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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 11:22:18 GMT
India has a space programme and we send it aid. That's just fecking mental. And amongst the very poor they've got some seriously wealthy individuals. so redistribute it. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 10, 2015 11:24:16 GMT
And amongst the very poor they've got some seriously wealthy individuals. so redistribute it. Absolutely. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 10, 2015 11:53:12 GMT
I think it's all very political. India doesn't really need our aid but we send it anyway in return for lucrative software and defence contracts, as well as persuading Indian companies to invest in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 12:18:37 GMT
Are those the defence contracts like the recent one where the Indians bought French aircraft?
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Post by inee on Jul 10, 2015 13:55:51 GMT
And amongst the very poor they've got some seriously wealthy individuals. so redistribute it. They won't though will they, status is kind of embedded in the culture, but what is wealth to the poorest Indians , some of the poor consider themselves wealthy if they can afford a room in a brick building with electric. but and i always say this, we should not be sending money abroad at all, to my mind we send money or aid, to people who live totally different live to us and have different morals, traditions and cultures. to us when this filters down what then prices are driven up ,so say in india a person has to earn 5 rupees a day to feed and accommodate the family, when idiots like us start giving then the only thing that really happens is that prices go up and wages so now they have to earn 10 rupees a day to survive, which for the poor means longer hours or more dangerous work, when we stop giving prices remain high but the opportunity to earn that money are reduced, it's a vicious cycle caused by do-gooders like geldof and other idiots who don't think. I'm not saying we should not help in disasters like Nepal (in fact we should have done more for Nepal). I used to work with a pakistani , he owned a very small machine shop in pakistan and rented it out, he used to go home once a year to visit family and collect rent on his business, which was ridiculously low, i asked him why bother why not sell it as you get sod all from it, his reply was status when i go home im treated differently than here because i have a buisness, it's so engerained in their culture |
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Post by aghast on Jul 10, 2015 17:17:06 GMT
Are those the defence contracts like the recent one where the Indians bought French aircraft? I didn't say the 'system' worked properly, just that I think it exists. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:34:36 GMT
Meanwhile, today in Greece.....
The Greek parliament is voting today on a deal everyone knows is infeasible, the IMF rejects it & Schäuble doesn't want it.
That'll end well then.
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Post by aghast on Jul 15, 2015 17:33:02 GMT
Greece owes about £225 Billion to the EU, the IMF and banks around the world. It owes about £22 Billion to the IMF, who want £1 Billion of that paid back, which the Greeks can't afford. And even if they could afford £1 Billion, they might stuggle a bit with the remaining £224 Billion.
The numbers are so large they're just silly. Greece will never, ever, ever pay that lot back, and everyone realises it.
They're just pouring cash into a hopeless project that was dodgy from the start and doomed now. And I'm talking about keeping the Greeks in the Euro, not the UWE stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 19:06:41 GMT
Complete self interest, but I'm on holiday abroad in Greece in 6 weeks. Will it be ok? Will we be able to buy food and such? What money will we need??
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 15, 2015 19:21:14 GMT
Complete self interest, but I'm on holiday abroad in Greece in 6 weeks. Will it be ok? Will we be able to buy food and such? What money will we need?? Euros and plenty of them as I hear a lot of the banks are closed. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 16, 2015 6:22:48 GMT
Complete self interest, but I'm on holiday abroad in Greece in 6 weeks. Will it be ok? Will we be able to buy food and such? What money will we need?? You'll be the richest chap in the entire country. And the biggest target. Mate is going soon and is a tad worried being a tourist where the locals know you've got lots of cash. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 9:16:30 GMT
I came back recently from Greece. Our second week there, the banks were closed. Although there are limits on the cashpoints the problem was actually finding any cashpoints with cash in them !
Also, the shops had stopped taking credit cards on the very first day the banks closed. So, take what cash you need and use the safe in your room. The Greek people are always very nice, as good hospitality is very strong in their culture. We had a great time, even though my missus is a German (although she is fluent in Greek so that helped).
So, you may or may not be able to get cash, and you may or may not be able to use your cards, so it's the 7 P's, Proper Planning & Preparation Prevent water Poor Performance.
Always remember, in any Third World country, cash is king !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 10:07:59 GMT
My take on the current mess........
There is no mechanism for either throwing a country out of the Euro, or from the EU. A country can only leave if they decide to leave. So, the Germans wanted Grexit, but it was something they couldn't force. The Greeks had to leave of their own accord. So, a deal was put before them, that was far worse than the deal that provoked a loud "NO" from the referendum. It was a no-brainer, and surely the Greeks would not accept it, and therefore leave the EU, Euro........I imagine the Germans were stunned when the Greeks accepted the terms, which is why the Eurozone Ministers are now scrambling around trying to find where the money is coming from to loan the Greeks. The deal was never ever meant to be accepted. It was meant to be so bad that the Greeks would turn it down, which is why we now have the situation where everyone and his dog are saying the deal is unworkable, yet everyone is working to make it happen ! Nobody wants the finger pointed at them saying they were the ones who forced Greece out. It's a war of politics, egos and perception. Finance and economics are not the issue.
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Post by supergas on Jul 19, 2015 10:24:35 GMT
My take on the current mess........ There is no mechanism for either throwing a country out of the Euro, or from the EU. A country can only leave if they decide to leave. So, the Germans wanted Grexit, but it was something they couldn't force. The Greeks had to leave of their own accord. So, a deal was put before them, that was far worse than the deal that provoked a loud "NO" from the referendum. It was a no-brainer, and surely the Greeks would not accept it, and therefore leave the EU, Euro........I imagine the Germans were stunned when the Greeks accepted the terms, which is why the Eurozone Ministers are now scrambling around trying to find where the money is coming from to loan the Greeks. The deal was never ever meant to be accepted. It was meant to be so bad that the Greeks would turn it down, which is why we now have the situation where everyone and his dog are saying the deal is unworkable, yet everyone is working to make it happen ! Nobody wants the finger pointed at them saying they were the ones who forced Greece out. It's a war of politics, egos and perception. Finance and economics are not the issue. Well I would be happy for David Cameron to stand up (even though we're not a member of the Euro) and tell them to get out. It's obvious that they fiddled their economic figures to get into it in the first place (and have been shockingly mis-managed ever since). If 'politics' demands another Euro country can't tell them to leave, then someone else should take the lead - because then the Germans, French and a few others will then owe us a favour for once. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 11:01:36 GMT
Cameron will bend over and take it....as every British PM has done. Anyone who think the British have any influence in the EU are deluded.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2015 23:03:56 GMT
Complete self interest, but I'm on holiday abroad in Greece in 6 weeks. Will it be ok? Will we be able to buy food and such? What money will we need?? You'll be the richest chap in the entire country. And the biggest target. Mate is going soon and is a tad worried being a tourist where the locals know you've got lots of cash. Tell your mate to take two wallets, one with a few Euros to give away to any mugger should the worst happen and another real one hidden away. |
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Post by inee on Jul 20, 2015 10:14:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 15:55:26 GMT
I got married in Greece and have visited several islands on probably a dozen separate occasions. They are probably the nicest people I have ever met but boy are they corrupt! The red tape I had to jump through to sort the wedding was unreal, if you were not bribing they were not interested. It wasn't just because I was a tourist either, the locals at the town hall were bidding amounts with the highest bidder being served first. Its lunacy but just the way they do things, lovely people, lovely food but man is that country ran badly. Bradshaw for President! Hugo im sure you will be fine they enjoy smashing plates not eating owls! Which part you going to?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 4:16:54 GMT
I got married in Greece and have visited several islands on probably a dozen separate occasions. They are probably the nicest people I have ever met but boy are they corrupt! The red tape I had to jump through to sort the wedding was unreal, if you were not bribing they were not interested. It wasn't just because I was a tourist either, the locals at the town hall were bidding amounts with the highest bidder being served first. Its lunacy but just the way they do things, lovely people, lovely food but man is that country ran badly. Bradshaw for President! Hugo im sure you will be fine they enjoy smashing plates not eating owls! Which part you going to? Did you marry a Greek? If so, did she shave on the day? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 7:08:51 GMT
I got married in Greece and have visited several islands on probably a dozen separate occasions. They are probably the nicest people I have ever met but boy are they corrupt! The red tape I had to jump through to sort the wedding was unreal, if you were not bribing they were not interested. It wasn't just because I was a tourist either, the locals at the town hall were bidding amounts with the highest bidder being served first. Its lunacy but just the way they do things, lovely people, lovely food but man is that country ran badly. Bradshaw for President! Hugo im sure you will be fine they enjoy smashing plates not eating owls! Which part you going to? Did you marry a Greek? If so, did she shave on the day? My missus is from Droitwich! you couldn't get less continental. No she didn't shave on the day, just wore a snood. |
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