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Post by gregsy on Sept 18, 2016 15:12:01 GMT
I'm pretty sure that it was all well ment banter, but given the potential for it to be taken out of context (as seems to be the case) I would regard singing that song at that ground as a little clumsy....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 16:27:10 GMT
We have Sung "Is there a fire alarm?" at several away fixtures. That is a fact and not an opinion!! The first time i remember hearing it was Saints fans singing it to us when they beat us at The mem 4-0, Is there a fire drill when loads started leaving after the fourth goal |
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Post by rambo on Sept 18, 2016 17:05:23 GMT
I'm pretty sure that it was all well ment banter, but given the potential for it to be taken out of context (as seems to be the case) I would regard singing that song at that ground as a little clumsy.... Exactly this. While for many of us the tragedy was a big event taken place in our lifetime, anybody under the age of 30 weren't even born. It's not as well documented as Hillsborough and so sadly, there will be a very very large section of our support who are oblivious. |
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Post by Dr Gas on Sept 18, 2016 17:34:26 GMT
A lot on here like to make things bigger than it is and exaggerate things it's called getting old and miserable FairPlay to the 500 fans that made the trip it's a long trek No it is not: It is called showing respect. Whilst it may be banter at any other ground, it is not something that should be sung at Valley Parade. |
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Post by rambo on Sept 18, 2016 17:53:55 GMT
A lot on here like to make things bigger than it is and exaggerate things it's called getting old and miserable FairPlay to the 500 fans that made the trip it's a long trek No it is not: It is called showing respect. Whilst it may be banter at any other ground, it is not something that should be sung at Valley Parade. With all due respect, are you incapable of reading? Agreed, it's not something which should be sung at Valley Parade and I'm sure it wouldn't have had people been educated on the matter. You can't be showing a lack of respect if you have no knowledge on what you're deemed to be disrespecting! |
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 18, 2016 18:14:58 GMT
A lot on here like to make things bigger than it is and exaggerate things it's called getting old and miserable FairPlay to the 500 fans that made the trip it's a long trek No it is not: It is called showing respect. Whilst it may be banter at any other ground, it is not something that should be sung at Valley Parade. yeah I would be wrong if meant in a nasty way but it wasn't,the next away game everyone will have google the place before they go The fans these days are a lot better behaved than 30 yrs ago,I remember at eastville asking my dad why everyone in the ground were making monkey noises So there will be banning orders on anyone found swearing etc |
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Post by clockendgas on Sept 18, 2016 18:41:04 GMT
Im sure nobody was taking the water about that tragic fire, its a common leg pull at most games as you all well know, of course the 82ers are trying to turn it into something bigger but im sure bradford have heard it hundreds of times over the last few seasons and probably take no notice anymore. Lets not make a mountain out of a molehill.
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Post by Dr Gas on Sept 18, 2016 18:58:54 GMT
No it is not: It is called showing respect. Whilst it may be banter at any other ground, it is not something that should be sung at Valley Parade. With all due respect, are you incapable of reading? Agreed, it's not something which should be sung at Valley Parade and I'm sure it wouldn't have had people been educated on the matter. You can't be showing a lack of respect if you have no knowledge on what you're deemed to be disrespecting! Yes, thank you for asking, I am very capable of reading: I have to be as my hearing is not that good, so I have to rely on the written word. You were not aware of that so I agree with your opinion that as you did not know that then you were not being disrespectful: However, one does not follow, "with all due respect" with a veiled insult as it makes the quoted remark redundant and is disrespectful. I am sure that many younger football fans are aware of the fire at Valley Parade. The 30th anniversary was very much in the news in April of last year, so would have brought it to the attention of many of those who were previously unaware of it. There are things that happened before I was born of which I am aware, as well as some in my lifetime: Ibrox Park has more than it fair share of disasters, one in 1902, another in 1961, and yet another in 1971. The latter two being in my lifetime but I am aware of the first. One at Bolton's old Burnden Park ground in 1946 (before my time). Heysel Stadium in 1985. Then of course there is the Munich air disaster. I was too young to know about the Munich air crash but became aware of it at a young age and I reckon thge majority of all football fans, no matter what age, are aware of that. Maybe I am too interested in football and its history so that makes me old and miserable, as Paulpirate puts it. |
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 18, 2016 19:15:32 GMT
With all due respect, are you incapable of reading? Agreed, it's not something which should be sung at Valley Parade and I'm sure it wouldn't have had people been educated on the matter. You can't be showing a lack of respect if you have no knowledge on what you're deemed to be disrespecting! Yes, thank you for asking, I am very capable of reading: I have to be as my hearing is not that good, so I have to rely on the written word. You were not aware of that so I agree with your opinion that as you did not know that then you were not being disrespectful: However, one does not follow, "with all due respect" with a veiled insult as it makes the quoted remark redundant and is disrespectful. I am sure that many younger football fans are aware of the fire at Valley Parade. The 30th anniversary was very much in the news in April of last year, so would have brought it to the attention of many of those who were previously unaware of it. There are things that happened before I was born of which I am aware, as well as some in my lifetime: Ibrox Park has more than it fair share of disasters, one in 1902, another in 1961, and yet another in 1971. The latter two being in my lifetime but I am aware of the first. One at Bolton's old Burnden Park ground in 1946 (before my time). Heysel Stadium in 1985. Then of course there is the Munich air disaster. I was too young to know about the Munich air crash but became aware of it at a young age and I reckon thge majority of all football fans, no matter what age, are aware of that. Maybe I am too interested in football and its history so that makes me old and miserable, as Paulpirate puts it. you can be old and grumpy I don't care but don't PRESUME it was sung it a nasty way and make it into a big problem making out our supporters are tossers it's out of order |
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Post by Dr Gas on Sept 19, 2016 5:55:16 GMT
Yes, thank you for asking, I am very capable of reading: I have to be as my hearing is not that good, so I have to rely on the written word. You were not aware of that so I agree with your opinion that as you did not know that then you were not being disrespectful: However, one does not follow, "with all due respect" with a veiled insult as it makes the quoted remark redundant and is disrespectful. I am sure that many younger football fans are aware of the fire at Valley Parade. The 30th anniversary was very much in the news in April of last year, so would have brought it to the attention of many of those who were previously unaware of it. There are things that happened before I was born of which I am aware, as well as some in my lifetime: Ibrox Park has more than it fair share of disasters, one in 1902, another in 1961, and yet another in 1971. The latter two being in my lifetime but I am aware of the first. One at Bolton's old Burnden Park ground in 1946 (before my time). Heysel Stadium in 1985. Then of course there is the Munich air disaster. I was too young to know about the Munich air crash but became aware of it at a young age and I reckon thge majority of all football fans, no matter what age, are aware of that. Maybe I am too interested in football and its history so that makes me old and miserable, as Paulpirate puts it. you can be old and grumpy I don't care but don't PRESUME it was sung it a nasty way and make it into a big problem making out our supporters are tossers it's out of order You appear to have a very agile mind because it seems to have reached places that I have not: I have not presumed it was sung in any manner whatsoever. Neither have I labelled any of our supporters. I have simply argued that it should not be sung at Valley Parade. |
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Post by rambo on Sept 19, 2016 7:00:59 GMT
With all due respect, are you incapable of reading? Agreed, it's not something which should be sung at Valley Parade and I'm sure it wouldn't have had people been educated on the matter. You can't be showing a lack of respect if you have no knowledge on what you're deemed to be disrespecting! Yes, thank you for asking, I am very capable of reading: I have to be as my hearing is not that good, so I have to rely on the written word. You were not aware of that so I agree with your opinion that as you did not know that then you were not being disrespectful: However, one does not follow, "with all due respect" with a veiled insult as it makes the quoted remark redundant and is disrespectful. I am sure that many younger football fans are aware of the fire at Valley Parade. The 30th anniversary was very much in the news in April of last year, so would have brought it to the attention of many of those who were previously unaware of it. There are things that happened before I was born of which I am aware, as well as some in my lifetime: Ibrox Park has more than it fair share of disasters, one in 1902, another in 1961, and yet another in 1971. The latter two being in my lifetime but I am aware of the first. One at Bolton's old Burnden Park ground in 1946 (before my time). Heysel Stadium in 1985. Then of course there is the Munich air disaster. I was too young to know about the Munich air crash but became aware of it at a young age and I reckon thge majority of all football fans, no matter what age, are aware of that. Maybe I am too interested in football and its history so that makes me old and miserable, as Paulpirate puts it. It's sad that more aren't clued up on historic tragedies which have occurred in the past in the sport we all love. But thats just life. I also bet there are a fair few fans who know of the incident but in the heat of the moment Saturday either forgot it was Bradford or weren't quick enough to link the song to the tragedy. I agree with you, the song should not be sang at Valley Parade. However it was your suggestion that it was disrespectful I am disagreeing with. How can something be said or sang in a disrespectful manner if those singing are unaware or forgetful of the events? |
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Post by LJG on Sept 19, 2016 8:48:34 GMT
How can anyone claim not to know about the Bradford City fire? We have a minutes silence for it every couple of years.
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 19, 2016 9:30:04 GMT
How can anyone claim not to know about the Bradford City fire? We have a minutes silence for it every couple of years. Goldfish memory...........................That's a nice castle............................That's a nice castle ? |
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 19, 2016 9:46:56 GMT
To be fair I didn't know about it (just turned 30) until there was all that publicity about it when they had that amazing run in the FA cup.
It's not a burned into the public psyche as Hillsborough or Heysel
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 19, 2016 9:58:47 GMT
Ingrained might be a better word.
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 19, 2016 11:30:16 GMT
Ingrained might be a better word. Yes you're right. Just call me Captain Insensitive! |
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Sept 19, 2016 11:37:20 GMT
No it is not: It is called showing respect. Whilst it may be banter at any other ground, it is not something that should be sung at Valley Parade. yeah I would be wrong if meant in a nasty way but it wasn't, the next away game everyone will have google the place before they go The fans these days are a lot better behaved than 30 yrs ago,I remember at eastville asking my dad why everyone in the ground were making monkey noises So there will be banning orders on anyone found swearing etc Don't do this before Swindon, you can't go there feeling sorry for them!! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 19, 2016 11:47:00 GMT
Ingrained might be a better word. Yes you're right. Just call me Captain Insensitive! A title I've held a few times myself. |
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