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Post by kruger on Jun 18, 2018 13:36:00 GMT
If the mods were to get rid of all the stupid posts on this thread how many pages would we have?
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Post by knowall on Jun 18, 2018 13:38:45 GMT
The way I see it is that there is a) Real info being leaked b) Bullsh*t being ‘leaked’ c) Info with elements of truth either misinterpreted/understood or deliberately twisted d) A combination of all 3 People seem to show what Hani has for breakfast, yet no one ever sees him. The ‘inner circle’ can’t be that big so where is all this ‘information’ coming from IS everything perfect no?, is everything we want to happen happening or happening as quick as we would like? No But once again Dwane Sports seem to be doing far more and making weighted business decisions and going about it’s business. Business which is more than ehat has happened for years at this club and t seems some people can’t wait to put the boot in? I don’t know whether people are so hung up on the UWE project that it blinds them to anything else or what. I have heard my own stories of how good/bad the UWE deal was before the AQ’s took over, which would contradict those that think it is/was the be all and end all for this football club and would probably back up why it took so long to sort things out or not as it were I can tell you that Wael leaks his own information to a fan who somehow, he has befriended and usually attends away games with when he goes. That fan has been pictured alongside Wael which have been published in local press. I’ve seen the messages he leaks and it discusses things like Holtbygate, transfers of players and personalities of the management team. That said person was also a member here before deleting his account when he got found out. So it’s not a tight a circle as you like to think it is. The UWE deal was the best chance this club had of a new stadium, that was still in proximity to our heartland with an opportunity to grow, and having seen various numbers on it, I cannot see what part of it was a horrendously bad deal. No doubting that given the correct circumstances UWE would have been a great opportunity for Bristol Rovers. BUT you like many others seem to forget one massive thing that changed the deal completely. Sainsburys pulled out leaving a £35 million hole in the finances which was to be paid up front - two years in advance whilst Rovers built the stadium - that meant that interest and capital of near on £40,000,000 extra had to be found from somewhere? Yes, some of that would have come eventually from the sale of the Mem to someone else, but I suggest that that may be the numbers you cannot see.
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2018 13:39:37 GMT
If the mods were to get rid of all the stupid posts on this thread how many pages would we have? ERROR "gaschat.co.uk" Domain not found.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 18, 2018 13:45:25 GMT
I can tell you that Wael leaks his own information to a fan who somehow, he has befriended and usually attends away games with when he goes. That fan has been pictured alongside Wael which have been published in local press. I’ve seen the messages he leaks and it discusses things like Holtbygate, transfers of players and personalities of the management team. That said person was also a member here before deleting his account when he got found out. So it’s not a tight a circle as you like to think it is. The UWE deal was the best chance this club had of a new stadium, that was still in proximity to our heartland with an opportunity to grow, and having seen various numbers on it, I cannot see what part of it was a horrendously bad deal. No doubting that given the correct circumstances UWE would have been a great opportunity for Bristol Rovers. BUT you like many others seem to forget one massive thing that changed the deal completely. Sainsburys pulled out leaving a £35 million hole in the finances which was to be paid up front - two years in advance whilst Rovers built the stadium - that meant that interest and capital of near on £40,000,000 extra had to be found from somewhere? Yes, some of that would have come eventually from the sale of the Mem to someone else, but I suggest that that may be the numbers you cannot see. Indeed, and I don’t see how hard it is to grasp where the deal may not have worked out come the end Rovers were getting something for nothing basically and once that Sainsbury’s money was gone, than Rovers need other finance. That financing needs a return on investment and the ancillary functions of the UWE Stadium had to work harder to make the thing viable depending on what UWE were/weren’t taking and/or paying
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 13:46:23 GMT
Ok FWIW with my (very) limited and (extremely) tenuous links to the club, i am now led to believe this is gathering pace. I can also corroborate what Gashead1981 has stated. The shop is paid for by Macron, no brainer right!? The bar works on both side of the ground are a combination of insurance monies and input from Thatchers, no brainer right!? The stands, well, limited cost to implement and once in place will be profitable pretty sharpish i wouild imagine. All this cr@p about stadium improvements being proof there is no long term plan is just well cr@p. It simply proves we now have people at the club who know how to get things done. Sit tight people its likely to be a bumpy ride. Don't private message me... you know who you are! Yes, you are quite right I do know who I am Ruddy hell Hani we are supposed to be keeping a low profile!! You blithrering idiot!
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Post by garystash on Jun 18, 2018 13:51:23 GMT
I can tell you that Wael leaks his own information to a fan who somehow, he has befriended and usually attends away games with when he goes. That fan has been pictured alongside Wael which have been published in local press. I’ve seen the messages he leaks and it discusses things like Holtbygate, transfers of players and personalities of the management team. That said person was also a member here before deleting his account when he got found out. So it’s not a tight a circle as you like to think it is. The UWE deal was the best chance this club had of a new stadium, that was still in proximity to our heartland with an opportunity to grow, and having seen various numbers on it, I cannot see what part of it was a horrendously bad deal. No doubting that given the correct circumstances UWE would have been a great opportunity for Bristol Rovers. BUT you like many others seem to forget one massive thing that changed the deal completely. Sainsburys pulled out leaving a £35 million hole in the finances which was to be paid up front - two years in advance whilst Rovers built the stadium - that meant that interest and capital of near on £40,000,000 extra had to be found from somewhere? Yes, some of that would have come eventually from the sale of the Mem to someone else, but I suggest that that may be the numbers you cannot see. I am a fan of your positivity knowall, but Wael did say "finance is not an issue".
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Post by peterparker on Jun 18, 2018 13:54:07 GMT
No doubting that given the correct circumstances UWE would have been a great opportunity for Bristol Rovers. BUT you like many others seem to forget one massive thing that changed the deal completely. Sainsburys pulled out leaving a £35 million hole in the finances which was to be paid up front - two years in advance whilst Rovers built the stadium - that meant that interest and capital of near on £40,000,000 extra had to be found from somewhere? Yes, some of that would have come eventually from the sale of the Mem to someone else, but I suggest that that may be the numbers you cannot see. I am a fan of your positivity knowall, but Wael did say "finance is not an issue". but that is different to something being a good investment
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Post by gregsy on Jun 18, 2018 13:54:48 GMT
If the mods were to get rid of all the stupid posts on this thread how many pages would we have? Interesting question. We could of course remove all of the sensible posts on gaschat and rename the forum 'monkeys & cucumbers'....
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Post by blueridge on Jun 18, 2018 13:55:56 GMT
No doubting that given the correct circumstances UWE would have been a great opportunity for Bristol Rovers. BUT you like many others seem to forget one massive thing that changed the deal completely. Sainsburys pulled out leaving a £35 million hole in the finances which was to be paid up front - two years in advance whilst Rovers built the stadium - that meant that interest and capital of near on £40,000,000 extra had to be found from somewhere? Yes, some of that would have come eventually from the sale of the Mem to someone else, but I suggest that that may be the numbers you cannot see. I am a fan of your positivity knowall, but Wael did say "finance is not an issue". And the ALQ's were fully aware of this when they bought the club and carried on negotiating with UWE for a further 18 months.
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Post by axegas on Jun 18, 2018 14:01:40 GMT
No doubting that given the correct circumstances UWE would have been a great opportunity for Bristol Rovers. BUT you like many others seem to forget one massive thing that changed the deal completely. Sainsburys pulled out leaving a £35 million hole in the finances which was to be paid up front - two years in advance whilst Rovers built the stadium - that meant that interest and capital of near on £40,000,000 extra had to be found from somewhere? Yes, some of that would have come eventually from the sale of the Mem to someone else, but I suggest that that may be the numbers you cannot see. I am a fan of your positivity knowall, but Wael did say "finance is not an issue". Yes but the issue of leasehold is still is an issue regardless of whether UWE still want to do a deal or not. I can't see the owners would be that willing to part with £35 million if there is no prospect of Dwane Sports owning the land and being to take all revenues from the stadium, let's hope the UWE are willing to make concessions now they have realised that the Al Qadi's aren't as much of a pushover as Higgs was. I still think there are far better ways for the University to make use of the land but if both parties are still willing, an agreement could very much still be on the cards.
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Post by knowall on Jun 18, 2018 14:29:24 GMT
No doubting that given the correct circumstances UWE would have been a great opportunity for Bristol Rovers. BUT you like many others seem to forget one massive thing that changed the deal completely. Sainsburys pulled out leaving a £35 million hole in the finances which was to be paid up front - two years in advance whilst Rovers built the stadium - that meant that interest and capital of near on £40,000,000 extra had to be found from somewhere? Yes, some of that would have come eventually from the sale of the Mem to someone else, but I suggest that that may be the numbers you cannot see. I am a fan of your positivity knowall, but Wael did say "finance is not an issue". But Income streams are needed to cope
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Post by knowall on Jun 18, 2018 14:31:55 GMT
I am a fan of your positivity knowall, but Wael did say "finance is not an issue". And the ALQ's were fully aware of this when they bought the club and carried on negotiating with UWE for a further 18 months. Even if the finance is not an issue - the income streams are needed to repay the investment.
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Post by Langford Gas on Jun 18, 2018 14:42:06 GMT
[br’. Our loses have doubled since the ALQs have taken over, we are top heavy in the boardroom and have an office in London to the tune of £250k a year. However not everything is bad and I agree that the club is making progress but most of that is down to DC and the ALQs allowing him money to appoint needed staff on the playing side. However those losses must be sustainable and they aren’t under Wael’s stewardship, which is why his big brother needs to guarantee the losses at the beginning of each financial year. We've already debunked the London office costs £250k per year bull. There is absolutely no way that is true. Last time it was raised the people asserting it admitted Hamer had said that included the staff costs of the individuals based there i.e. the PR guy and the director chap. So two senior members of staff NOT an office. I will just leave this here ,apparently both companies formed about 3 - 4 mths ago. Though how you check i have no idea. Someone who knows about hess things or is ITK might care to comment.
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2018 14:59:19 GMT
We've already debunked the London office costs £250k per year bull. There is absolutely no way that is true. Last time it was raised the people asserting it admitted Hamer had said that included the staff costs of the individuals based there i.e. the PR guy and the director chap. So two senior members of staff NOT an office. I will just leave this here ,apparently both companies formed about 3 - 4 mths ago. Though how you check i have no idea. Someone who knows about hess things or is ITK might care to comment. I can't open either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 15:04:29 GMT
I will just leave this here ,apparently both companies formed about 3 - 4 mths ago. Though how you check i have no idea. Someone who knows about hess things or is ITK might care to comment. I can't open either. Ditto!
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 18, 2018 15:05:33 GMT
Twertonkid was his handle here. Thank you. Your description could have been close to someone else and I don't want them getting any undue sh** Fair one, I wouldn't want to do that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 18, 2018 15:23:53 GMT
And the ALQ's were fully aware of this when they bought the club and carried on negotiating with UWE for a further 18 months. Even if the finance is not an issue - the income streams are needed to repay the investment. But surely the ALQ's knew that when i) they bought the club ii) they carried out a feasibility study which apparently came back positive. If they bought the club and they had then said within 3 months the UWE wasn't feasible that would have made sense but to carry on negotiations for 18 months whilst employing the likes of Currah makes no sense, if it was never feasible as the income streams weren't there. Regardless if the UWE is not feasible I assume the OP is taking nonsense and the chances of ever financing a new stadium must seem remote as we ill keep hitting the same issues unless we ever get to the Championship but, if we do, we will never survive, even in the short term. w/o a new griund!
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Post by peterparker on Jun 18, 2018 15:27:25 GMT
Even if the finance is not an issue - the income streams are needed to repay the investment. But surely the ALQ's knew that when i) they bought the club ii) they carried out a feasibility study which apparently came back positive. If they bought the club and they had then said within 3 months the UWE wasn't feasible that would have made sense but to carry on negotiations for 18 months whilst employing the likes of Currah makes no sense, if it was never feasible as the income streams weren't there. Regardless if the UWE is not feasible I assume the OP is taking nonsense and the chances of ever financing a new stadium must seem remote as we ill keep hitting the same issues unless we ever get to the Championship but, if we do, we will never survive, even in the short term. w/o a new griund! and we go back to what Wael said about UWE wanting to revisit points (that were presumably agreed). Negotiations were progressing, the stadium was feasible under x conditions, but UWE either didn't agree or wanted to move the goalposts again
Nothing really contradicts anything if you understand and follow what was said
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2018 15:27:28 GMT
We've already debunked the London office costs £250k per year bull. There is absolutely no way that is true. Last time it was raised the people asserting it admitted Hamer had said that included the staff costs of the individuals based there i.e. the PR guy and the director chap. So two senior members of staff NOT an office. I will just leave this here ,apparently both companies formed about 3 - 4 mths ago. Though how you check i have no idea. Someone who knows about hess things or is ITK might care to comment. Unfortunately the links don't work for me. Is that Dwane Developments?
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Post by garystash on Jun 18, 2018 15:32:05 GMT
I am a fan of your positivity knowall, but Wael did say "finance is not an issue". But Income streams are needed to cope We could not raise the money required because we didn't have the income streams to cover it. I'm sorry, but it still seems like finance was the issue.
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