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Post by DrFaustus on Oct 31, 2024 9:40:40 GMT
We are living proof, life long season ticket holders, Taylor broke us last season, and the new board gave us little faith for the future, and so, we did not renew our season tickets. Attended the Wigan game and for the first time since supporting and attending games since 1966 we walked out with a third of the game still to play. I have seen nothing that will change my mind that things will change, I muttered as I left the Wigan game “ I won’t be back until that idiot is gone!! “. Sadly I now find myself asking why bother!!! Feel exactly the same, but did renew my season ticket again. It`s just something I do now ( a bit like muscle memory ). Renew house insurance, renew car insurance, renew season ticket. I do regularly ask myself why I bother, when at the moment I get so little back for my time and money. But I live in hope that Taylor can turn things around or ( more likely ) we get rid and bring in someone who knows what they`re doing. Same here WW. Have already missed some games this season because of holiday and health and haven't been that bothered. Main enjoyment for me while Mr T is here, is seeing mates before and during the "football". Will be there the next 3 Saturdays and am expecting very little from any of the three games. We should beat WSM, but it would be no surprise if not. Zero connect with the manager, most of the players and most definitely the owners. UTFG and all that. 🏴☠️ |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 9:42:22 GMT
It’s like anything really isn’t it? If you go for a meal and it’s substandard you don’t go back. Football gets a little more leeway as people are emotionally attached to their club but in today’s world where there are so many other options you have to put a good product on show. We’ve been watching substandard football for close to 6 years now bar a small window in league 2 where the football was exciting and we were winning. A simple question for anyone who doesn’t think it’s the football why people are staying away….if we were around the top 6 and playing exciting football do you think we’d be getting the same crowds? 😆 the crowds would be bigger. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 9:50:51 GMT
Yeah. What? I could walk in there on a Saturday afternoon(emersons) and point at lots of rovers fans who would have been at games in the past. Now they'd rather spend £200 a month in a sauna instead! People try to over simplify things. There's plenty of reasons why people stop going; the quality of the football, the cost of living crisis, the facilities, the atmosphere, life... I don't think there's much around the club to enthuse people at the moment on and off the field but it's Dam hard out there as well. Implying everyone is down the pub launching 8 pints or sat in a sauna at David Lloyd is pretty blinkered. Ok. I was merely giving examples of what I see. Those examples might account for hundreds of fans from East Bristol alone.. Other factors will play a part, but I could find 100 lads on any Saturday around BS15 who would be at a home game but aren't. Those lads will be in a pub or at the gym spending money. If we were top of the league and providing a good service, our crowds would be higher. It can't be denied. |
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 31, 2024 9:56:25 GMT
People try to over simplify things. There's plenty of reasons why people stop going; the quality of the football, the cost of living crisis, the facilities, the atmosphere, life... I don't think there's much around the club to enthuse people at the moment on and off the field but it's Dam hard out there as well. Implying everyone is down the pub launching 8 pints or sat in a sauna at David Lloyd is pretty blinkered. Ok. I was merely giving examples of what I see. Those examples might account for hundreds of fans from East Bristol alone.. Other factors will play a part, but I could find 100 lads on any Saturday around BS15 who would be at a home game but aren't. Those lads will be in a pub or at the gym spending money. If we were top of the league and providing a good service, our crowds would be higher. It can't be denied. There's obviously an element of that but I also know people who's disposable income has fallen off a cliff. Oh and as a little aside our average attendance in 2024 is higher than 22 of the 28 years we've had since moving back to Bristol source. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 10:21:44 GMT
Ok. I was merely giving examples of what I see. Those examples might account for hundreds of fans from East Bristol alone.. Other factors will play a part, but I could find 100 lads on any Saturday around BS15 who would be at a home game but aren't. Those lads will be in a pub or at the gym spending money. If we were top of the league and providing a good service, our crowds would be higher. It can't be denied. There's obviously an element of that but I also know people who's disposable income has fallen off a cliff. Oh and as a little aside our average attendance in 2024 is higher than 22 of the 28 years we've had since moving back to Bristol source. Fair. Ultimately we can only discuss on here. Someone at the club earns a salary to attract people to games by whatever means available. That's interesting about our average. If that's good news and progress then great. The ground is 40% empty though and the atmosphere is worse than before. Hopefully we can improve our WDL and entice some fans in. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 31, 2024 10:25:23 GMT
I’ve been told that as long as we aren’t deep in a delegation scrap he’s staying. So I think it’s time we stop moaning, get all these negative threads and anti-MT threads locked and start being gasheads again and give the manager our support. I’ve moaned about him like we all have but just think we need to draw a line under it as the atmosphere at home games and in general is awful and we need to start helping out some of these young lads who need support on the pitch (there are some rotten eggs in the squad who I believe will be exited). I fully get that the players and staff need to help create that bond, MT not applauding the fans after hudd was indefensible for example, but we are where we are and let’s start being a united club. UTG. Rant over. I agree to an extent. It was always the case avoiding relegation was the first objective . The bookies and pundits predicted 16th place for us and other fans of clubs said this too. Equally the board shouldn't of raised expectations last year about a play off push and extra ground improvements. We all know we are 3-5 years away from even thinking about this. Moving forward let's get behind the club and stay in division one as the first aim. Better to have a humble realistic expectation than be a wannabe club. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 31, 2024 10:53:05 GMT
It’s like anything really isn’t it? If you go for a meal and it’s substandard you don’t go back. Football gets a little more leeway as people are emotionally attached to their club but in today’s world where there are so many other options you have to put a good product on show. We’ve been watching substandard football for close to 6 years now bar a small window in league 2 where the football was exciting and we were winning. A simple question for anyone who doesn’t think it’s the football why people are staying away….if we were around the top 6 and playing exciting football do you think we’d be getting the same crowds? If you were running Rovers purely as a business then I'm sure it would be tempting to get relegated back to L2 so we can 2 or 3 seasons of top 6 football before getting promoted, then repeat it again indefinitely as I can't see we'll ever be play off candidates in L1 until the Mem is ever redeveloped. Roadman would be happy as the Mem would be both packed and bouncing for a couple of seasons. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 31, 2024 13:37:20 GMT
We have scored 6 goals in open play this season at home and 2 from set pieces, this is in six games. Just beating poor teams, I say just, 1-0 twice v Northampton and Shrews, 2-0 Cambridge, 3-2 Charlton. Fans are not leaving the Mem seeing end to end games, opposition battered. Something like 1.33 goals a home game, we’ve also let in 8 goals. The Wigan 0-4 will have killed off a lot, the Wycombe game was brutal as well losing 1-2 in the last minute. You factor all this in, why would you go if you could find an excuse not to, the Firestick?This is a business, the product and entertainment is minimal, we are in the entertainment business. What we are seeing now is the Cogs situation again, the big difference is he started to win us over and was winning away from home as well, 1200 at Portman Road saw it and the league table in December showed us nearly 2nd in the league. MT can’t get us points away from home, he’s made the home games life and death for us whilst making it uncomfortable to watch at times, only man has created this. We have more pace in the squad than we’ve had for years, athleticism all over the pitch, I don’t see end to end football, counter attacking like the Red Arrows, we can’t get men into the box, we have Ward and Lindsay or Conteh massaging Wilson’s legs when the ball goes in the opposition box. Because if you cut me in half, you'll see blue and white quarters. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 31, 2024 13:42:40 GMT
We have scored 6 goals in open play this season at home and 2 from set pieces, this is in six games. Just beating poor teams, I say just, 1-0 twice v Northampton and Shrews, 2-0 Cambridge, 3-2 Charlton. Fans are not leaving the Mem seeing end to end games, opposition battered. Something like 1.33 goals a home game, we’ve also let in 8 goals. The Wigan 0-4 will have killed off a lot, the Wycombe game was brutal as well losing 1-2 in the last minute. You factor all this in, why would you go if you could find an excuse not to, the Firestick?This is a business, the product and entertainment is minimal, we are in the entertainment business. What we are seeing now is the Cogs situation again, the big difference is he started to win us over and was winning away from home as well, 1200 at Portman Road saw it and the league table in December showed us nearly 2nd in the league. MT can’t get us points away from home, he’s made the home games life and death for us whilst making it uncomfortable to watch at times, only man has created this. We have more pace in the squad than we’ve had for years, athleticism all over the pitch, I don’t see end to end football, counter attacking like the Red Arrows, we can’t get men into the box, we have Ward and Lindsay or Conteh massaging Wilson’s legs when the ball goes in the opposition box. Because if you cut me in half, you'll see blue and white quarters. . Yep and I was one of the 2,000 at Twerton as well, issue is not everyone always feels blue and white inside but you can have a medal still or trophy if you want?! |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 31, 2024 14:16:47 GMT
Ok. I was merely giving examples of what I see. Those examples might account for hundreds of fans from East Bristol alone.. Other factors will play a part, but I could find 100 lads on any Saturday around BS15 who would be at a home game but aren't. Those lads will be in a pub or at the gym spending money. If we were top of the league and providing a good service, our crowds would be higher. It can't be denied. There's obviously an element of that but I also know people who's disposable income has fallen off a cliff. Oh and as a little aside our average attendance in 2024 is higher than 22 of the 28 years we've had since moving back to Bristol source. I think the 8190 listed under 2024 is for the 23/24 season, which would make sense as that’s when we finished 61st in the football league. Attendances are definitely down this season: v Northampton 8529 v Cambridge 7893 v Wigan 7925 v Wycombe 7814 v Charlton 6638 v Shrewsbury 6361 Average 7527 Given that we’ve won four out of those six matches, and we started out with an attendance above last season’s average, the figures are a bit damming, suggesting that the entertainment on show and general enthusiasm for the current regime could be big factors. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 31, 2024 16:03:15 GMT
There's obviously an element of that but I also know people who's disposable income has fallen off a cliff. Oh and as a little aside our average attendance in 2024 is higher than 22 of the 28 years we've had since moving back to Bristol source. I think the 8190 listed under 2024 is for the 23/24 season, which would make sense as that’s when we finished 61st in the football league. Attendances are definitely down this season: v Northampton 8529 v Cambridge 7893 v Wigan 7925 v Wycombe 7814 v Charlton 6638 v Shrewsbury 6361 Average 7527 Given that we’ve won four out of those six matches, and we started out with an attendance above last season’s average, the figures are a bit damming, suggesting that the entertainment on show and general enthusiasm for the current regime could be big factors.Pretty much like most seasons i've experienced in L1. We never seem to be able to challenge in this league, even when we spend money, and are always looking over our shoulders. |
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 31, 2024 16:06:55 GMT
I think the 8190 listed under 2024 is for the 23/24 season, which would make sense as that’s when we finished 61st in the football league. Attendances are definitely down this season: v Northampton 8529 v Cambridge 7893 v Wigan 7925 v Wycombe 7814 v Charlton 6638 v Shrewsbury 6361 Average 7527 Given that we’ve won four out of those six matches, and we started out with an attendance above last season’s average, the figures are a bit damming, suggesting that the entertainment on show and general enthusiasm for the current regime could be big factors.Pretty much like most seasons i've experienced in L1. We never seem to be able to challenge in this league, even when we spend money, and are always looking over our shoulders. Even when we spent a good part of the season challenging everyone thought the football was sh**. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 31, 2024 16:08:53 GMT
Because if you cut me in half, you'll see blue and white quarters. . Yep and I was one of the 2,000 at Twerton as well, issue is not everyone always feels blue and white inside but you can have a medal still or trophy if you want?! Thanks. I'll take the medal as a Trophy normally has to be given back. If Rovers fans stay away because they don't like the football or the results then that is up to them. I've asked this question before: What would fans rather have, Playoffs/Promotion from league 2 or mid table league 1. It sounds like they would rather have promotion from league 2 but that has to follow a relegation. Traditionally, we have always been in this division. With a few seasons of promotion to the 2nd division 3 times in our history. Now, it feels like we are moving towards being a division 4 team with promotions to division 3. Those fans that are staying away due to the football, I have called 'plastics' before and I still think they are plastics. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 31, 2024 16:13:39 GMT
I think I'm missing something. Maybe everything.
Discounting the Mickey Mouse Cup, which of course I do because it's meaningless, we've won three of the last five League 1 games.
You know, the ones that actually count.
That's promotion form.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 31, 2024 16:18:13 GMT
There's obviously an element of that but I also know people who's disposable income has fallen off a cliff. Oh and as a little aside our average attendance in 2024 is higher than 22 of the 28 years we've had since moving back to Bristol source. I think the 8190 listed under 2024 is for the 23/24 season, which would make sense as that’s when we finished 61st in the football league. Attendances are definitely down this season: v Northampton 8529 v Cambridge 7893 v Wigan 7925 v Wycombe 7814 v Charlton 6638 v Shrewsbury 6361 Average 7527 Given that we’ve won four out of those six matches, and we started out with an attendance above last season’s average, the figures are a bit damming, suggesting that the entertainment on show and general enthusiasm for the current regime could be big factors. If you put all clubs (92) into a computer on attendance . We will come out 19 in division one . If attendances continue to fall donny swindon carlilse could overtake us and we could drop to 22nd average attendance in division one overall. Forget about Bradford & notts county even chesterfield and Wimbledon average more. Based on that fact survival in division one would be a good outcome . We are not a well supported club and the bookies pundits attendances predictions ) of our leauge position is spot on 16-18th. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Oct 31, 2024 16:31:27 GMT
. Yep and I was one of the 2,000 at Twerton as well, issue is not everyone always feels blue and white inside but you can have a medal still or trophy if you want?! Thanks. I'll take the medal as a Trophy normally has to be given back. If Rovers fans stay away because they don't like the football or the results then that is up to them. I've asked this question before: What would fans rather have, Playoffs/Promotion from league 2 or mid table league 1. It sounds like they would rather have promotion from league 2 but that has to follow a relegation. Traditionally, we have always been in this division. With a few seasons of promotion to the 2nd division 3 times in our history. Now, it feels like we are moving towards being a division 4 team with promotions to division 3. Those fans that are staying away due to the football, I have called 'plastics' before and I still think they are plastics. So if someone decides the product on offer isn’t good value for money after years and years of going without fail, in your mind they are a plastic? Dear me. |
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Post by albaron on Oct 31, 2024 16:32:59 GMT
. Yep and I was one of the 2,000 at Twerton as well, issue is not everyone always feels blue and white inside but you can have a medal still or trophy if you want?! Thanks. I'll take the medal as a Trophy normally has to be given back. If Rovers fans stay away because they don't like the football or the results then that is up to them. I've asked this question before: What would fans rather have, Playoffs/Promotion from league 2 or mid table league 1. It sounds like they would rather have promotion from league 2 but that has to follow a relegation. Traditionally, we have always been in this division. With a few seasons of promotion to the 2nd division 3 times in our history. Now, it feels like we are moving towards being a division 4 team with promotions to division 3. Those fans that are staying away due to the football, I have called 'plastics' before and I still think they are plastics. Well if you asked me. I would sooner be in the Third Divison anyday than Division Four. When I started supporting the club (61/62 season ) we were Division Two and I never ever thought we would drop to the Fourth. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 16:39:50 GMT
. Yep and I was one of the 2,000 at Twerton as well, issue is not everyone always feels blue and white inside but you can have a medal still or trophy if you want?! Thanks. I'll take the medal as a Trophy normally has to be given back. If Rovers fans stay away because they don't like the football or the results then that is up to them. I've asked this question before: What would fans rather have, Playoffs/Promotion from league 2 or mid table league 1. It sounds like they would rather have promotion from league 2 but that has to follow a relegation. Traditionally, we have always been in this division. With a few seasons of promotion to the 2nd division 3 times in our history. Now, it feels like we are moving towards being a division 4 team with promotions to division 3. Those fans that are staying away due to the football, I have called 'plastics' before and I still think they are plastics. I'm a plastic by this description. Not just the football being bad, but the facilities, general feeling on a matchday, poor value for almost everything that's available to purchase, uninviting for my kids. That said, I've got shirts, a tattoo, watch most games and evangelise about the GAS on my travels. I'm sure the club and finance people would love 10% of our plastics to regularly attend games...but i can't because it's sh**! |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 31, 2024 16:50:22 GMT
Worst day of my life was when we dropped out of the league which should never have been allowed to happen.
The other Bristol team's fans had a field day and the one jibe that hurt the most was a team pic with the caption,'Playing soon at a park near you'.
I recall us playing ;Liverpool,Fulham ,Leeds,Forest etc at Eastville.Don't suppose we will get back to that in my lifetime but we mustn't be allowed to slip further either division wise or to fail to enhance our somewhat very modest stadium.Down here,Muff and Exeter put our disabled and catering ' facilities to shame and neither club is traditionally ' Bigger' than us.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 31, 2024 17:11:27 GMT
Swindon's average gates are down to 7,000 this season so they've lost 1,000 off their gates from last season.
Our average gates are around 15th having not really played any teams with big away followings, I imagine without a top 6 push that's where our owners expected us to be. There's little real prospect of us breaking into the top half as to do see we'd need average gates of 9K+
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