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Post by gashead79 on Jan 12, 2024 7:56:04 GMT
OK thanks. Higher up the thread, I said that there would probably not be any more Covid vaccine going in me, yet nobody slagged me off. It seems to me if G79 had said that, he'd have been mocked. We all have different opinions on everty aspect of life and should all of us probably make more effort to respect the views of others* *Except for those who claim Queen, U2, Muse or Oasis made any good music. Or people who don't like Marmite. 🏴☠️ Exactly. There will be a growing number who won't be signing up for another jab too. Perhaps they are uneducated or uninformed like the bloke in the gym, or a loon like me who is stupid and dangerous to society. Or just logical like you. Congrats 👏🏼 Provocative...I guess the things I post will provoke debate and argument. It has been an emotive subject which completely gripped most people. I'm certain that people will genuinely feel stupid for being conned. I do feel stupid for panic buying toilet paper(once). I reckon people should feel stupid for playing along with walking one way around outdoor shopping centres such as Yate 🤣. Or not going to the countryside of beach due to lockdowns! Christ, what a shambles. |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 12, 2024 8:45:35 GMT
New variant out this week guys.
Take it steady out there as its more contagious than ever before.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 12, 2024 8:58:57 GMT
New variant out this week guys. Take it steady out there as its more contagious than ever before. Highlighting perfectly that you’re just here on the wind up. 🙄 |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 12, 2024 9:05:23 GMT
New variant out this week guys. Take it steady out there as its more contagious than ever before. Highlighting perfectly that you’re just here on the wind up. 🙄 Oh, you haven't heard? Juno variant It's called. Highly contagious apparently. Take your blinkers off, I'm not here to wind you up, no point in that as you're wound up enough already btloi. |
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2024 9:37:26 GMT
New variant out this week guys. Take it steady out there as its more contagious than ever before. Highlighting perfectly that you’re just here on the wind up. 🙄 Precisely |
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2024 9:37:51 GMT
Highlighting perfectly that you’re just here on the wind up. 🙄 Oh, you haven't heard? Juno variant It's called. Highly contagious apparently. Take your blinkers off, I'm not here to wind you up, no point in that as you're wound up enough already btloi. So what's your point? |
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Post by supergas on Jan 12, 2024 10:33:57 GMT
This whole thread has turned into an important lesson on how to find, understand and pass on important but very technical information about a very important subject. You can ignore this request but surely someone here can help me understand that link you've posted. It mentions that 1.62% figure twice: and I've read the article, and I've looked at the citations (120,121 and 122) to try to understand where that 1.62% figure has come from and what exactly it relates to....and I'm happy to note I am not an expert on the subject, but to the untrained eye, a figure of nearly two people out of every hundred vaccinated suffering heart problems sounds way, way too high based on personal experience, let alone wider media coverage... I've just had a read and honestly, I don't know. The articles they reference state it was something like 0.04%. I'm guessing it must have something to do with the data they've pulled, but I'm not smart enough to work it out? Also the 1 in 10,000 figure I was given was from a GP who was running a Moderna clinical trial (in answer to some of the questions above). ...and this is why in the media, on social media/forums facts are important. Mis-information is probably more dangerous to most people than covid itself.... 0.04% (or 1 in 10,000 which is 0.01%) is very different to 1.62%. For example, I run a small but busy petrol station and occasionally look after two or three others when their managers are away. 1 in 10,000 people would mean if I served every customer every day (24 hours a day) for two whole weeks in three or four stations I might see one customer who had any issue (even minor) with myocarditis after being vaccinated. I probably wouldn't see another person for the whole month even if I was working every day for 24 hours a day... 1.62% means I would see at least one person who had had any issue (even minor) with myocarditis after being vaccinated every hour from 6am-9am and from 4pm-7pm. Every day. Just working in one station. Six people every day in one shop vs one person every month across four. This is why misinformation is so important - people believe this nonsense despite it making no sense when you apply it to the real world.... |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 12, 2024 10:46:45 GMT
I've just had a read and honestly, I don't know. The articles they reference state it was something like 0.04%. I'm guessing it must have something to do with the data they've pulled, but I'm not smart enough to work it out? Also the 1 in 10,000 figure I was given was from a GP who was running a Moderna clinical trial (in answer to some of the questions above). ...and this is why in the media, on social media/forums facts are important. Mis-information is probably more dangerous to most people than covid itself.... 0.04% (or 1 in 10,000 which is 0.01%) is very different to 1.62%. For example, I run a small but busy petrol station and occasionally look after two or three others when their managers are away. 1 in 10,000 people would mean if I served every customer every day (24 hours a day) for two whole weeks I might see one customer who had any issue (even minor) with myocarditis after being vaccinated. I probably wouldn't see another person for the whole month even if I was working every day for 24 hours a day... 1.62% means I would see at least one person who had had any issue (even minor) with myocarditis after being vaccinated every hour from 6am-9am and from 4pm-7pm. Every day. Six people every day vs one person every month. This is why misinformation is so important - people believe this nonsense despite it making no sense when you apply it to the real world.... 79 believes that nonsense. 😂 |
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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 12, 2024 11:57:43 GMT
It was me, not GH79 that gave a verified link that talked about 1.62%. There was no reference to service stations.
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Post by popuppirate on Jan 12, 2024 12:33:52 GMT
It's very different to feel uncertain about having a vaccine, particularly if you may have had a possible reaction to one, to denying the threat from the virus and believing that there's been an almighty conspiracy with faked deaths. Lockdowns saved lives. Many more could have been saved with effective measures implemented as was recommended. Vaccines saved lives, and will continue to. I'm happy I did my bit (worked front line through lockdowns and followed all guidance outside of work) and will do again if necessary.
Conspiracy theorists have their hobby, an interest in feeling like their being stitched up about something they don't want to believe in because it fulfills a certain need. Whether that need is based on selfishness, ignorance, delusion or all three does intrigue me, but not enough to continue the same circular argument.
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2024 13:30:27 GMT
It's very different to feel uncertain about having a vaccine, particularly if you may have had a possible reaction to one, to denying the threat from the virus and believing that there's been an almighty conspiracy with faked deaths. Lockdowns saved lives. Many more could have been saved with effective measures implemented as was recommended. Vaccines saved lives, and will continue to. I'm happy I did my bit (worked front line through lockdowns and followed all guidance outside of work) and will do again if necessary. Conspiracy theorists have their hobby, an interest in feeling like their being stitched up about something they don't want to believe in because it fulfills a certain need. Whether that need is based on selfishness, ignorance, delusion or all three does intrigue me, but not enough to continue the same circular argument. Absolutely spot on |
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Post by aghast on Jan 12, 2024 22:21:10 GMT
I haven't had the latest jab or the one last year.
I queued up and took them in previous years because it seemed the sensible and public spirited thing to do at the time, and maybe the collective action did save many lives. Maybe it didn't. But if it prevented me and my family catching COVID it seemed then that it was right.
Obviously there were risks with a fast tracked vaccine, but three years down the line I still haven't seen any convincing evidence that taking the jab was statistically harmful.
However I now feel the risk from COVID has dropped to that of a nasty cold or maybe flu, and the balance between taking a drug and riding it out has shifted.
I cannot understand the mindset of those who refused to toe the line back in 2020/21. None of us knew what was happening then. We relied on good faith and good advice, and even it was misplaced, it was the right thing to do.
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Post by oldie on Jan 12, 2024 22:47:22 GMT
I haven't had the latest jab or the one last year. I queued up and took them in previous years because it seemed the sensible and public spirited thing to do at the time, and maybe the collective action did save many lives. Maybe it didn't. But if it prevented me and my family catching COVID it seemed then that it was right. Obviously there were risks with a fast tracked vaccine, but three years down the line I still haven't seen any convincing evidence that taking the jab was statistically harmful. However I now feel the risk from COVID has dropped to that of a nasty cold or maybe flu, and the balance between taking a drug and riding it out has shifted. I cannot understand the mindset of those who refused to toe the line back in 2020/21. None of us knew what was happening then. We relied on good faith and good advice, and even it was misplaced, it was the right thing to do. Balanced and entirely reasonable.👍 |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 12, 2024 22:55:13 GMT
I haven't had the latest jab or the one last year. I queued up and took them in previous years because it seemed the sensible and public spirited thing to do at the time, and maybe the collective action did save many lives. Maybe it didn't. But if it prevented me and my family catching COVID it seemed then that it was right. Obviously there were risks with a fast tracked vaccine, but three years down the line I still haven't seen any convincing evidence that taking the jab was statistically harmful. However I now feel the risk from COVID has dropped to that of a nasty cold or maybe flu, and the balance between taking a drug and riding it out has shifted. I cannot understand the mindset of those who refused to toe the line back in 2020/21. None of us knew what was happening then. We relied on good faith and good advice, and even it was misplaced, it was the right thing to do. Are you eligible for the latest Jabs or do you have to pay ? |
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Post by aghast on Jan 12, 2024 23:11:19 GMT
I haven't had the latest jab or the one last year. I queued up and took them in previous years because it seemed the sensible and public spirited thing to do at the time, and maybe the collective action did save many lives. Maybe it didn't. But if it prevented me and my family catching COVID it seemed then that it was right. Obviously there were risks with a fast tracked vaccine, but three years down the line I still haven't seen any convincing evidence that taking the jab was statistically harmful. However I now feel the risk from COVID has dropped to that of a nasty cold or maybe flu, and the balance between taking a drug and riding it out has shifted. I cannot understand the mindset of those who refused to toe the line back in 2020/21. None of us knew what was happening then. We relied on good faith and good advice, and even it was misplaced, it was the right thing to do. Are you eligible for the latest Jabs or do you have to pay ? I'm so old I'm eligible. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 13, 2024 0:54:47 GMT
Funny, some would have us believe those who have stopped taking it, did so because the jab is will destroy your life and give you a heart attack.
So it doesn't have to be an extreme opinion all the time?
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Post by supergas on Jan 13, 2024 8:40:43 GMT
It was me, not GH79 that gave a verified link that talked about 1.62%. There was no reference to service stations. ...and I asked for more explanation about the 1.62% figure. I've read the article linked to and looked at the citations for that part of the report. But I still don't understand what the 1.62% figure is actually referencing...and because it's so wildly different from the 0.04% figure for people suffering from myocarditis in the research I found and linked to... ...I'm happy to say I don't understand something, so instead I added some context to it, showing just how different 0.04% of the population is to 1.62%, using numbers I understand and can explain easily...but I'm still waiting for an explanation of what that 1.62% figure actually relates to, because it doesn't seem to make sense in my experience.... |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 14, 2024 9:36:26 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jan 14, 2024 9:49:39 GMT
As painful as it is to read an article by the Daily Express, the report from Oxford University actually said "Dr Aseem Malhotra, a leading cardiologist said: “The most common cause of excess deaths relate to the heart and circulatory system. These have many causes that may interact. Eighty percent of this is linked to lifestyle and environmental factors, such as worsening diet, sedentary lifestyles and stress which we know happened during lockdowns.” Adverse reactions to the MRNA Covid vaccine could also have played a part, he said." COULD It is about time you stopped posting up false information GH79, stop deliberately mis interpreting reports and data. This sort of behaviour goes beyond stupidity. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 14, 2024 9:54:08 GMT
As painful as it is to read an article by the Daily Express, the report from Oxford University actually said "Dr Aseem Malhotra, a leading cardiologist said: “The most common cause of excess deaths relate to the heart and circulatory system. These have many causes that may interact. Eighty percent of this is linked to lifestyle and environmental factors, such as worsening diet, sedentary lifestyles and stress which we know happened during lockdowns.” Adverse reactions to the MRNA Covid vaccine could also have played a part, he said." COULD It is about time you stopped posting up false information GH79, stop deliberately mis interpreting reports and data. This sort of behaviour goes beyond stupidity. Don’t bully him |
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