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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 15, 2022 14:12:24 GMT
I think the weather and train strikes contributed to some empty seats. Or maybe the empty seats served as an air conditioning system?! 😉 I guess as long as those places were paid for, the club wouldn't give a fig whether they were occupied or not? Plus the Oxfords fans boycott because of the poor away end facilities |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 15, 2022 14:18:17 GMT
Um....Queen fiasco anyone? Get the marketing and ticketing done, yet ignore or forget SAG advice before it goes to press! The club has a duty of care. That should come before any money making schemes, and should fit in with today's safety parameters something it clearly had failed to implement. Embarrassing. What safety incidents or risks were there before? Genuinely curious as I can’t recall anything occurring that would require swiping a hefty 2k off the gate. Standard of stewarding for a start that done NOTHING to help, that was grossly under verified, outsourced, using what appeared to be children; some of whom non responsive to English language. These were highlighted on forums last season. It didn't help in pitch invasions not just last game, but v Oxford in the cup. I get over exuberance, but it falls in line with refs and authorities asking the club to explain itself, and I wonder what staff allowed this to fall below due diligence standards? Maybe it hasn't happened before because previous staff have been bombed out for nepotism of new CEO? I don't know, I'm not itk.....but something has happened for SAG to react in such a way. |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 15, 2022 14:23:31 GMT
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 15, 2022 14:25:58 GMT
What safety incidents or risks were there before? Genuinely curious as I can’t recall anything occurring that would require swiping a hefty 2k off the gate. Standard of stewarding for a start that done NOTHING to help, that was grossly under verified, outsourced, using what appeared to be children; some of whom non responsive to English language. These were highlighted on forums last season. It didn't help in pitch invasions not just last game, but v Oxford in the cup. I get over exuberance, but it falls in line with refs and authorities asking the club to explain itself, and I wonder what staff allowed this to fall below due diligence standards? Maybe it hasn't happened before because previous staff have been bombed out for nepotism of new CEO? I don't know, I'm not itk.....but something has happened for SAG to react in such a way. If it is pitch invasions they’re going about it completely the wrong way. I thought we’d had a crush injury incident or something. Painting yellow lines on the floor won’t stop anyone vaulting the advertising boards 🤦🏻 |
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Aug 15, 2022 14:30:19 GMT
What safety incidents or risks were there before? Genuinely curious as I can’t recall anything occurring that would require swiping a hefty 2k off the gate. Standard of stewarding for a start that done NOTHING to help, that was grossly under verified, outsourced, using what appeared to be children; some of whom non responsive to English language. These were highlighted on forums last season. It didn't help in pitch invasions not just last game, but v Oxford in the cup. I get over exuberance, but it falls in line with refs and authorities asking the club to explain itself, and I wonder what staff allowed this to fall below due diligence standards? Maybe it hasn't happened before because previous staff have been bombed out for nepotism of new CEO? I don't know, I'm not itk.....but something has happened for SAG to react in such a way.
I've often wondered if some of the can speak english, had a few occasions where i've been pushed out into the yellow walk ways just be greeted by one them poking me in the back and pointing to say get back into the crowd.
Tried explaining many times I cant stop 100's of fans pushing in my direction forcing me ontop the walk way but its like talking to a brick wall.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 15, 2022 14:38:02 GMT
Standard of stewarding for a start that done NOTHING to help, that was grossly under verified, outsourced, using what appeared to be children; some of whom non responsive to English language. These were highlighted on forums last season. It didn't help in pitch invasions not just last game, but v Oxford in the cup. I get over exuberance, but it falls in line with refs and authorities asking the club to explain itself, and I wonder what staff allowed this to fall below due diligence standards? Maybe it hasn't happened before because previous staff have been bombed out for nepotism of new CEO? I don't know, I'm not itk.....but something has happened for SAG to react in such a way. If it is pitch invasions they’re going about it completely the wrong way. I thought we’d had a crush injury incident or something. Painting yellow lines on the floor won’t stop anyone vaulting the advertising boards 🤦🏻 Maybe there was? Maybe there were crushed of sorts? I know more than once last season, some kids gained access to the ground completely drunk/drugged vomiting, it's a line between parenting and stewarding allowing access, but the stewardship was woeful, bordering on neglect. I know I didn't feel safe if there was an emergency. That's just one aspect. If I was CEO, I'd be questioning why this was happening on my watch? I thought we had Safety Officers, experienced staff at the club to negate this sort of thing before it got to SAG? But this didn't happen before TG was here, I know that. |
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Post by gasify on Aug 15, 2022 17:39:33 GMT
Um....Queen fiasco anyone? Get the marketing and ticketing done, yet ignore or forget SAG advice before it goes to press! The club has a duty of care. That should come before any money making schemes, and should fit in with today's safety parameters something it clearly had failed to implement. Embarrassing. What safety incidents or risks were there before? Genuinely curious as I can’t recall anything occurring that would require swiping a hefty 2k off the gate. How about: Fans invading the pitch from FGR and the home fans invading the pitch to have a go at them. Sounds like Rovers weren't doing a good job to keep the crowd under control. A 17 year old goalkeeper getting punched in the face, again sounds like Rovers not doing their job to protect players. How about a defibrillator not getting to someone on the Thatchers end last season as the incident happened just before half time and there was a bottleneck of fans waiting for the bar to open. When we go to a football match, we are putting our safety in someone else's control. If they are not adhering to player safety and crowd safety concerns then the SAG group are damn right for calling it out. The sad thing here is that people are blaming the SAG organisation. I think the term is "Give your head a wobble" as safety impacts us all. Those fans that ran onto the pitch against FGR and Interupted the play when we scored the 7th on the last day should be offering to pay the club back for the fine and subsequent loss of revenue. Maybe some volunteering if they haven't got the cash. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 15, 2022 17:54:14 GMT
What safety incidents or risks were there before? Genuinely curious as I can’t recall anything occurring that would require swiping a hefty 2k off the gate. How about: Fans invading the pitch from FGR and the home fans invading the pitch to have a go at them. Sounds like Rovers weren't doing a good job to keep the crowd under control. A 17 year old goalkeeper getting punched in the face, again sounds like Rovers not doing their job to protect players. How about a defibrillator not getting to someone on the Thatchers end last season as the incident happened just before half time and there was a bottleneck of fans waiting for the bar to open. When we go to a football match, we are putting our safety in someone else's control. If they are not adhering to player safety and crowd safety concerns then the SAG group are damn right for calling it out. The sad thing here is that people are blaming the SAG organisation. I think the term is "Give your head a wobble" as safety impacts us all. Those fans that ran onto the pitch against FGR and Interupted the play when we scored the 7th on the last day should be offering to pay the club back for the fine and subsequent loss of revenue. Maybe some volunteering if they haven't got the cash. Again the pitch invading & throttling a keeper is nowt to do with standing at the front against advertising boards, for a long time it was an unwritten rule that the front section was kids only. Clearly that’s gone out the window! Your defib example however is a very good and important one. Something the club should/could press hard when the statements come out. My head will remain unwobbled for now😄 |
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Post by gasonthemount on Aug 15, 2022 18:15:27 GMT
Did not realise this but the capacity for the Thatchers End was actually cut from 3,095 to 2,100 for the FGR and Oxford games. That is a reduction of 995. Considering that for many years the capacity was 3,700, I would like to know what actual criteria is being used for this section of terracing.
The Thatchers End looked only two thirds full on Saturday.
I am not criticising the SAG or the need for safety but some more information on the criteria and the thinking by the group would be welcomed by many supporters.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2022 18:25:44 GMT
Did not realise this but the capacity for the Thatchers End was actually cut from 3,095 to 2,100 for the FGR and Oxford games. That is a reduction of 995. Considering that for many years the capacity was 3,700, I would like to know what actual criteria is being used for this section of terracing. The Thatchers End looked only two thirds full on Saturday. I am not criticising the SAG or the need for safety but some more information on the criteria and the thinking by the group would be welcomed by many supporters. There was an explanation posted on one of the threads, apparently football grounds can only have so many fans per crush barrier, I believe the issue with fans standing near the front of the terracing is that there are no crush barriers. It was mentioned the club were looking at the costs of installing additional barriers but nothing more has been said on that subject. Another issue is why hasn't the East Terracing capacity been increased following the removal of the family stand? Perhaps our Fans Directors can answer this cost, have the club looked into ways of increasing the ground capacity, if so, what's holding them back? |
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Post by gasify on Aug 15, 2022 18:42:36 GMT
How about: Fans invading the pitch from FGR and the home fans invading the pitch to have a go at them. Sounds like Rovers weren't doing a good job to keep the crowd under control. A 17 year old goalkeeper getting punched in the face, again sounds like Rovers not doing their job to protect players. How about a defibrillator not getting to someone on the Thatchers end last season as the incident happened just before half time and there was a bottleneck of fans waiting for the bar to open. When we go to a football match, we are putting our safety in someone else's control. If they are not adhering to player safety and crowd safety concerns then the SAG group are damn right for calling it out. The sad thing here is that people are blaming the SAG organisation. I think the term is "Give your head a wobble" as safety impacts us all. Those fans that ran onto the pitch against FGR and Interupted the play when we scored the 7th on the last day should be offering to pay the club back for the fine and subsequent loss of revenue. Maybe some volunteering if they haven't got the cash. Again the pitch invading & throttling a keeper is nowt to do with standing at the front against advertising boards, for a long time it was an unwritten rule that the front section was kids only. Clearly that’s gone out the window! Your defib example however is a very good and important one. Something the club should/could press hard when the statements come out. My head will remain unwobbled for now😄 I think there are two things happening here that we need to make sure we all agree on (or not). 1) The standing area that is level with the pitch cannot be used around the ground for spectators. This, my understanding was FL rule. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/september/thatchers-terrace-statement/The question for me here is: Is this a new rule? OR Have we disregarded the safety of our younger fans for years?This occured last season. 2) The restrictions that have been put in place this season has been a result of the club not being able to control their fans (as mentioned before). An analogy I would draw is: My village has a 20 mph speed limit. I regularly drive at 50 mph through my village. No one has ever got Hurt and the kids like it when I speed past in my sports car. Now the police have decided to put speed camera in my village and fined me for my previous behaviour. Bloody police, snowflakes. Why are they only just starting to think about safety and the law. Its been like this for years, why should they start worrying about it now. Its political correctness gone mad. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 15, 2022 18:44:48 GMT
Rather than blame SAG for monitoring the safety of some of the worst facilities in the football league we question the silence of our owner who promised to improve them 7 years ago.
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 15, 2022 18:50:13 GMT
Again the pitch invading & throttling a keeper is nowt to do with standing at the front against advertising boards, for a long time it was an unwritten rule that the front section was kids only. Clearly that’s gone out the window! Your defib example however is a very good and important one. Something the club should/could press hard when the statements come out. My head will remain unwobbled for now😄 I think there are two things happening here that we need to make sure we all agree on (or not). 1) The standing area that is level with the pitch cannot be used around the ground for spectators. This, my understanding was FL rule. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/september/thatchers-terrace-statement/The question for me here is: Is this a new rule? OR Have we disregarded the safety of our younger fans for years?This occured last season. 2) The restrictions that have been put in place this season has been a result of the club not being able to control their fans (as mentioned before). An analogy I would draw is: My village has a 20 mph speed limit. I regularly drive at 50 mph through my village. No one has ever got Hurt and the kids like it when I speed past in my sports car. Now the police have decided to put speed camera in my village and fined me for my previous behaviour. Bloody police, snowflakes. Why are they only just starting to think about safety and the law. Its been like this for years, why should they start worrying about it now. Its political correctness gone mad. Would love to know if it always has been a rule, we’ve played a lot of home matches since 1996! I was involved in a crush in the March 1997 derby, aged 11. Myself and younger brother caught up in a ton of rampaging loons who were trying to get to the sheeds who celebrated in the blackthorn end after Agastino’s opener. Quite unpleasant, not sure if anything has happened since, anytime we beat the 82ers at home or Lee Brown day for example. No problem with a restricted capacity in the interests of spectator safety, but merely for the recent pitch encroachments? Proper kick in the ballbag to lose 2/3k off the gate for those very infrequent episodes. |
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Post by gasify on Aug 15, 2022 18:57:11 GMT
I think there are two things happening here that we need to make sure we all agree on (or not). 1) The standing area that is level with the pitch cannot be used around the ground for spectators. This, my understanding was FL rule. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/september/thatchers-terrace-statement/The question for me here is: Is this a new rule? OR Have we disregarded the safety of our younger fans for years?This occured last season. 2) The restrictions that have been put in place this season has been a result of the club not being able to control their fans (as mentioned before). An analogy I would draw is: My village has a 20 mph speed limit. I regularly drive at 50 mph through my village. No one has ever got Hurt and the kids like it when I speed past in my sports car. Now the police have decided to put speed camera in my village and fined me for my previous behaviour. Bloody police, snowflakes. Why are they only just starting to think about safety and the law. Its been like this for years, why should they start worrying about it now. Its political correctness gone mad. Would love to know if it always has been a rule, we’ve played a lot of home matches since 1996! I was involved in a crush in the March 1997 derby, aged 11. Myself and younger brother caught up in a ton of rampaging loons who were trying to get to the sheeds who celebrated in the blackthorn end after Agastino’s opener. Quite unpleasant, not sure if anything has happened since, anytime we beat the 82ers at home or Lee Brown day for example. No problem with a restricted capacity in the interests of spectator safety, but merely for the recent pitch encroachments? Proper kick in the ballbag to lose 2/3k off the gate for those very infrequent episodes. I think it's come to this because we haven't listened to the SAG group historically. They have probably got to the point of "Well, the carrot hasn't worked, where is the stick?" Probably rightly so. After all, this is about crowd safety and potentially the safety of children As others have said, why hasn't the club done anything about this in the closed season? Could have put in more barriers if that was the issue. Why haven't they done that? It did look like a different team of security people yesterday, so maybe things are starting to change and we can go back to a bigger capacity. Personally, I see another angle which could be good. It could be leverage for a new stadium, maybe planning permission ...? |
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Post by Big Jock on Aug 15, 2022 19:06:08 GMT
Rather than blame SAG for monitoring the safety of some of the worst facilities in the football league we question the silence of our owner who promised to improve them 7 years ago. Absolutely Chippenham, cannae imagine anything of th sort happening in a decent stadium 👍🏼 But for clarity, in case yous struggling….it happens at th best teams, with th most spend thrifty owners, in th best stadiums. BTW, nae need ta thank me for pointing it out 😎  |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 15, 2022 19:32:55 GMT
Rather than blame SAG for monitoring the safety of some of the worst facilities in the football league we question the silence of our owner who promised to improve them 7 years ago. Absolutely Chippenham, cannae imagine anything of th sort happening in a decent stadium 👍🏼 But for clarity, in case yous struggling….it happens at th best teams, with th most spend thrifty owners, in th best stadiums. BTW, nae need ta thank me for pointing it out 😎 The stadium isn't fit for purpose in the modern age, end of story. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2022 19:33:43 GMT
Would love to know if it always has been a rule, we’ve played a lot of home matches since 1996! I was involved in a crush in the March 1997 derby, aged 11. Myself and younger brother caught up in a ton of rampaging loons who were trying to get to the sheeds who celebrated in the blackthorn end after Agastino’s opener. Quite unpleasant, not sure if anything has happened since, anytime we beat the 82ers at home or Lee Brown day for example. No problem with a restricted capacity in the interests of spectator safety, but merely for the recent pitch encroachments? Proper kick in the ballbag to lose 2/3k off the gate for those very infrequent episodes. I think it's come to this because we haven't listened to the SAG group historically. They have probably got to the point of "Well, the carrot hasn't worked, where is the stick?" Probably rightly so. After all, this is about crowd safety and potentially the safety of children As others have said, why hasn't the club done anything about this in the closed season? Could have put in more barriers if that was the issue. Why haven't they done that? It did look like a different team of security people yesterday, so maybe things are starting to change and we can go back to a bigger capacity. Personally, I see another angle which could be good. It could be leverage for a new stadium, maybe planning permission ...? "Possible solutions could include creating a family area within the terrace or adding an additional step at the front for children" So what became of those possible solutions, given that article was published nearly 12 months ago? |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Aug 15, 2022 21:07:41 GMT
You could argue 25 years of kids stood on the barriers (been there, done it) was probably good for crowd control. Whilst not strictly adhering to SAG policy, using kids as a human shield for the most part stopped the knobheads invading the pitch!
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Post by gasify on Aug 15, 2022 21:29:12 GMT
I think it's come to this because we haven't listened to the SAG group historically. They have probably got to the point of "Well, the carrot hasn't worked, where is the stick?" Probably rightly so. After all, this is about crowd safety and potentially the safety of children As others have said, why hasn't the club done anything about this in the closed season? Could have put in more barriers if that was the issue. Why haven't they done that? It did look like a different team of security people yesterday, so maybe things are starting to change and we can go back to a bigger capacity. Personally, I see another angle which could be good. It could be leverage for a new stadium, maybe planning permission ...? "Possible solutions could include creating a family area within the terrace or adding an additional step at the front for children" So what became of those possible solutions, given that article was published nearly 12 months ago? Exactly. Don't blame SAG. The club has to take responsibility for safety. |
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Post by percy on Aug 24, 2022 15:39:01 GMT
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