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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2015 9:32:23 GMT
Message to fans: if you think you can do better, get yourself on a referees course and we'll see you in a few years having worked hard to get to the Football League!!! Must we? I did for 5-a-side a while back but (or because) it didn't involve any running... ...there must be people who can do better out there though. Given more and more people are 'graduating' in sports-related degrees, why are we not hiring 50 per year (at age 22) to referee at all levels, sorting as they go to the level that reflects their ability. PS. I honestly think I could do better. It's not hard to make a throw-in be taken from the correct place, yet every week every linesman/referee combo let 1/2/10 slip. Get the basics right and we'd have more respect on the more difficult decisions...
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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2015 9:40:53 GMT
I don't think the sin bin will work in football. In rugby it works because the number of players is important, but not so in football. Going down to 10 men for 15 mins isn't really going to have much effect. For the sin bin to have any effect the player should be made to be off the pitch for a minimum of 30 mins, and if they are sent to the sin bin with 5 mins to go they should be forced to carry over the lost 25 mins to the start of the next game they are selected for. That might make managers sit up and do something about discipline on the pitch. I prefer the idea of players being treated on the pitch, but the game continues, as in rugby. The ref can make a judgement call as to whether to stop the game or not. This will certainly stop players feigning injury to slow the game down. I know the ref's are not Doctor's, but if a bloke goes down holding his ankle or his knee it's not really life threatening is it ! I also think football can take something from Cricket. If a player gets booked for verbal abuse (or dissent) of the ref, he loses half a weeks wages, or a weeks wages. The reason I like the sin bin idea is that, in theory it gives an advantage to the team the offence was committed against. Say (for example) in the penultimate game of the season two Dover players commit 'sin bin offences' in the space of a couple of minutes...instead of us playing against 9 players for 5-10 minutes, they might both end up picking up enough bookings to be suspended for the next game against Forest Green....where we might want them to be playing...the fouls committed against us might actually help another team who are competing against us overall in the league...
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 11, 2015 10:10:19 GMT
I did for 5-a-side a while back but (or because) it didn't involve any running... ...there must be people who can do better out there though. Given more and more people are 'graduating' in sports-related degrees, why are we not hiring 50 per year (at age 22) to referee at all levels, sorting as they go to the level that reflects their ability. PS. I honestly think I could do better. It's not hard to make a throw-in be taken from the correct place, yet every week every linesman/referee combo let 1/2/10 slip. Get the basics right and we'd have more respect on the more difficult decisions... Well, I think ex-players potentially make the best refs, for any level. I know I've been reffed by teenagers and early-twenties refs (at pub level) and they've almost always been horrific. Almost like they never played the game, coz they were trying to become a ref. Having said that, I acknowledge it's an extremely difficult thing to do.
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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2015 11:00:19 GMT
I did for 5-a-side a while back but (or because) it didn't involve any running... ...there must be people who can do better out there though. Given more and more people are 'graduating' in sports-related degrees, why are we not hiring 50 per year (at age 22) to referee at all levels, sorting as they go to the level that reflects their ability. PS. I honestly think I could do better. It's not hard to make a throw-in be taken from the correct place, yet every week every linesman/referee combo let 1/2/10 slip. Get the basics right and we'd have more respect on the more difficult decisions... Well, I think ex-players potentially make the best refs, for any level. I know I've been reffed by teenagers and early-twenties refs (at pub level) and they've almost always been horrific. Almost like they never played the game, coz they were trying to become a ref. Having said that, I acknowledge it's an extremely difficult thing to do. I agree it's extremely difficult. I also think those currently doing it are under performing. Surely there is a way to improve the current standard?
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Post by diddygas on Feb 11, 2015 11:52:30 GMT
I have watched games this season and listened to people around me slating referees for "awful" decisions but in truth the decisions have been correct. The problem has been that the decision has been against us. I have been a referee myself for many years and I honestly believe that I see the game very differently to before. An example would be when a ball ricochets between two players for a throw on the halfway line. 22 players will appeal plus coaches. One team will be happy that I have made the correct call in awarding them the throw, the other will react as if I have murdered a baby! I really believe football has a sickness that needs to be cured. I totally agree with sin bin but for dissent only. Referee ca and will get other decisions wrong but dissent is always clear cut. Perhaps then players will get on with playing?
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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2015 12:46:55 GMT
I have watched games this season and listened to people around me slating referees for "awful" decisions but in truth the decisions have been correct. The problem has been that the decision has been against us. I have been a referee myself for many years and I honestly believe that I see the game very differently to before. An example would be when a ball ricochets between two players for a throw on the halfway line. 22 players will appeal plus coaches. One team will be happy that I have made the correct call in awarding them the throw, the other will react as if I have murdered a baby! I really believe football has a sickness that needs to be cured. I totally agree with sin bin but for dissent only. Referee ca and will get other decisions wrong but dissent is always clear cut. Perhaps then players will get on with playing? I see your point and respect you've been a referee. However my original point was petty but important - whoever has the throw-in, it should be taken from the correct place. Whoever has a free-kick, it should be taken from the correct place. If referees start to get these simple things right, we'll respect them more on the more complicated ones
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Post by diddygas on Feb 11, 2015 13:39:47 GMT
I absolutely agree but I also know that I would be slated for being fussy and probably told that "it's not all about you ref". Managers will mark me down as would assessors for not allowing the game to flow. Yes managers get to score referees and I have never had a higher score from the losing team than the winning one. My point is that the referee faces many outside pressures.... Doing the right thing in half of opinions could lose him / her a decent game the following week.
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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2015 22:46:07 GMT
I absolutely agree but I also know that I would be slated for being fussy and probably told that "it's not all about you ref". Managers will mark me down as would assessors for not allowing the game to flow. Yes managers get to score referees and I have never had a higher score from the losing team than the winning one. My point is that the referee faces many outside pressures.... Doing the right thing in half of opinions could lose him / her a decent game the following week. So why are referees not sorting this out? Managing upwards and getting together to fix it? If it's a foul on the halfway line it's a foul in the penalty box, except we all know it won't be given. If the ball went out right next to the corner flag why is the throw-in taken in line with the 18-yard box? Half of me thinks refs should have more pressure on them (especially about the small stuff) and half of me thinks they should have less pressure (on the big stuff)...trouble is, no one seems to be making any improvements (with or without pressure)...?
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