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Post by LJG on Nov 20, 2016 19:03:52 GMT
Yeah why are you lying about the header being a tame shot down the middle of the goal? Oh sorry. My mistake. It was a bullet header into the top corner absolute fluke that the keeper saved it. Harrison is a top quality striker, easily better than Gaffney and fully deserves to start week in week out. Whatever. Highlights reel shows it for what is. Which is not what you tried to make out. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 19:08:02 GMT
Oh sorry. My mistake. It was a bullet header into the top corner absolute fluke that the keeper saved it. Harrison is a top quality striker, easily better than Gaffney and fully deserves to start week in week out. Whatever. Highlights reel shows it for what is. Which is not what you tried to make out. Not sure why you accused me of lying when my comment was posted shortly after the game, when the highlights only came out at noon today. No matter what you think about that header, you'd expect a striker to do better with 3 headers in good positions. I'm not being unfairly harsh on Ellis. Think he's got the potential to cut it in league 1, but at the moment his performances don't warrant a place in the starting 11. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 20, 2016 19:34:03 GMT
Whatever. Highlights reel shows it for what is. Which is not what you tried to make out. Not sure why you accused me of lying when my comment was posted shortly after the game, when the highlights only came out at noon today. No matter what you think about that header, you'd expect a striker to do better with 3 headers in good positions. I'm not being unfairly harsh on Ellis. Think he's got the potential to cut it in league 1, but at the moment his performances don't warrant a place in the starting 11. I am beginning to doubt that he has it to be honest. |
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Post by aghast on Nov 20, 2016 21:00:36 GMT
Not sure why you accused me of lying when my comment was posted shortly after the game, when the highlights only came out at noon today. No matter what you think about that header, you'd expect a striker to do better with 3 headers in good positions. I'm not being unfairly harsh on Ellis. Think he's got the potential to cut it in league 1, but at the moment his performances don't warrant a place in the starting 11. I am beginning to doubt that he has it to be honest. I never doubted he had it, but it seems he's lost it of late. |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 20, 2016 21:58:53 GMT
Oh sorry. My mistake. It was a bullet header into the top corner absolute fluke that the keeper saved it. Harrison is a top quality striker, easily better than Gaffney and fully deserves to start week in week out. Whatever. Highlights reel shows it for what is. Which is not what you tried to make out. Have to agree. He couldn't have done much more with the header in the first half, which was an excellent save by the keeper. The second half one was from a difficult position with a defender straight in front of him anyway. The most promising position we had was when Taylor had the ball on the right and shot instead of crossing to Easter. Going by the highlights, though, we were pretty fortunate not to concede and MK Dona had the better chances. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2016 22:28:17 GMT
I thought the most promising was when Gaffers seemed to be clean though on goal but tried to find Taylor rather than shooting, not sure why that didn't make the highlights.
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Post by socrates on Nov 20, 2016 23:20:03 GMT
What weve got to remember is that Ellis has scored goals for us at every level and has continued to do that this season.
He averages a goal in every four which doesn't sound great but I reckon st least half of those have been sub appearances.
His work rate isn't great and Taylor needs a hard worker around him so I'd pick Gaffney over him as first choice but if we need a goal in a game with not long left there isn't a better player in the squad to bring on and get us it and Ellis has proved that time and time again.
Is he good enough to help us get in to the championship ?
Probably not but how many of our players are ?
Overal I think our squad is a top half squad and Ellis has been a part of that squad for a while now and he is playing his part even though he can come across lazy or disinterested sometimes.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 20, 2016 23:39:15 GMT
"What weve got to remember is that Ellis has scored goals for us at every level and has continued to do that this season." is the biggest myth.
According to TransferMarkt;
He scored 8 in 34 (all competitions) last season and 3 were penalties. If that was anyone else they wouldn't count...
He's scored 4 in 20(all competitions) this season.
He scored 14 in 38(all competitions) in the conference, admittedly a good record considering his minutes played.
Relegation season 1 in 29. (Young and poor team but just for "facts")
Harrison is not good enough for what else he offers. He's almost 23 and we've been making excuses for him for too long. I will support him for as long as he's with us, and I thank him for the goals he scored in the conference because we wouldn't be here without them. But I'm allowed my opinion(Before LJG comes in and shoots it down).
We look more dangerous and have a better chance of scoring with Gaffney on who's goal scoring record is worse, because Gaffney offers so much more.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2016 6:42:45 GMT
So he's on for around 10 goals again this season, I doubt Gaffers is going to exceed that by many, if any?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 7:17:42 GMT
Why does Ellis get so much attention? It's DC that should take the flak for continually picking him.
How about looking at things from a different perspective...
Since Ellis will be perceived as a young quick international striker by opposition scouts and Gaffers may be perceived as a big strong number 9-pigeon holing here..
This might alter the shape of the opposition team. Firstly by holding defenders deeper to account for a quick break from is with Ellis or push fullbacks on to prevent our wingplay assisting Gaffers..
I appreciate that people will often comment on what they can see but the game can be quite complex.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 21, 2016 9:40:35 GMT
evil post
Being reported in the evil post that Chelski had their top adviser at the game on Saturday. was spotted sat next to Wael Hope he was impressed
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Post by LJG on Nov 21, 2016 9:47:29 GMT
"What weve got to remember is that Ellis has scored goals for us at every level and has continued to do that this season." is the biggest myth. According to TransferMarkt; He scored 8 in 34 (all competitions) last season and 3 were penalties. If that was anyone else they wouldn't count... He's scored 4 in 20(all competitions) this season. He scored 14 in 38(all competitions) in the conference, admittedly a good record considering his minutes played. Relegation season 1 in 29. (Young and poor team but just for "facts") Harrison is not good enough for what else he offers. He's almost 23 and we've been making excuses for him for too long. I will support him for as long as he's with us, and I thank him for the goals he scored in the conference because we wouldn't be here without them. But I'm allowed my opinion(Before LJG comes in and shoots it down). We look more dangerous and have a better chance of scoring with Gaffney on who's goal scoring record is worse, because Gaffney offers so much more. You do this every time. Goals per game is a fallacy. Goals per minutes played is the appropriate measure. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 21, 2016 11:10:19 GMT
"What weve got to remember is that Ellis has scored goals for us at every level and has continued to do that this season." is the biggest myth. According to TransferMarkt; He scored 8 in 34 (all competitions) last season and 3 were penalties. If that was anyone else they wouldn't count... He's scored 4 in 20(all competitions) this season. He scored 14 in 38(all competitions) in the conference, admittedly a good record considering his minutes played. Relegation season 1 in 29. (Young and poor team but just for "facts") Harrison is not good enough for what else he offers. He's almost 23 and we've been making excuses for him for too long. I will support him for as long as he's with us, and I thank him for the goals he scored in the conference because we wouldn't be here without them. But I'm allowed my opinion(Before LJG comes in and shoots it down). We look more dangerous and have a better chance of scoring with Gaffney on who's goal scoring record is worse, because Gaffney offers so much more. You do this every time. Goals per game is a fallacy. Goals per minutes played is the appropriate measure. This season, all competitions. Matty a goal every 129 minutes. 3 Penalties converted. Easter a goal every 241 minutes. 2 Assists 1 Penalty converted. Harrison a goal every 320 minutes. 1 Assist Gaffney a goal every 864 minutes. 1 Assist Last season, all competitions. Matty, strangely again a goal every 129 minutes. 5 Assists. 1 Penalty converted Harrison a goal every 190 minutes. 3 Penalties converted. Gaffney a goal every 234 minutes. 3 Assists Easter a goal every 266 minutes. 5 Assists 14/15, all competitions. Harrison a goal every 98 minutes. 3 Assists. 1 Penalty converted. Taylor a goal every 185 minutes. 6 Assists. 5 Penalties converted. And here's where you say about how he's got a better record than Gaffney, and I've already acknowledged that, but Gaffney and Easter both offer a lot more to the team than Ellis. He can't replace Taylor because Taylor is a better goal scorer and offers more to the team. If anything, all it proves is that at the moment Ellis is a very good conference striker with the ability to be a good League 2 striker. League 1 is possible but he's often wasteful and doesn't know how to utilise his own talent. He should be an impact sub at best, like the conference season, at though at least then he probably deserved more starts than he had whereas this season he hasn't deserved as many as he has had. When I pulled up stats early in the conference season Ellis then went and proved me wrong, so here's hoping he does it again but in ten years time Ellis won't be here and will probably be at the Gate with his season ticket  , but I'll still be supporting Rovers. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2016 11:21:10 GMT
"but he's often wasteful and doesn't know how to utilise his own talent" I can't recall many chances he's wasted but as far as utilising his own talents surely that's down to the coaching staff as much, if not more, than the player himself? Whilst you say Gaffers brings a lot more to the team the fact both players have 1 assist each suggests otherwise? Probably Saturday was a good example as Gaffers seemed to change the game but when you sat and thought about it later we actually created v. little in the second half.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 11:28:03 GMT
Also ignores the fact hes being played in a target man role, rather than someone who plays in behind the defender, which is where he's been successful.
Don't think he replaces Taylor by any stretch, but I feel the same sort of role suits Ellis far better.
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 21, 2016 12:22:26 GMT
Not sure why you accused me of lying when my comment was posted shortly after the game, when the highlights only came out at noon today. No matter what you think about that header, you'd expect a striker to do better with 3 headers in good positions. I'm not being unfairly harsh on Ellis. Think he's got the potential to cut it in league 1, but at the moment his performances don't warrant a place in the starting 11. I am beginning to doubt that he has it to be honest. I`ve been a fan of Harrison since I saw his first start for us, in a 3-0 win away to Fleetwood. He`s got the talent, no doubt about it. It`s just frustrating that he meanders his way through some games, without utilizing that talent. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2016 13:25:21 GMT
But to be fair to him apart from needlessly falling on the ground a few times on Saturday he did put in a decent shift but fans are still complaining.
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Post by baggins on Nov 21, 2016 13:41:01 GMT
But to be fair to him apart from needlessly falling on the ground a few times on Saturday he did put in a decent shift but fans are still complaining. The problem is, that's all he did. |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 21, 2016 16:14:47 GMT
But to be fair to him apart from needlessly falling on the ground a few times on Saturday he did put in a decent shift but fans are still complaining. The problem is, that's all he did. I think he's low on confidence at the moment and hasn't been at his best, but it's worth remembering that he was one excellent save away from being our match winner on Saturday. It was a well directed and powerful downward header which had the keeper not got his right hand to, would have been proclaimed as an excellent goal. The margins are fine sometimes and he has shown enough times before that it's worth keeping faith in him. |
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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 21, 2016 23:08:33 GMT
I can only recall the one, where he bought a decent save from the goalie, meanwhile Gaffney had a chance to shoot but didn't and everyone ignores that because he was charging about everywhere when he came on. Gaffney can't play every minute so DC has to use Harrison, it's just a pity Harrison hasn't quite got it at this level. There were two others which he headed wastefully over. Plus the one which was saved was a rather tame header down the middle of the goal. I think most people could NOW agree that when watching the freely available highlights the 'one down middle' was a pretty strong header from a ball that was NOT a perfect 'running onto the ball' scenario, and it was from a long way out and forced a decent save from the keeper. Can anyone honestly disagree with that from the TV view? Cut the guy some slack. View from the seats / terraces aren't often perfect. |
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