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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 14, 2024 14:06:04 GMT
Assuming he stays fit until the end of the season Rossiter must be worth the risk, as he could be the difference between a mid table or top 6 finish? Sadly I don't think Ward is worth the risk, even if the same applies to him, as he just can't stay fit. Ward is still under contact though isn't he?? Can we afford to have both?? Rossitier has only ever played over half of the games, once in his entire career! Great ability, but it's not a small risk, it's a massive risk. Some have said offer him a short term deal, or pay as you play etc. That is definitely an option, but if someone gambles and offers him a longer deal, he's unlikely to take a shorter deal. |
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Post by warwickgas on Apr 14, 2024 14:24:06 GMT
He was impressive yesterday. I think the chances of a club offering a longer term contract are small. With his injury record the offer of some kind of short term or “pay as you play”deal with us is surely the most likely outcome. The signals from Taylor strongly suggest he wants to keep him.
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Post by lg on Apr 14, 2024 14:49:52 GMT
Hunt, Rossiter and Ward should be starters but we have to offset this with younger cheaper players we can develop - Hoole, Gordon, Lawrence, Shaw etc Hopefully we develop a style of play which is right for us, we get organised and everyone (and their squad replacements) knows their jobs. Throughout the season we have injuries, tactical and formation changes and square pegs in round holes and wholesale changes week from week. It is good to have a plan B, but we went past plan Z in November. For all the talk of the best team, we have to learn from mistakes on the past (Jones should have played in the last 3-4 matches last season and Macey, Sinclair, Shaquille Hunter etc before them. It worked for Kite, G Williams, Slatter and Ollie. Hopefully Shaw, Lawrence, Hall etc get a few minutes. Better to play now, than having injuries when we are desperate for points this time next year and not knowing if they can cope mentally or physically, so we can try to develop them in all aspects over the next season. But how much time do you spend trying to develop the likes of Hoole & Gordon before deciding they aren't going to make it, given neither has hardly developed over the last 2 years and, if anything, have both regressed, Hoole in particular, look at the difference yesterday when Hunt actually got as far the byline before crossing the ball. Who's really likely to develop more, Baggott if we could sign him, or Hoole?? As far as playing the other youngsters I pay good money to watch a competitive game I don't want to watch us lose giving youngsters game time when they can get that in the pre-season friendlies. I sense MT (& the co-owners?) have now got that message. I've always been impressed with Hoole. Every game I've seen him he's been one of the top performers. Don't get all the scepticism around him, I think he has real potential. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 14, 2024 15:13:13 GMT
But how much time do you spend trying to develop the likes of Hoole & Gordon before deciding they aren't going to make it, given neither has hardly developed over the last 2 years and, if anything, have both regressed, Hoole in particular, look at the difference yesterday when Hunt actually got as far the byline before crossing the ball. Who's really likely to develop more, Baggott if we could sign him, or Hoole?? As far as playing the other youngsters I pay good money to watch a competitive game I don't want to watch us lose giving youngsters game time when they can get that in the pre-season friendlies. I sense MT (& the co-owners?) have now got that message. I've always been impressed with Hoole. Every game I've seen him he's been one of the top performers. Don't get all the scepticism around him, I think he has real potential. You must be watching different games than me then, he's an average defender, and worse than Leadbetter when going forward, this season in particular I can't recall him putting one decent cross into the box. |
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Post by eric on Apr 14, 2024 15:17:58 GMT
But how much time do you spend trying to develop the likes of Hoole & Gordon before deciding they aren't going to make it, given neither has hardly developed over the last 2 years and, if anything, have both regressed, Hoole in particular, look at the difference yesterday when Hunt actually got as far the byline before crossing the ball. Who's really likely to develop more, Baggott if we could sign him, or Hoole?? As far as playing the other youngsters I pay good money to watch a competitive game I don't want to watch us lose giving youngsters game time when they can get that in the pre-season friendlies. I sense MT (& the co-owners?) have now got that message. I've always been impressed with Hoole. Every game I've seen him he's been one of the top performers. Don't get all the scepticism around him, I think he has real potential. I would keep Hoole and Gordon. At the moment I don’t think either is good enough to be a starter for a whole season in a promotion chasing league one team but as back up/squad players they are decent - unless you are a big club with the highest budget you can’t have two first XI standard players for every position on the pitch. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 14, 2024 18:29:13 GMT
But how much time do you spend trying to develop the likes of Hoole & Gordon before deciding they aren't going to make it, given neither has hardly developed over the last 2 years and, if anything, have both regressed, Hoole in particular, look at the difference yesterday when Hunt actually got as far the byline before crossing the ball. Who's really likely to develop more, Baggott if we could sign him, or Hoole?? As far as playing the other youngsters I pay good money to watch a competitive game I don't want to watch us lose giving youngsters game time when they can get that in the pre-season friendlies. I sense MT (& the co-owners?) have now got that message. I've always been impressed with Hoole. Every game I've seen him he's been one of the top performers. Don't get all the scepticism around him, I think he has real potential. Up to April 2nd Hoole had achieved a rating of 5.02 from 13 appearances this season from posters on this forum. Hardly inspiring. For the same period in 15 performances Gordon had received a rating of 4.82. That suggests to me we could do a lot better. |
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Post by gasmonkey on Apr 14, 2024 19:10:45 GMT
I’d be inclined to offer Rossiter a contract. It will be a gamble but I think pay as you play is a bit unfair. I’ve heard even Bristol Rovers players are human and have financial commitments. I think he’s a very good player (even back when he came through the Liverpool academy) I thought before he was injured he was playing very well. He got injured Dec 22 and we’ve pretty much not been as good since. Hopefully he’s over his injury worries, there’s certainly a good player there. Same for Grant Ward!
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Post by Quarters on Apr 14, 2024 19:24:08 GMT
I've always been impressed with Hoole. Every game I've seen him he's been one of the top performers. Don't get all the scepticism around him, I think he has real potential. Up to April 2nd Hoole had achieved a rating of 5.02 from 13 appearances this season from posters on this forum. Hardly inspiring. For the same period in 15 performances Gordon had received a rating of 4.82. That suggests to me we could do a lot better. Or it's a comment about those who "rate" |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 14, 2024 19:33:33 GMT
It's easy to say let's get rid of pretty much everyone as we can do better but the reality is this isn't football manager and recruiting a completely new squad in a single window isn't feasible.
If as has been reported the playing budget is likely to be reduced then keeping players like Hoole & Gordon who aren't likely to be big earners & also have the potential to improve makes absolute sense. Both of them have rarely been injured which is another consideration after the season we've had.
I'm probably contradicting myself but although Rossiter has missed so much football I think he makes such a difference he's worth the gamble. Obviously budget will play a big part in who we keep and what we can offer but a fit Rossiter wouldn't be at Rovers, I'd make an exception in his case
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 14, 2024 19:45:28 GMT
Up to April 2nd Hoole had achieved a rating of 5.02 from 13 appearances this season from posters on this forum. Hardly inspiring. For the same period in 15 performances Gordon had received a rating of 4.82. That suggests to me we could do a lot better. Or it's a comment about those who "rate" I know several of the posters and they know their football without any doubt and have contributed to this thread for many years. New contributors to the thread welcome and then if you have seen the game live or watched on ifollow you can add your ratings to the thread. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 14, 2024 20:10:23 GMT
It's easy to say let's get rid of pretty much everyone as we can do better but the reality is this isn't football manager and recruiting a completely new squad in a single window isn't feasible. If as has been reported the playing budget is likely to be reduced then keeping players like Hoole & Gordon who aren't likely to be big earners & also have the potential to improve makes absolute sense. Both of them have rarely been injured which is another consideration after the season we've had. I'm probably contradicting myself but although Rossiter has missed so much football I think he makes such a difference he's worth the gamble. Obviously budget will play a big part in who we keep and what we can offer but a fit Rossiter wouldn't be at Rovers, I'd make an exception in his case If Hoole and Gordon have the potential to improve why have neither improved in the last couple of seasons? The fact they were both dropped and we score and win our first game for weeks surely suggests neither is up to L1 football, and I doubt they ever will be, if we do release them you can virtually guarantee they won't get contract offers from any other clubs in L1. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 14, 2024 20:18:12 GMT
I've always been impressed with Hoole. Every game I've seen him he's been one of the top performers. Don't get all the scepticism around him, I think he has real potential. You must be watching different games than me then, he's an average defender, and worse than Leadbetter when going forward, this season in particular I can't recall him putting one decent cross into the box. I thought the last couple of home games he’s looked more than ok, got forward and found space, rather him than Hunt. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 14, 2024 20:22:44 GMT
It's easy to say let's get rid of pretty much everyone as we can do better but the reality is this isn't football manager and recruiting a completely new squad in a single window isn't feasible. If as has been reported the playing budget is likely to be reduced then keeping players like Hoole & Gordon who aren't likely to be big earners & also have the potential to improve makes absolute sense. Both of them have rarely been injured which is another consideration after the season we've had. I'm probably contradicting myself but although Rossiter has missed so much football I think he makes such a difference he's worth the gamble. Obviously budget will play a big part in who we keep and what we can offer but a fit Rossiter wouldn't be at Rovers, I'd make an exception in his case If Hoole and Gordon have the potential to improve why have neither improved in the last couple of seasons? The fact they were both dropped and we score and win our first game for weeks surely suggests neither is up to L1 football, and I doubt they ever will be, if we do release them you can virtually guarantee they won't get contract offers from any other clubs in L1. I think Lewis has improved, he’s a consistent 6.5 player, if he ups his game slightly he’d be really good, problem is what he has he had infront of him all season. I think he’s the least of our worries. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 14, 2024 20:23:20 GMT
It's easy to say let's get rid of pretty much everyone as we can do better but the reality is this isn't football manager and recruiting a completely new squad in a single window isn't feasible. If as has been reported the playing budget is likely to be reduced then keeping players like Hoole & Gordon who aren't likely to be big earners & also have the potential to improve makes absolute sense. Both of them have rarely been injured which is another consideration after the season we've had. I'm probably contradicting myself but although Rossiter has missed so much football I think he makes such a difference he's worth the gamble. Obviously budget will play a big part in who we keep and what we can offer but a fit Rossiter wouldn't be at Rovers, I'd make an exception in his case If Hoole and Gordon have the potential to improve why have neither improved in the last couple of seasons? The fact they were both dropped and we score and win our first game for weeks surely suggests neither is up to L1 football, and I doubt they ever will be, if we do release them you can virtually guarantee they won't get contract offers from any other clubs in L1. Hoole looked wvery inch a league 1 full back until Barton decided he was a centre back, evrn since then he's had plenty of good games Gordon likewise has had good games since he joined, what they both lack is consistency which you get with the majority of young players. |
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Post by eric on Apr 14, 2024 20:34:03 GMT
I’d be inclined to offer Rossiter a contract. It will be a gamble but I think pay as you play is a bit unfair. I’ve heard even Bristol Rovers players are human and have financial commitments. I think he’s a very good player (even back when he came through the Liverpool academy) I thought before he was injured he was playing very well. He got injured Dec 22 and we’ve pretty much not been as good since. Hopefully he’s over his injury worries, there’s certainly a good player there. Same for Grant Ward! I don’t think anyone is suggesting zero pay unless he plays. Perhaps 50% basic and 50% appearance based so if he stays fit will remain on similar wages to his previous contract? Alternatively add in some coaching responsibility so we get some value for money if he doesn’t stay fit enough to play? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 14, 2024 20:36:48 GMT
Lets see what MT does as if something's not announced shortly, contracts wise, they'll both finish up being released at the end of the season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 14, 2024 20:39:47 GMT
I’d be inclined to offer Rossiter a contract. It will be a gamble but I think pay as you play is a bit unfair. I’ve heard even Bristol Rovers players are human and have financial commitments. I think he’s a very good player (even back when he came through the Liverpool academy) I thought before he was injured he was playing very well. He got injured Dec 22 and we’ve pretty much not been as good since. Hopefully he’s over his injury worries, there’s certainly a good player there. Same for Grant Ward! I don’t think anyone is suggesting zero pay unless he plays. Perhaps 50% basic and 50% appearance based so if he stays fit will remain on similar wages to his previous contract? Alternatively add in some coaching responsibility so we get some value for money if he doesn’t stay fit enough to play? I assume he'll take the best offer he can get, if he can get 100% for 6 months elsewhere, why mess about accepting 50% plus appearance money from us? |
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Post by eric on Apr 14, 2024 20:41:47 GMT
I don’t think anyone is suggesting zero pay unless he plays. Perhaps 50% basic and 50% appearance based so if he stays fit will remain on similar wages to his previous contract? Alternatively add in some coaching responsibility so we get some value for money if he doesn’t stay fit enough to play? I assume he'll take the best offer he can get, if he can get 100% for 6 months elsewhere, why mess about accepting 50% plus appearance money from us? No different to any other player then. We offer what we think is a fair and decent offer - the player is at liberty to agree or reject. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 14, 2024 20:42:24 GMT
If Hoole and Gordon have the potential to improve why have neither improved in the last couple of seasons? The fact they were both dropped and we score and win our first game for weeks surely suggests neither is up to L1 football, and I doubt they ever will be, if we do release them you can virtually guarantee they won't get contract offers from any other clubs in L1. I think Lewis has improved, he’s a consistent 6.5 player, if he ups his game slightly he’d be really good, problem is what he has he had infront of him all season. I think he’s the least of our worries. Are we talking about Gordon or another Lewis as he's been a major part of our shocking run of recent results. |
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Post by lg on Apr 15, 2024 5:06:26 GMT
I've always been impressed with Hoole. Every game I've seen him he's been one of the top performers. Don't get all the scepticism around him, I think he has real potential. You must be watching different games than me then, he's an average defender, and worse than Leadbetter when going forward, this season in particular I can't recall him putting one decent cross into the box. Possibly, I don't go to every game. I know he's had a dip in form but the games I've seen he's been one of the better players. Young home grown players like hoole should be a key part of the squad in the future. I've certainly seen enough potential in hoole. |
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