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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2022 20:16:23 GMT
The fact was that JB knew there was no point putting Kilgour on as he is no better than the players we had out there and in fact the worse defender of the lot was the other regular Houle who to be honest is useless. I don’t agree. I think no one likes him because he isn’t great on the ball, but given the circumstance he was the only central defender available, so just play him in his natural position and get him to defend. Just do the basics, head it and kick it be solid. We didn’t need any fancy tinkering today. The problem is that JB has been trying to be clever by playing players out of position in different formations for quite a few of this seasons games. Realistically how long do we have to work on these formations? Not long is the answer and it shows. We need a settled way of playing quickly so that players know their jobs and how we intend to set up and play. Hoole isn’t useless, however even in preseason and the 2 first games I thought that Gibbons looks the better player at full back. But if the managers talking about playing 3-4-3 I wouldn’t be surprised to see us play a back 3 of Hoole, Connolly & Gibson with Gibbons & either Clarke or Gordon as the wing backs. When everyone is available of course.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Sept 17, 2022 20:19:48 GMT
Don't think we will get relegated either but I can see it being close! Certainly not a mid table finish but I think we will come good from January onwards. My biggest worry is that we could have a lot of catch up to play for if we don't pick up some decent points leading up to Christmas! League one is a lot less forgiving than league Two and we find ourselves already playing catch up. Our recent home results against teams we should be taking points off is a massive worry for me. We need to find a unattached experienced CB who will command the back line (a Tony Craig type) imo
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Post by eric on Sept 17, 2022 20:32:19 GMT
Agree Eric, very very sad. But let's be honest, we knew the man who got us promoted a short time ago, would be subject to the same abuse he was getting in the first four months of last season. Eric … Bideford I’m not abusing him and Eric your picking out a few words to suit your agenda. Watch the interviews, listen to what JB is saying …. Basically he feels we won’t be at our most competitive until all our players are back - Think that’s November ? So yes I do ask the question when he picks a 38 year old ahead of a recognised CB is he taking it seriously or just gambling because in his view we won’t really compete until we have all players available. He used the words baffling selections in his pre match - it was. Picking his mates …. Evans is a prime example - bloke has had about 30 minutes of good football in nine games. Still he plays. Social Media… Going to the Marseilles game , gesturing at the Spurs Fans - that’s our manager FFS ! There are 46 games in L1 - JB thinks we can really compete in about 30 of them it would seem. It’s hardly abuse …. Opinion it’s but not abuse. As for the post being ‘right up there’ Eric - Coming from you that’s outstanding.? I’m still none the wiser. Evans a prime example of ‘picking his mates’? I thought you were going to say someone he’d known or worked with for years not someone he only signed a year ago. I still have no idea what bearing going to another football match in his spare time has on his team selection at Rovers or how it indicates he is somehow more interested in social media than his job. On a more serious note I also expected Kilgour to have played today but JB knows more about football than me (and the rest of us on this forum) and will have had footballing reasons for leaving him out rather than because he’s simply not taking it seriously. My first thought when I saw Kilgour was only a sub is that he continues to struggle with back to back games after major knee injuries that still trouble him and swell after games. My assumption was he was maybe named on the bench for an emergency such as Whelan getting injured.
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2022 20:38:08 GMT
Listening to JB on the radio he seems to be saying things won’t improve until we have all our defenders back … we will be way adrift by then. So, What is he saying? We should expect to lose every game in the interim? Christ, you are paid to sort this out man.
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Post by bs16gashead on Sept 17, 2022 20:41:25 GMT
The league table does not lie they say. Looking at it we are in a precarious position but surprise surprise we are only 6 points behind Barnsley and Derby in 6th and 7th place. It's very very early days I would suggest to write us off especially when big spenders like Oxford etc are hardly setting the league alight. I for one fully expect us to survive and finish at least in a mid table position. Admire your optimism but tbh I’d be absolutely stunned if we did. We are a lot weaker now than when we finished last season. I’d snap your hand off for 20th just now.
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Post by chilly1883 on Sept 17, 2022 20:53:18 GMT
I personally don’t think Alfie is good enough for league I, he wasn’t played regularly in league 2. What I can’t understand is, JB has told other players there not good enough to play in his team, but clearly doesn’t trust AK, so why is he still here??
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 17, 2022 21:10:36 GMT
We’re Rovers supporters (allegedly), Were faithful & true (when we’re winning), We’ll always follow(always . . . um, yeah, bout that), the Boys in blue & white; We all made a promise (hang on, what?) That we’d never part (Wait . . . define “Never”), So Goodnight Irene, I’ll see you in my dreams (that bit’s alright)
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 17, 2022 21:29:26 GMT
The league table does not lie they say. Looking at it we are in a precarious position but surprise surprise we are only 6 points behind Barnsley and Derby in 6th and 7th place. It's very very early days I would suggest to write us off especially when big spenders like Oxford etc are hardly setting the league alight. I for one fully expect us to survive and finish at least in a mid table position. Exactly - I’m not giving up on them yet ! 💙UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 17, 2022 21:40:29 GMT
I personally don’t think Alfie is good enough for league I, he wasn’t played regularly in league 2. What I can’t understand is, JB has told other players there not good enough to play in his team, but clearly doesn’t trust AK, so why is he still here?? The ones he told this summer weren't good enough are also still here and, somehow, Westbrooke is even back on the subs bench!
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 17, 2022 22:00:55 GMT
I personally don’t think Alfie is good enough for league I, he wasn’t played regularly in league 2. What I can’t understand is, JB has told other players there not good enough to play in his team, but clearly doesn’t trust AK, so why is he still here?? We had a conversation about this before the game today fully expecting Alfie to start. The way JB wants his defenders to play with a high line and passing from the back doesn't suit him. However put him in a Coughlan type team who defend deep and simply ask their defenders to defend and he's a more than capable league 1 player. If Coughlin was the manager Alfie would be first choice under Barton he's unlikely to play, it's not so much ability more style of play
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 17, 2022 22:21:00 GMT
Its easy to say that Alfie "likely" be better but there is no proof and nothing in Alfies performances in the last 3 years to think he would have done any better. When did we last concede six goals at home? This defence does take some beating-it was like watching a sunday morning team. If you had selected six footballers out of the crowd they could probably have done no worse. It is a joke that in truth Lincoln were awful and yet scored six goals. The referee did not help our cause with some awful decisions . That is utter crap. The gulf between Sunday football and the pro game is massive and your comments are either gross exaggeration or total naivety. We could have set up with a back 4 of Anderson, Hoole, Kilgour, Gordon and I would be pretty confident we would not have conceded 6. Read my post again, when did a back line with Alfie last concede 6 at home? You dodged that one and just posted drivel.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Sept 17, 2022 22:28:12 GMT
Rose tinted glasses on is it really this bad 6 points of play offs We have had 3 big boys away Portsmouth Barnsley and Ipswich ? 9 games in um ?? Just me ?
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 17, 2022 22:31:17 GMT
The fact was that JB knew there was no point putting Kilgour on as he is no better than the players we had out there and in fact the worse defender of the lot was the other regular Houle who to be honest is useless. Wasted substututions though in bringing on Marquis and Saunders. With the defenders we have fit we are not going to improve for at least 2 or 3 weeks.This is so frustrating though giving away points in another game where footballing wise we were the better team but defensively we werE National League quality.Did Houle manage to pass to one of our players all game? Hoole would be fine if he was just played at right back where he was very good last season. Kilgour is a better central defender than Whelan is. There’s no reason why we can’t defend better with the players we had at our disposal today but the selection and formation was wrong. You’re very harsh on Hoole who made his debut around a year ago and was a very good right back for us last season. Playing him in different positions swapping and changing in an unsettled defence is obviously effecting his game as it is every player, Belshaw included. I read your posts and wonder if you know anything about football or perhaps you’ve got a very short memory or that you just make knee jerk reaction comments based on the game you’ve just watched without actually thinking things through or remembering anything that happened before. Kilgour was also a solid centre back for us in league 1 with an experienced player alongside. when played regularly in a settled defence so he does have ability. We badly miss a commanding defender like Taylor was , perhaps Thomas will be that player but again he was missing today through suspension. I think we’ve got enough attacking ability to stay up and to be honest I’ve got no idea if we’ve got enough defensive ability because it’s very early days regarding seeing our new defensive players and we’ve not been able ho build any kind of defensive cohesion due to injuries and suspensions. I agree Hoole was a better full back but can only comment on how he is playing this season in League 1 as a centre back and that is not very well at all.To say that you wonder if i know anything about football is sort of saying that you do. I think you probably know less than me because if you think about what you have said Kilgour should now be that experience centre half who leads the others but he has gone backwards for a long time now and I who know nothing thinks his contract will be his last in League 1 and possibly 2 as well.
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Post by aforce on Sept 17, 2022 22:35:00 GMT
Would could Egan not have played today? You can’t re invent the wheel square pegs in round holes doesn’t work and Barton should no better it’s an insulting performance today from joey and he should at least take some blame. I don’t think I’ve ever seen us concede 6 at home and I hope I don’t see it again, but just gets brushed off from Barton as “an entertainer for the neutrals” idiot
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 17, 2022 22:50:46 GMT
The fact was that JB knew there was no point putting Kilgour on as he is no better than the players we had out there and in fact the worse defender of the lot was the other regular Houle who to be honest is useless. I don’t agree. I think no one likes him because he isn’t great on the ball, but given the circumstance he was the only central defender available, so just play him in his natural position and get him to defend. Just do the basics, head it and kick it be solid. We didn’t need any fancy tinkering today. The problem is that JB has been trying to be clever by playing players out of position in different formations for quite a few of this seasons games. Realistically how long do we have to work on these formations? Not long is the answer and it shows. We need a settled way of playing quickly so that players know their jobs and how we intend to set up and play. Hoole isn’t useless, however even in preseason and the 2 first games I thought that Gibbons looks the better player at full back. But if the managers talking about playing 3-4-3 I wouldn’t be surprised to see us play a back 3 of Hoole, Connolly & Gibson with Gibbons & either Clarke or Gordon as the wing backs. When everyone is available of course. I think you will find that neither Hoole or Kilgour will be in the side when most of the injured/suspended players are back. Kilgour is not only not great on the ball he also cant mark and is too slow as has been proven time and time again. He should nowbe a commanding centre half who leads others but he has not developed well and in fact has got worse. He can no longer be nursed through a game and I am convinced he will be at Nationalo league level when his contract is up.
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Post by gonzales on Sept 17, 2022 22:53:15 GMT
Should have played Alfie cb. Passing sideways isn’t that hard ffs. Whelo have the ball away plenty. Terrible mistake from Joe today.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 17, 2022 23:33:30 GMT
I feel sorry for the fans who had to witness that and i shall not compound it with my own theories, it is the last thing anyone , who saw that needs. It is painfully obvious that we are unable to compete, this much no one can really argue with. All i can say or add is that things do change. I feel absolutely rotten that you had to witness that, live. That’s it..no more from me on this. It is painfully obvious that todays team will be unable to compete but that isn’t the team we will have for the whole season. We are in a terribly unfortunate and unprecedented injury/suspension situation. Do you seriously think there won’t be a significant improvement once the majority of the squad are available? I wasn’t there today so won’t comment on individuals I didn’t see. But... Yes, we have a lot of injuries but the red card absences are down to us and our indiscipline. That is not unprecedented. We had more red cards last season than anybody else and must be up there already this season. I fear that will always be our handicap and without improving our red card account we are heading in one direction only, down. Ipswich was ridiculous, two reds in the last 5minutes when the game was gone, I’d just about recovered by today but realised that those were part of today’s result as well in effect. I was at Pompey so know we get nothing from referees and I think ‘Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers’ get nothing from the referees and any 50/50 goes against us.(Something I’ve never said in 56 years of supporting us.) JB has to stop feeling sorry for us, stop publicity-seeking formations, go back to defenders defending and attackers attacking and make us hard to beat. He shouldn’t be the story but he is. It’s a pattern which can’t be good for BRFC. Although I’ve loved much of his football and believe he can be a very good manager so far this season he’s been the news story not the team and that can’t be good. I hope he will draw back from making himself a back page story, trying to sound clever in the local press with talk of different formations and stop p****** off other managers. He needs to concentrate on teaching our team to defend, on getting the midfield to support the defence and attack and getting back to being good at what he’s good at doing....concentrating on the team. Joe, you don’t need to court controversy be assured it will find you without you trying. Go undercover, send Mangan to do interviews and concentrate on the team. And stop this back 3 stuff like you did last season. It didn’t work then, it’s not working now, go back to a back 4. Please. UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 18, 2022 6:40:23 GMT
Entertaining match, littered with errors on our part, and some wasteful finishing, we all thought afterwards we have played worse than than at times.
Work in progress but Alfie Kilgour is not obviously part of it, he said he wants Connolly and the two loanees as the three at the back.
My optimism has wavered but viewing is not boring.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 18, 2022 7:56:55 GMT
It is painfully obvious that todays team will be unable to compete but that isn’t the team we will have for the whole season. We are in a terribly unfortunate and unprecedented injury/suspension situation. Do you seriously think there won’t be a significant improvement once the majority of the squad are available? I wasn’t there today so won’t comment on individuals I didn’t see. But... Yes, we have a lot of injuries but the red card absences are down to us and our indiscipline. That is not unprecedented. We had more red cards last season than anybody else and must be up there already this season. I fear that will always be our handicap and without improving our red card account we are heading in one direction only, down. Ipswich was ridiculous, two reds in the last 5minutes when the game was gone, I’d just about recovered by today but realised that those were part of today’s result as well in effect. I was at Pompey so know we get nothing from referees and I think ‘Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers’ get nothing from the referees and any 50/50 goes against us.(Something I’ve never said in 56 years of supporting us.) JB has to stop feeling sorry for us, stop publicity-seeking formations, go back to defenders defending and attackers attacking and make us hard to beat. He shouldn’t be the story but he is. It’s a pattern which can’t be good for BRFC. Although I’ve loved much of his football and believe he can be a very good manager so far this season he’s been the news story not the team and that can’t be good. I hope he will draw back from making himself a back page story, trying to sound clever in the local press with talk of different formations and stop p****** off other managers. He needs to concentrate on teaching our team to defend, on getting the midfield to support the defence and attack and getting back to being good at what he’s good at doing....concentrating on the team. Joe, you don’t need to court controversy be assured it will find you without you trying. Go undercover, send Mangan to do interviews and concentrate on the team. And stop this back 3 stuff like you did last season. It didn’t work then, it’s not working now, go back to a back 4. Please. UTG! You're just using the red cards at Ipswich to fit a made up agenda, the reds at Ipswich weren't down to indiscipline, Thomas' was simply a defender trying to stop the Ipswich striker having a clean run on goal, Kilgour's clearly not even a red. If refs are anti Barton how did we manage to get promoted last season?
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Post by gertrude1883 on Sept 18, 2022 7:58:55 GMT
So many managers on this forum! All know better than JB. Put in your CV's to the club, show us how good you are! FFS.
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