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Post by oasisgas on Aug 16, 2022 12:53:30 GMT
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Post by drawnandquartered on Aug 16, 2022 13:23:19 GMT
That’s a great read! I’m genuinely shocked I’ve ended up on the Barton express but my goodness he really inspires me. And the talk of social change is brilliant. Ages ago I bought a beginners guide to jung, gonna dust it of in a minute.
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 16, 2022 13:29:54 GMT
Wow really enjoyed reading that
Great insight on the here and now as well
If you’ve read Joeys autobiography them read this
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 16, 2022 13:31:46 GMT
That’s a great read! I’m genuinely shocked I’ve ended up on the Barton express but my goodness he really inspires me. And the talk of social change is brilliant. Ages ago I bought a beginners guide to jung, gonna dust it of in a minute. As a mental health counsellor and someone who has spoken with Tony Adams at Sorting chance I understand why he would refer to this |
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Post by GasHeadBlues on Aug 16, 2022 13:41:35 GMT
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Aug 16, 2022 14:27:28 GMT
Anyone else read the whole thing in Joey voice?
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Post by legas on Aug 16, 2022 14:40:51 GMT
Thanks for posting - really interesting read.
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Post by barumgas on Aug 16, 2022 14:42:59 GMT
Every gashead should read this. I am not his greatest fan but we should understand what he was going through when our team was crap
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Post by allgasandgaiters on Aug 16, 2022 15:19:55 GMT
Cheers Oasis - really enjoyed that. Up the Apex Predator!
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 16, 2022 15:21:36 GMT
An excellent read, thanks for sharing oasisgas |
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Post by SleepyGas on Aug 16, 2022 16:02:12 GMT
Hopefully he will now be more empathetic when dealing with players struggling with mental health issues..
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Post by badengas on Aug 16, 2022 17:43:48 GMT
Every gashead should read this. I am not his greatest fan but we should understand what he was going through when our team was crap Not a fan of the man but fully understand his feelings. If you read this and feel the same at any please reach out to your loved ones. I didn't until it was too late, I felt it was weak but I was wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 17:50:15 GMT
Hopefully he will now be more empathetic when dealing with players struggling with mental health issues.. If the Luke Thomas example is anything to go by then there is IMO a whole lot of work still to be done to stem the odd one or two contradictions made by JB. To publicly call him out while he was suffering with mental health problems is hopefully something that JB regrets and as he has alluded to what he has been through with dark thoughts then he really ought to have been able to empathise with LT. LT at such a young impressionable age should have been dealt with behind closed doors. Although LT went on record to say his manager was right to 'call him out' it left a bad taste and thoughts of a young lad just towing the line and doing what he was told, as opposed to being listened to. All of the above aside I do admire JB for his open ways, and his attitude of wanting to improve as a person, to try and not succeed is better than to not try at all, as it stands his constant efforts of improving himself and those around him does seem to outweigh the odd contradiction he makes, which in years gone by seemed more plentiful. As JB and many have said never bottle up, always find an outlet to talk, never feel no one wants to listen, because it simply isn't true. There is always hope if you can find the courage to talk, it's been just over 3 years since I stood outside my local hospital full of cocaine and three days without sleep, yelling at a nurse to section me or I would throw myself off a bridge. The next thing I knew I was sat at home facing two mental health nurses and a lifelong Gashead mate was sat in the corner of my lounge, I had no idea how I got back to the house or how he found out I was so unwell and drove from Wales to collect me. He and his wife saved my life, I had no stop button for the booze or powder and I had lost a business, 23 year marriage and the contact and trust of one of my sons. It has taken quite a time to get back to some sort of normality (whatever that is these days), in the same scenario as JB, upbringing was violent and tough, the violence experienced as a kid turned me to violence, mostly at Rovers in the 80's and 90's, it's a vicious cycle. Recovery, improvement of mental health IMO only comes through sharing, talking, having a safe space to be you and share your thoughts in an environment without judgement. I would hazard a guess that there are hundreds of thousands of JB's who have grown up amongst violence and learned behaviour comes into play and destroyed their own futures. What a child witnesses and experiences in those childhood years are so critical towards a happy future as an adult, and we haven't all had that luxury in life, respect to JB as he is always striving to be the best version of himself today and for the future, and that IMO is an ongoing battle for those of us who have taken a few whacks in life. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2022 18:11:44 GMT
Hopefully he will now be more empathetic when dealing with players struggling with mental health issues.. If the Luke Thomas example is anything to go by then there is IMO a whole lot of work still to be done to stem the odd one or two contradictions made by JB. To publicly call him out while he was suffering with mental health problems is hopefully something that JB regrets and as he has alluded to what he has been through with dark thoughts then he really ought to have been able to empathise with LT. LT at such a young impressionable age should have been dealt with behind closed doors. Although LT went on record to say his manager was right to 'call him out' it left a bad taste and thoughts of a young lad just towing the line and doing what he was told, as opposed to being listened to. All of the above aside I do admire JB for his open ways, and his attitude of wanting to improve as a person, to try and not succeed is better than to not try at all, as it stands his constant efforts of improving himself and those around him does seem to outweigh the odd contradiction he makes, which in years gone by seemed more plentiful. As JB and many have said never bottle up, always find an outlet to talk, never feel no one wants to listen, because it simply isn't true. There is always hope if you can find the courage to talk, it's been just over 3 years since I stood outside my local hospital full of cocaine and three days without sleep, yelling at a nurse to section me or I would throw myself off a bridge. The next thing I knew I was sat at home facing two mental health nurses and a lifelong Gashead mate was sat in the corner of my lounge, I had no idea how I got back to the house or how he found out I was so unwell and drove from Wales to collect me. He and his wife saved my life, I had no stop button for the booze or powder and I had lost a business, 23 year marriage and the contact and trust of one of my sons. It has taken quite a time to get back to some sort of normality (whatever that is these days), in the same scenario as JB, upbringing was violent and tough, the violence experienced as a kid turned me to violence, mostly at Rovers in the 80's and 90's, it's a vicious cycle. Recovery, improvement of mental health IMO only comes through sharing, talking, having a safe space to be you and share your thoughts in an environment without judgement. I would hazard a guess that there are hundreds of thousands of JB's who have grown up amongst violence and learned behaviour comes into play and destroyed their own futures. What a child witnesses and experiences in those childhood years are so critical towards a happy future as an adult, and we haven't all had that luxury in life, respect to JB as he is always striving to be the best version of himself today and for the future, and that IMO is an ongoing battle for those of us who have taken a few whacks in life. Over and above the personal experiences of mental health issues (as defined by the trained medics as opposed to self declaration), are acts of abuse, and/or violence, or narcissist behaviour ever excused by " mental health? If so, is it right to employ and place someone in a position of authority over other human beings if said person is suffering to that degree? It's an intriguing question. |
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Post by farmygas on Aug 16, 2022 19:17:30 GMT
I wonder if signing a bloke on a two year contract then publicly annihilating him after the first loss of the season and sending him to train with the reserves might have a detrimental effect on their mental health. It is impossible to know.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 16, 2022 19:40:06 GMT
If the Luke Thomas example is anything to go by then there is IMO a whole lot of work still to be done to stem the odd one or two contradictions made by JB. To publicly call him out while he was suffering with mental health problems is hopefully something that JB regrets and as he has alluded to what he has been through with dark thoughts then he really ought to have been able to empathise with LT. LT at such a young impressionable age should have been dealt with behind closed doors. Although LT went on record to say his manager was right to 'call him out' it left a bad taste and thoughts of a young lad just towing the line and doing what he was told, as opposed to being listened to. All of the above aside I do admire JB for his open ways, and his attitude of wanting to improve as a person, to try and not succeed is better than to not try at all, as it stands his constant efforts of improving himself and those around him does seem to outweigh the odd contradiction he makes, which in years gone by seemed more plentiful. As JB and many have said never bottle up, always find an outlet to talk, never feel no one wants to listen, because it simply isn't true. There is always hope if you can find the courage to talk, it's been just over 3 years since I stood outside my local hospital full of cocaine and three days without sleep, yelling at a nurse to section me or I would throw myself off a bridge. The next thing I knew I was sat at home facing two mental health nurses and a lifelong Gashead mate was sat in the corner of my lounge, I had no idea how I got back to the house or how he found out I was so unwell and drove from Wales to collect me. He and his wife saved my life, I had no stop button for the booze or powder and I had lost a business, 23 year marriage and the contact and trust of one of my sons. It has taken quite a time to get back to some sort of normality (whatever that is these days), in the same scenario as JB, upbringing was violent and tough, the violence experienced as a kid turned me to violence, mostly at Rovers in the 80's and 90's, it's a vicious cycle. Recovery, improvement of mental health IMO only comes through sharing, talking, having a safe space to be you and share your thoughts in an environment without judgement. I would hazard a guess that there are hundreds of thousands of JB's who have grown up amongst violence and learned behaviour comes into play and destroyed their own futures. What a child witnesses and experiences in those childhood years are so critical towards a happy future as an adult, and we haven't all had that luxury in life, respect to JB as he is always striving to be the best version of himself today and for the future, and that IMO is an ongoing battle for those of us who have taken a few whacks in life. Over and above the personal experiences of mental health issues (as defined by the trained medics as opposed to self declaration), are acts of abuse, and/or violence, or narcissist behaviour ever excused by " mental health? If so, is it right to employ and place someone in a position of authority over other human beings if said person is suffering to that degree? It's an intriguing question. I can totally relate to the feelings which JB has described having that evening, having been through the same myself. I was diagnosed by a very well known Psychiatrist at The Maudsley - hope that meets your required standards. Would you query the authenticity of somebody describing severe stomach pains, if these had not be diagnosed by a trained medic? I'm not at all intruiged by your "question" - I think you saw the chance to have another cheap shot at Mr Barton. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 16, 2022 19:40:53 GMT
I wonder if signing a bloke on a two year contract then publicly annihilating him after the first loss of the season and sending him to train with the reserves might have a detrimental effect on their mental health. It is impossible to know. It's impossible to know what impacted upon whom, when we don't know the full story of what went on after the FGR game. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 20:04:37 GMT
Unfortunately this sneaks up on you, via a number of triggers. Then you are engulfed before you really know what’s going on.
Timings are different for everyone. On a personal note you have to have someone close to see the early signs and those triggers.
Then you have a chance to become better.
It will always be with you until you can try and manage it by yourself with the help of your loved ones.
Don’t forget this is very definitely an illness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 21:26:06 GMT
If the Luke Thomas example is anything to go by then there is IMO a whole lot of work still to be done to stem the odd one or two contradictions made by JB. To publicly call him out while he was suffering with mental health problems is hopefully something that JB regrets and as he has alluded to what he has been through with dark thoughts then he really ought to have been able to empathise with LT. LT at such a young impressionable age should have been dealt with behind closed doors. Although LT went on record to say his manager was right to 'call him out' it left a bad taste and thoughts of a young lad just towing the line and doing what he was told, as opposed to being listened to. All of the above aside I do admire JB for his open ways, and his attitude of wanting to improve as a person, to try and not succeed is better than to not try at all, as it stands his constant efforts of improving himself and those around him does seem to outweigh the odd contradiction he makes, which in years gone by seemed more plentiful. As JB and many have said never bottle up, always find an outlet to talk, never feel no one wants to listen, because it simply isn't true. There is always hope if you can find the courage to talk, it's been just over 3 years since I stood outside my local hospital full of cocaine and three days without sleep, yelling at a nurse to section me or I would throw myself off a bridge. The next thing I knew I was sat at home facing two mental health nurses and a lifelong Gashead mate was sat in the corner of my lounge, I had no idea how I got back to the house or how he found out I was so unwell and drove from Wales to collect me. He and his wife saved my life, I had no stop button for the booze or powder and I had lost a business, 23 year marriage and the contact and trust of one of my sons. It has taken quite a time to get back to some sort of normality (whatever that is these days), in the same scenario as JB, upbringing was violent and tough, the violence experienced as a kid turned me to violence, mostly at Rovers in the 80's and 90's, it's a vicious cycle. Recovery, improvement of mental health IMO only comes through sharing, talking, having a safe space to be you and share your thoughts in an environment without judgement. I would hazard a guess that there are hundreds of thousands of JB's who have grown up amongst violence and learned behaviour comes into play and destroyed their own futures. What a child witnesses and experiences in those childhood years are so critical towards a happy future as an adult, and we haven't all had that luxury in life, respect to JB as he is always striving to be the best version of himself today and for the future, and that IMO is an ongoing battle for those of us who have taken a few whacks in life. Over and above the personal experiences of mental health issues (as defined by the trained medics as opposed to self declaration), are acts of abuse, and/or violence, or narcissist behaviour ever excused by " mental health? If so, is it right to employ and place someone in a position of authority over other human beings if said person is suffering to that degree? It's an intriguing question. I'm not sure what you mean about the difference between a trained medic and self declaration, I didn't need a trained medic to look me in the eye and say you are extremely unwell at the time, in fact I had no idea what day of the week it was, and only few memories from a very traumatic period, do you believe I should have asked a trained medic if this was real anxiety and depression before attempting to end my life? Had you been beaten at home on a regular basis from 7 years of age, then beaten up at school for not being Bristolian, bore scars from an evil step father, would you assess your behaviour as an adult to require another authoritative figure to patronisingly take care of you, because you could not be trusted in society? Maybe, just maybe some of us get (or in my case got) so sick of being a punch bag that eventually we stand up for ourselves, as JB's Dad taught him, stand your ground, with the alternative being just taking more beatings. For what it's worth back in the 80's 90's I never ever went for anyone who didn't want to have a pop at me, ever. I intentionally went looking for bullies to square up to seeing my step fathers face while wading in and giving or taking a beating. In terms of being looked after by a professional, the NHS have been non existent in support thanks to politics abolishing mental health services, aside from weekly 5 minute calls in which a so called expert just types what I say and at the end says well lets reconvene next week, it was as useful as an inflatable dartboard, and no GP is going to get me on Opiods, which are as addictive and destructive as Cocaine. More to the point in taking care of people who experience trauma, addiction, violence, I walked away from where I lived, walked away from people who supported/encouraged the use of hard drugs and excessive drinking. I then walked towards the path of non-religious spirituality, did a Mindfulness course, surrounded myself with compassionate people who were clean and dry but had a history of mental health problems caused by alcohol an drug abuse, truly amazing people. These are IMO the very best people to surround yourself with, those who have lived, felt and caused hurt and changed their lives around and become decent people. Would I change that to be surrounded by medically qualified people looking from the outside in with no empathy of what a traumatic childhood feels or looks like? Absolutely not, the choice I took three years ago to make big changes has resulted in a life now that is largely unrecognisable in comparison, I want to continue to live and feel life and love more than ever before. Three years down the line it's now all about giving back to anyone who needs support on a regular basis, offering empathy and a listening ear (never advice!). It has worked well for past three years and with what I regard as the real experts around (ex addicts) who support unconditionally with empathy I know the final third of life will be a lot more peaceful than the first two thirds. . |
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2022 21:31:35 GMT
Over and above the personal experiences of mental health issues (as defined by the trained medics as opposed to self declaration), are acts of abuse, and/or violence, or narcissist behaviour ever excused by " mental health? If so, is it right to employ and place someone in a position of authority over other human beings if said person is suffering to that degree? It's an intriguing question. I can totally relate to the feelings which JB has described having that evening, having been through the same myself. I was diagnosed by a very well known Psychiatrist at The Maudsley - hope that meets your required standards. Would you query the authenticity of somebody describing severe stomach pains, if these had not be diagnosed by a trained medic? I'm not at all intruiged by your "question" - I think you saw the chance to have another cheap shot at Mr Barton. Tilly You can view it that way, absolutely. I think many of us, having reached a certain "age" may well have engaged with the medics on mental health issues. I am not getting into a willy waiving contest (inappropriate in your case, obviously) of who has suffered the most. But, I personally, have a deep suspicion of those that put this out there so loudly when their own behaviour is so open to question. I am not challenging Mr Barton on his stated mental health issues (how could I, I am not qualified) but it is questionable when he makes public statements like this whilst, it appears, to feel the need to humiliate people in such a public manner. To the amateur such as me this is does read like classic narcissist behaviour. |
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