 10:42:12 GMT
Then what is the plan or is there no plan? You seem to have blind faith and want to back a board have not really done alot and fallen way short of what was being talked up when they took over. Myself and others are just extremely disappointed and getting bit fed up of being loyal supporters, that go home, away and then ultimately let down. I completely get the disapointment and massive frustration about the UWE plans which felt so promising. Their plan has always been about gradual progression, albeit questions clearly remain regarding the plan for the stadium. To be fair to them, they weren't the ones talking the investment up when taking over. That is true, however they were the ones crowing about their plans for a Category 2 Academy at the Colony, before then going back on that stating they didn't realise how much it was going to cost. If they've made that blunder on the training ground, I don't hold out much hope that they know what they're doing in regards the stadium, unfortunately. |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 21, 2017 10:46:34 GMT
Then what is the plan or is there no plan? You seem to have blind faith and want to back a board have not really done alot and fallen way short of what was being talked up when they took over. Myself and others are just extremely disappointed and getting bit fed up of being loyal supporters, that go home, away and then ultimately let down. I completely get the disapointment and massive frustration about the UWE plans which felt so promising. Their plan has always been about gradual progression, albeit questions clearly remain regarding the plan for the stadium. To be fair to them, they weren't the ones talking the investment up when taking over. Why the reinvention of history? They absolutely were talking the investment up when taking over. If I could be arsed I try and find some clips from the time but what was said was. The club needs a new stadium. We do not need the Sainsbury's money to build it. We have been speaking to UWE pre takeover. We will build a premier standard academy and training facility etc,etc |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 21, 2017 10:58:33 GMT
So far, its only 2 years. it has taken our friends south of the river 10 years and multi £m to get where they are Hargreaves was a Computer Salesman - now worth early $3 billion - if you had got your act together ........... we wouldn't be in this fine mess. 😂 Edit: Stanley!! Getting close.... only have 5 bob to spare... (hope you are old enough to know what that is...)  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 10:59:59 GMT
The key componant driving them forward is a billionaire owner throwing money at them for fun.
They are lottery winners, that's all.
Thats your blue tint talking. There must be 40 or so lottery winners in the first 2 divisions then. There are too many other clubs with the same model for it to be luck. Not sure having a billionaire fan willing to basically throw away his cash can be considered a 'model'. Unfortunately for us it seems there are not enough of those football loving billionaires types around. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:05:29 GMT
I actually woke up depressed this morning after watching City deservedly beat a very weak ManUre. [via Sky] And most of the thoughts printed above this post - I echo. Evolution my ass - if we carry on the way we are, it will be more like a crematorium - as we pick over the ashes. I have never had faith in the new owners [and took much flack for it] they got lucky and rode on the back of Clarke's good fortune, but when it came down to actually deliver, my worse thoughts seem to have been confirmed. based on that I would assume you didn't have much faith under the old owners(s) either.
So my point again what do people want?
I guess you want the Al-Qadi's to sell up based on your post? So that means trying to find people prepared to throw lots money at the club with little thought of ever seeing a monetary return. Maybe there is someone out there, but they don't just walk up to football clubs and say here is some money
I would love us to compete at the highest level we can in a decent stadium, but the one thing I really want and always will do is to have my football club to support, wherever it may be.
If we can never keep up with the Jones' so be it. It doesn't mean I don't want better and won't hold my club up to be better at whatever level we are at, but what we cannot do is magic up money from nowhere
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:10:33 GMT
I completely get the disapointment and massive frustration about the UWE plans which felt so promising. Their plan has always been about gradual progression, albeit questions clearly remain regarding the plan for the stadium. To be fair to them, they weren't the ones talking the investment up when taking over. That is true, however they were the ones crowing about their plans for a Category 2 Academy at the Colony, before then going back on that stating they didn't realise how much it was going to cost. If they've made that blunder on the training ground, I don't hold out much hope that they know what they're doing in regards the stadium, unfortunately. They were up at Fleetwood looking at their training ground long before they employed the surveyors to do our designs - they knew full well that Fleetwood's cost £10m so surely couldn't have been surprised at the costs? |
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Post by station on Dec 21, 2017 11:10:50 GMT
I actually woke up depressed this morning after watching City deservedly beat a very weak ManUre. [via Sky] And most of the thoughts printed above this post - I echo. Evolution my ass - if we carry on the way we are, it will be more like a crematorium - as we pick over the ashes. I have never had faith in the new owners [and took much flack for it] they got lucky and rode on the back of Clarke's good fortune, but when it came down to actually deliver, my worse thoughts seem to have been confirmed. based on that I would assume you didn't have much faith under the old owners(s) either.
So my point again what do people want?
I guess you want the Al-Qadi's to sell up based on your post? So that means trying to find people prepared to throw lots money at the club with little thought of ever seeing a monetary return. Maybe there is someone out there, but they don't just walk up to football clubs and say here is some money
I would love us to compete at the highest level we can in a decent stadium, but the one thing I really want and always will do is to have my football club to support, wherever it may be.
If we can never keep up with the Jones' so be it. It doesn't mean I don't want better and won't hold my club up to be better at whatever level we are at, but what we cannot do is magic up money from nowhere
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Just the truth would be nice, nothing has happened since the takeover that would give me confidence, I know exactly where you are coming from, as do many. Some of us don't believe the spin doctors anymore, but get shot down for talking openly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:16:36 GMT
I completely get the disapointment and massive frustration about the UWE plans which felt so promising. Their plan has always been about gradual progression, albeit questions clearly remain regarding the plan for the stadium. To be fair to them, they weren't the ones talking the investment up when taking over. Why the reinvention of history? They absolutely were talking the investment up when taking over. If I could be arsed I try and find some clips from the time but what was said was. The club needs a new stadium. We do not need the Sainsbury's money to build it. We have been speaking to UWE pre takeover. We will build a premier standard academy and training facility etc,etc No reinvention whatsoever. They made it clear of their intention to bring about a new stadium and whilst UWE hasn't materialised, there seemingly is the desire to redevelop. Time will tell. We all got carried away and started dreaming when the takeover happened and some assumed a huge investment on and off the field was to follow. The emphasis on evolution not revolution was always telling though. |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 21, 2017 11:32:51 GMT
Not sure what that means or is your real name falsenumber9 ? always happy to meet face to face to discuss It means it's easy to attack a person behind a keyboard MM. And it's not cool. Please don't worry, I was not attacking you. Your posts have been having a dig at anyone you was discussing city so I was explaining why we were and you got a little excited. Happy Christmas |
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Post by tommym9 on Dec 21, 2017 11:33:19 GMT
Realistically we'll lose the next generation of fans to City if they go up to the Prem.
The amount of kids I see with Arsenal or United football tops round Bristol is insane. If the parents aren't fussed about Rovers or City there is only one place the kids are going to end up.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 21, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
It means it's easy to attack a person behind a keyboard MM. And it's not cool. I will ask the pair of you to keep it civil please. And yes attack the post and not the poster. Ta. Antonio already said this blimey nobody is attacking anyone |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:39:36 GMT
A lot of things go extinct where evolution is concerned.
They can't keep up with the changing environment and competition from better equipped entities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:48:40 GMT
It means it's easy to attack a person behind a keyboard MM. And it's not cool. Please don't worry, I was not attacking you. Your posts have been having a dig at anyone you was discussing city so I was explaining why we were and you got a little excited. Happy Christmas Ha, something like that. Have a great Christmas. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 21, 2017 11:51:52 GMT
Quite right. I wasn't trying to make it about us off the back of them. But the point of the thread was that take a look at the other side of the river, not to look on in envy or jealousy, but to look at it and see a well developed stadium full of Bristolian football supporters playing against a top prem team and a team that are riding high in the league with the absolute chance of getting prem football themselves. Then look at our own facilities and look how far behind we are and what we are potentially losing out on support and the attraction of players by not having a facility not just to match but even to compete with. We all want championship football but we have no chance of sustaining it if we ever did get there. I watch a fair bit of championship football on sky and every team has a very good level of stadia far above ours. Even the Scottish first and bottom of the SPL teams have great stadia when you look at the attendances they get. Lansdown has wasted a fair amount of money City getting it right, that cannot be disputed, but he is getting it right now and when you look at the momentum that is being generated, the new fans it is attracting plus all the add ons commercially = success on and off the field. And if they reach the prem then its fair to say that with the extra revenue they will get plus any parachute payments should they come straight back down it will pay off the last 15+ years anyway. I love BRFC and I've loved the Mem down the years. I still get the same buzz going there as I did when I went to Twerton for the first time, but I must say, I would love to see a much better ground now. Imagine a 20k+ stadium full of blue and white in the championship!! You can't all tell me you would not take that. Our owners need that buzz and passion to drive us forward and recognise how quickly we need a better stadium facility to move forward. To follow your point - the well developed stadium - came about after their preferred option was thwarted and they re-developed their old stadium. (sound familiar?) There is no doubt that a smart stadium is key to producing an income to support the sustainability of the Football Club - but look at the backroom at City and their Academy. Mark Ashton was recruited a few years ago and has found players for their first team whilst their Academy is producing players for their first team too - two Academy products scored their goals last night to win the match for them. The money invested by Lansdown has also brought a team of experts to run the whole show and that is now paying off. Our current owners have been here for a couple of years SL has been there for fifteen. Whilst many are critical of our owners since arriving they have been quietly increasing our backroom which is supporting the efforts of DC and in time will add to our pool of first team players. And hopefully the new Commercial Director will produce more than he costs. We have to give our current board time and SUPPORT and it would be more productive if that was positive rather than critical. How many readers of this forum are planning, building, etc experts? and have you offered to help? - or are you complaining?? Quality post but i'm sure it will fall on deaf ears of people with a Hidden Agenda |
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 21, 2017 11:52:17 GMT
I will ask the pair of you to keep it civil please. And yes attack the post and not the poster. Ta. Antonio already said this blimey nobody is attacking anyone Well arent you lucky there is 2 mods looking out for everyone... |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 21, 2017 11:56:38 GMT
Antonio already said this blimey nobody is attacking anyone Well arent you lucky there is 2 mods looking out for everyone... Hugo will be along in a couple of days, I expect. |
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