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Post by stapletongas on Jan 17, 2015 19:11:07 GMT
Oh God, tbone can you please not. No, no, I want to read the detailed analysis and objective assessment |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 19:16:31 GMT
It's absolutely absurd to say that DC was responsible for us going down. Tbone, can you expand on your theory that DC is responsible for us being in this league? Here it is plain and simple. When Ward was replaced, we were not in a relegation position.At the end of the season after the clueless one took over,we were.It aint rocket science. Clarke took us down.The same as Garry Thompson took us down all those years ago. |
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 17, 2015 19:36:02 GMT
Tbone, can you expand on your theory that DC is responsible for us being in this league? Here it is plain and simple. When Ward was replaced, we were not in a relegation position.At the end of the season after the clueless one took over,we were.It aint rocket science. Clarke took us down.The same as Garry Thompson took us down all those years ago. That's ridiculous. We were perilously positioned and DC took over Ward's team designed the play Ward's way. It had the recipe for disaster, but you can't blame someone who had no opportunity to bring in his own players and properly stamp his own identity let alone build his own team. The only chance DC had was to coach, prepare, motivate, conduct team selection etc etc exactly how Ward would have done it, because he had to make do with Ward's squad. While some may argue DC was part of the management and building of that squad, we have since found out that DC had a lot of differing opinions and was far from being Wards yes man, nowhere near it. Blaming DC is out of touch with reality and shows no appreciation for the complexities of football club management. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 19:37:07 GMT
So if you were given a car tomorrow that is running but really hasn't been looked after by its previous owner then its your fault when it breaks down on your way to work on Monday morning?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 19:42:43 GMT
So if you were given a car tomorrow that is running but really hasn't been looked after by its previous owner then its your fault when it breaks down on your way to work on Monday morning? Cars?. We are talking useless and clueless football managers. Not sodding bangers. Although maybe Clarke would be good at stock car racing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 19:45:28 GMT
So if you were given a car tomorrow that is running but really hasn't been looked after by its previous owner then its your fault when it breaks down on your way to work on Monday morning? Cars?. We are talking useless and clueless football managers. Not sodding bangers. Although maybe Clarke would be good at stock car racing. It's called an analogy. It's a useful method of explaining something in simple terms when a person appears to be having difficultly in understanding a basic premise. |
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Post by kylegas on Jan 17, 2015 19:50:24 GMT
Very poorly organised, police and stewards made it an edgy atmosphere I thought... And we were quite poor, badly missed Sinclair and could do with better then Clark in the squad, was dissapponted that the new boys didn't start
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 17, 2015 19:57:39 GMT
Point away. Against a top 7 side. Has to be okay. Your probably correct, but I think we need to do better than okay. Dont want 4 teams fighting it out for top spot...that sounds like the playoffs to me. Having said that Woking have dropped 5 points against us. So I'm thinking it might be a case of yeah nah yeah... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 20:02:06 GMT
Cars?. We are talking useless and clueless football managers. Not sodding bangers. Although maybe Clarke would be good at stock car racing. It's called an analogy. It's a useful method of explaining something in simple terms when a person appears to be having difficultly in understanding a basic premise. Spot on Hugo, makes perfect sense to me. And as far as I am concerned the reason we were relegated was due to the imcompetence of John Ward, who realising he was taking us to the Conference, bailed out and left DC to take the flak from the likes of Tbone and a few others, when we finally capitulated. Strange that the vast majority of gasheads I know blame JW for last seasons disaster, but as Tbone constantly tells us on here we are all entitled to our own opinions, so therefore I have posted mine! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 20:09:51 GMT
None at all.I hate the fact that Clarke took us to this God awful league and I hate the fact that Taylor is playing for us.I get no satisfaction from moaning about them.They should not be here.Simply because they are not good enough. It's absolutely absurd to say that DC was responsible for us going down. He had a big contribution Luckilly he now looks like a half tidy manger who could redeem himself and take us places |
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Post by pirateman on Jan 17, 2015 20:10:02 GMT
Point away. Against a top 7 side. Has to be okay. Your probably correct, but I think we need to do better than okay. Dont want 4 teams fighting it out for top spot...that sounds like the playoffs to me. Having said that Woking have dropped 5 points against us. So I'm thinking it might be a case of yeah nah yeah... Better than okay is obviously best.I (and most others would have taken the playoffs at the beginning of the season) All we can do is win at home,draw away, win extra games away to make up for points dropped at home and hope to pick up a few extra points on Barnet to catch them. As far as I am concerned a point away against 7th in the league is fine. I know that their current form is a bit carp but current form can turn around at any time. I am happy enough with the point. Obviously would have preferred three. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 20:21:17 GMT
I think playing the blame game for last seasons relegation, or inventing blame for what was an ok draw today is really futile....
lets just keep the positivity up and get on with the job in hand....
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 17, 2015 20:33:50 GMT
Your probably correct, but I think we need to do better than okay. Dont want 4 teams fighting it out for top spot...that sounds like the playoffs to me. Having said that Woking have dropped 5 points against us. So I'm thinking it might be a case of yeah nah yeah... Better than okay is obviously best.I (and most others would have taken the playoffs at the beginning of the season) All we can do is win at home,draw away, win extra games away to make up for points dropped at home and hope to pick up a few extra points on Barnet to catch them. As far as I am concerned a point away against 7th in the league is fine. I know that their current form is a bit carp but current form can turn around at any time. I am happy enough with the point. Obviously would have preferred three. Yep agreed, im sure there's gonna be some dropped points between the front runners over the next 15 or so games. what ever the result we need to move on. Next ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 20:41:49 GMT
I expected defeat today.
Any result that either matched or bettered whatever Barnet got would be good enough for me today.
1 point and -2 GD is a good day in my book from a tricky away fixture.
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Post by 4evergas67 on Jan 17, 2015 20:44:45 GMT
Tbone, can you expand on your theory that DC is responsible for us being in this league? Here it is plain and simple. When Ward was replaced, we were not in a relegation position.At the end of the season after the clueless one took over,we were.It aint rocket science. Clarke took us down.The same as Garry Thompson took us down all those years ago. Don't forget Campbell. I'd love to see someone use an analogy as a useful method of explaining something in simple terms when a person appears to be having difficultly in understanding a basic premise to explain that shower of sh**. Rose tints and optimists come in all shapes as well as doom and gloomers. I personally think it's what a man does to put things right that will at the end of the day prove his worth.
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Post by Mark Ash on Jan 17, 2015 21:06:49 GMT
I suppose we're going to go back to eating away at ourselves over this for as long as it takes to get it out of the system, which may or may not be when we get back into the FL. Let's hope success makes it all irrelevant asap.
For myself, I think of the steady decline since Trollope left and the fact that we had so many managers in such a short space of time and spent such a lot of time floundering around at the wrong end of the 92. When it happened, it was a bit out of the blue on that last day, but we had flirted with it too long to blame the poor sap who'd been given the job right at the finish. It was like playing pass the parcel with a bomb.
My most painful scar is Buckle. I tend to blame him more than anyone else. Not only because he was crap, but his smug refusal to avoid responsibility got to me. Ridiculously, I now look out keenly for Cheltenham's results and give a little victory fist clench when they lose. I really want them to go down. Nothing against the club, just to "prove" that he's no good. I guess we all have to have a doll to stick pins in over relegation from the League (capital L) and for some it's Darrell Clarke.
Personally, I like him a lot. Unlike Buckle, he seems utterly genuine and totally committed to Bristol Rovers. He has no time for those who won't give everything they've got and he is determined to put right what happened on his watch. I hope to god he stays next year, whatever happens, or we might still be picking managers off the conveyor belt of passing losers and hopefuls forever more.
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Post by althepirate on Jan 17, 2015 21:19:46 GMT
I suppose we're going to go back to eating away at ourselves over this for as long as it takes to get it out of the system, which may or may not be when we get back into the FL. Let's hope success makes it all irrelevant asap. For myself, I think of the steady decline since Trollope left and the fact that we had so many managers in such a short space of time and spent such a lot of time floundering around at the wrong end of the 92. When it happened, it was a bit out of the blue on that last day, but we had flirted with it too long to blame the poor sap who'd been given the job right at the finish. It was like playing pass the parcel with a bomb. My most painful scar is Buckle. I tend to blame him more than anyone else. Not only because he was crap, but his smug refusal to avoid responsibility got to me. Ridiculously, I now look out keenly for Cheltenham's results and give a little victory fist clench when they lose. I really want them to go down. Nothing against the club, just to "prove" that he's no good. I guess we all have to have a doll to stick pins in over relegation from the League (capital L) and for some it's Darrell Clarke. Personally, I like him a lot. Unlike Buckle, he seems utterly genuine and totally committed to Bristol Rovers. He has no time for those who won't give everything they've got and he is determined to put right what happened on his watch. I hope to god he stays next year, whatever happens, or we might still be picking managers off the conveyor belt of passing losers and hopefuls forever more. Completly agree. |
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Post by althepirate on Jan 17, 2015 21:24:14 GMT
Tbone, sorry mate, but you really haven't got a clue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 21:29:43 GMT
Tbone, can you expand on your theory that DC is responsible for us being in this league? Here it is plain and simple. When Ward was replaced, we were not in a relegation position.At the end of the season after the clueless one took over,we were.It aint rocket science. Clarke took us down.The same as Garry Thompson took us down all those years ago. You're telling me a Ward team that got tonked 4-0 by Hartlepool would have kept us up? He wouldn't have even got the 3 points against Wycombe for a chance too. Point gained on Barnet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 21:33:11 GMT
Very poorly organised, police and stewards made it an edgy atmosphere I thought... And we were quite poor, badly missed Sinclair and could do with better then Clark in the squad, was dissapponted that the new boys didn't start Spot on about the police and stewards making an edgy atmosphere,and we certainly missed the beard,it will be better at Dartford in a couple of weeks |
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