Israel

[yattongas]

Sounding like the hospital strike might have come from inside Gaza . ( I have no idea?)
That’s why I wait for facts to come out as there’s loads of propaganda on both sides .

[stuart1974]

To think this chap used to be an elected MP, some people really should keep their thoughts to themselves. Not helpful to anyone.

[stuart1974]

Oct 18, 2023 9:29:00 GMT yattongas said:

Sounding like the hospital strike might have come from inside Gaza . ( I have no idea?)
That’s why I wait for facts to come out as there’s loads of propaganda on both sides .

Might have been better if the news channels waited before apportioning blame as there is too much going on to be verifiable that quickly. We just don't know at this point.

There was a defence expert tweeting about the footage released, in his opinion it was most likely a rocket rather than a bomb.

And I am aware of the footage being denied and accused of being something else, so no need to post memes about timestamps, etc. Thanks on advance.

[popuppirate]

Oct 18, 2023 9:29:00 GMT yattongas said:

Sounding like the hospital strike might have come from inside Gaza . ( I have no idea?)
That’s why I wait for facts to come out as there’s loads of propaganda on both sides .

I don't know we'll ever know for sure who was responsible. It's probably more comfortable to believe it was the terrorists rather than Israel, but I can't bring myself to believe Biden would be there saying otherwise either. Have Hamas still got the means to produce this level of destruction of a site that Israel have been threatening to bomb, and who the most effective propaganda machine?
In the grand scheme of this it feels like it hardly matters as many have made their minds up already

[pirate]

Oct 18, 2023 5:24:59 GMT gulfofaden said:

Hamas build command centres in residential homes, hospitals and schools. They do this to draw sympathy from the likes of you.

Israel’s strikes came with leafleting campaigns. I’ve seen claims that the notice given wasn’t long enough, I’ve seen claims that civilians were attacked as they left, I’ve seen counter claims that this is BS. I’m not going to believe Hamas, especially after I saw them parading that raped and murdered girl around in the back of a truck, legs clearly broken, spitting on her corpse and cheering. Call me a sceptic, but I don’t naturally believe reports from the side doing this - openly targeting civilians than the other who warned civilians. It’s all available on twitter - unless these are deep fakes.

What’s your solution to this issue?

After the massacre, you’re Isreal. You know Hamas have their tunnel network under civilians. Do nothing and they kill more.

How would you solve it?

The IDF, Unit 8200 and hasbara trolls flood the Internet with disinformation to draw outrage from the likes of you as pretext to justify war crimes and what experts are describing as "a textbook case of genocide" that is being carried out.

Leafletting campaigns (the Americans dropped leaflets on Japan before they nuked them) after you've already dropped more bombs than the US did to Afghanistan on the most densely populated area on the planet and then bombing those trying to flee is a war crime. Leaflets telling people to leave or be bombed could equate to forceable transfer and a war crime in itself. Israel collectively punishing the Palestinians is certainly a war crime. 

The propaganda about beheaded babies originating from an extremist settler in the IDF and given to the i24 News channel (government mouthpiece) has fallen apart with media and journalists backing away from it, the mother of the German girl who was allegedly raped and killed (that you are horrified by and mention) was reportedly interviewed and said she is alive and being looked after in a Gaza hospital and there is nothing to substantiate the rape allegations from initial reports according to the LA Times.

This IDF tweet has been edited to remove the "evidence" because it's time stamp indicates it was shot 40 minutes AFTER the hospital was bombed:

As I pointed out, we have seen similar lies previously from Israel. A 2009 UN Fact-Finding Mission looking at the genocidal 08-09 'Operation Cast Lead' or 'Gaza Massacre' found that without warning Israel directly and intentially bombed hospitals with White Phosphorus munitions and then lied and tried to claim Hamas fighters were operating from there. The UN mission rejected those allegations from the Israeli government. 

[pirate]

“al-Shifa hospital, the largest medical facility in the Gaza Strip, ran out of fuel to power emergency generators amid Israel’s electricity blackout – a death sentence for patients including premature babies relying on life-support equipment”

[oldie]

Oct 18, 2023 8:35:37 GMT gashead79 said:

Oct 18, 2023 8:15:31 GMT oldie said:

If only you had any idea of the politics and social tension in Iran.
You dig at RD but then do what you accuse him of with regard to Iran.
Of course you may prove me wrong and post something more than a single sentence and show you have some knowledge.

I won't hold my breath.

No idea, I'm a clueless f*cking d1ckhead who posts total sh**e.
You lads and ladies carry on, please.
Feel free to hold your breath though 😄.

Also, apologies to anyone I have offended, didn't mean to✋️.

That's what I thought.
You have no idea

[pirate]

[stuart1974]

I've no intention of getting into a tit for tat Twitter exchange, however you may be interested in this. It's by no means conclusive either way, but perhaps adds to the context. Usual caveats apply, of course.

[gashead79]

Oct 18, 2023 11:50:48 GMT oldie said:

Oct 18, 2023 8:35:37 GMT gashead79 said:

No idea, I'm a clueless f*cking d1ckhead who posts total sh**e.
You lads and ladies carry on, please.
Feel free to hold your breath though 😄.

Also, apologies to anyone I have offended, didn't mean to✋️.

That's what I thought.
You have no idea

Nope. I'm getting all the gen info from you guys on here. I'd be a dribbling mess if it weren't for the facts, insight and knowledge from yourself and pirates twitter clips.
Keep up the good work.

Yours. The f*cking clueless d1ckhead who's opinion is loony and BS.
Edit. Red shirt wanting, unvaxxed right wing flag sh4gger who knows nothing about anything.

Carry on, please 🤪

[yattongas]

Oct 18, 2023 12:27:35 GMT gashead79 said:

Oct 18, 2023 11:50:48 GMT oldie said:

That's what I thought.
You have no idea

Nope. I'm getting all the gen info from you guys on here. I'd be a dribbling mess if it weren't for the facts, insight and knowledge from yourself and pirates twitter clips.
Keep up the good work.

Yours. The f*cking clueless d1ckhead who's opinion is loony and BS.
Edit. Red shirt wanting, unvaxxed right wing flag sh4gger who knows nothing about anything.

Carry on, please 🤪

Bang on the money ….. for once ! 😃👍

[gashead79]

Oct 18, 2023 12:36:29 GMT yattongas said:

Oct 18, 2023 12:27:35 GMT gashead79 said:

Nope. I'm getting all the gen info from you guys on here. I'd be a dribbling mess if it weren't for the facts, insight and knowledge from yourself and pirates twitter clips.
Keep up the good work.

Yours. The f*cking clueless d1ckhead who's opinion is loony and BS.
Edit. Red shirt wanting, unvaxxed right wing flag sh4gger who knows nothing about anything.

Carry on, please 🤪

Bang on the money ….. for once ! 😃👍

Yay! There you go Yatton.👍🏼

[pirate]

BBC reporter: "The Israeli military.. have said they are investigating, but its hard to see what else this could be, really, given the size of the explosion, other than an Israeli air strike, or several air strikes"

Good thread posted by Andy McDonald MP

In 15 years, 12 thousand Palestinian rockets killed a total of 33 Israelis. But Israel wants us to believe it was one of these wayward rockets that killed 500+ people and destroyed most of the hospital? 

[stuart1974]

Professor Michael Clarke gives a bit of analysis on today's events.

news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-at-least-seven-british-nationals-dead-and-nine-missing-since-conflict-began-12986982

[pirate]

[pirate]

Oct 16, 2023 21:57:45 GMT pirate said:

Oct 16, 2023 8:07:32 GMT francegas said:

You say the response from Israel is disproportionate can I ask, in your view, what would be a proportionate response? how many innocent Palestinians can Israel kill to make it proportionate?

The bombing of Coventry was the single most concentrated attack on a British City during World war 2. In one night 4300 homes were destroyed and an estimated 554 deaths.It is said that Churchill ordered the bombing of Dresden as payback for Coventry. The bombing of Dresden killed in excess of 25000 people. Was Dresden in your view disproportionate, was it genocide, was it a war crime? It probably helped to bring the war in Europe to an end.

Was Hiroshima disproportionate even though it effectively bought the war to an end?

Imagine if these events hadn't happened where would the world be now?

If Hammas decide to attack the state of Israel who as you say are a military machine how do they expect Israel to respond?

It's the innocent civilians on both sides who I feel for. It's wrong for Israel to cut off supplies/water etc to Gaza but I'm sorry the word genocide is too freely used these days. What happened to the Jews was genocide, what happened in Rwanda and Cambodia was genocide this unfortunately is war instigated by Hamas.

jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

www.democracynow.org/2023/10/16/raz_segal_textbook_case_of_genocide

[popuppirate]

Meanwhile, in the UK:

[gulfofaden]

This really comes down to who’s propaganda you believe. Hamas or Isreal.

[yattongas]

Oct 18, 2023 17:31:32 GMT gulfofaden said:

This really comes down to whose propaganda you believe. Hamas or Isreal.

Isreal or Israel …… that’s the question? 🤔 

[oldie]

Oct 18, 2023 17:05:35 GMT popuppirate said:

Meanwhile, in the UK:

😂😂😂