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Post by warehamgas on Aug 16, 2022 10:35:46 GMT
How can someone’s overall stats not be correct? Barton’s overall stats are worse than DCs for us and that’s that. Yet people are already putting him above DC? Everyone is talking about what Joey COULD do not what he HAS done. That is why he is not above DC at this current moment in time but you lot do you. Your post is a great example of this. The guy has won about 4 games at League 1 level out of 20 if not 25. I can’t be bothered to look it up for accuracy but can’t be far off. When he improves on that he can be considered better than DC but he has a long way to go. Regardless of what I think of him. Those who just come at me with “you hate him” have no other argument. You need to move on from your love in with DC - he’s gone - he’s history and won’t be coming back - embrace Bristol Rovers as they are now. When DC was sacked he was a busted flush here after winning just 4 games in 21 and fortunately in some respects he didn’t have another relegation on his CV because that’s where we were heading. - he then carried his lack of tactical awareness on to Walsall where he failed miserably and walked out on them. These are facts! If you insist on comparing stats it may be worth comparing ‘apples with apples’ and compare DC’s EFL stats with JB’s and not include the ‘free hit’ results achieved in non league football. Whether you like it or not (clearly you don’t) JB is tactically and recruitment wise light years ahead of DC and the proof will be in the pudding come this season end. Interesting thoughts blueridge. I love DC, but don’t disagree with your comparisons. I think JB is a more tactically aware manager who has a past history that gets in the way of any discussion about his merits as a football manager. His past football experience of playing at the top for so long gives him a knowledge that others without that experience don’t get. I also think JB knows that with us he has a club with potential to do very well and given the time and finance that Wael may well give him he has the chance to really achieve something. He did well at Fleetwood but there is a glass ceiling there which will always limit what is achieved. League 1 play offs and their crowds were still low. Forget the stats really, you can make them say what you want if you are selective. JB so far hasn’t achieved much in League 1 with us but you can see that he’s put together a team far more suited to League 1 than the past four managers have. Now he has to achieve that and only time will tell. It means very little, but when I watched the second half v Oxford I was in no doubt that we’d win. The team were set up to deal with what Oxford threw at us (not much). A good mid table finish this season and gradual improvement and then we go again. But I don’t think JB is that patient, he’s looking for more. No complacency there! UTG! |
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Post by kruger on Aug 16, 2022 12:46:48 GMT
You need to move on from your love in with DC - he’s gone - he’s history and won’t be coming back - embrace Bristol Rovers as they are now. When DC was sacked he was a busted flush here after winning just 4 games in 21 and fortunately in some respects he didn’t have another relegation on his CV because that’s where we were heading. - he then carried his lack of tactical awareness on to Walsall where he failed miserably and walked out on them. These are facts! If you insist on comparing stats it may be worth comparing ‘apples with apples’ and compare DC’s EFL stats with JB’s and not include the ‘free hit’ results achieved in non league football. Whether you like it or not (clearly you don’t) JB is tactically and recruitment wise light years ahead of DC and the proof will be in the pudding come this season end. Interesting thoughts blueridge. I love DC, but don’t disagree with your comparisons. I think JB is a more tactically aware manager who has a past history that gets in the way of any discussion about his merits as a football manager. His past football experience of playing at the top for so long gives him a knowledge that others without that experience don’t get. I also think JB knows that with us he has a club with potential to do very well and given the time and finance that Wael may well give him he has the chance to really achieve something. He did well at Fleetwood but there is a glass ceiling there which will always limit what is achieved. League 1 play offs and their crowds were still low. Forget the stats really, you can make them say what you want if you are selective. JB so far hasn’t achieved much in League 1 with us but you can see that he’s put together a team far more suited to League 1 than the past four managers have. Now he has to achieve that and only time will tell. It means very little, but when I watched the second half v Oxford I was in no doubt that we’d win. The team were set up to deal with what Oxford threw at us (not much). A good mid table finish this season and gradual improvement and then we go again. But I don’t think JB is that patient, he’s looking for more. No complacency there! UTG! . |
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Post by kruger on Aug 16, 2022 12:49:31 GMT
Your stats are not correct though are they as DC at the start of his tenure was poor. You have used his overall record and not the same timescale and games played. I didn't say who's opinion is right or wrong you stated that you couldn't believe what you were reading and didn't back it up with anything until the ppg average. You have a hatred of JB which is your prerogative but don't let it cloud over the fact he is turning us around from being an absolute laughing stock that we had become. The positivity running through the club/players/fans is something I haven't seen for years and the majority are enjoying this upward curve and are believing that we can take the next step up into Championship. For most that is good enough and yes there is no guarantees that we will get there but I am loving attending the Mem and travelling away again as it seemed to become a bit of a chore as there was no buzz around the ground. Is this down to JB 100% yes it is and whether you like him ,tolerate him or hate him you have to agree he has done a fantastic job here so far. How can someone’s overall stats not be correct? Barton’s overall stats are worse than DCs for us and that’s that. Yet people are already putting him above DC? Everyone is talking about what Joey COULD do not what he HAS done. That is why he is not above DC at this current moment in time but you lot do you. Your post is a great example of this. The guy has won about 4 games at League 1 level out of 20 if not 25. I can’t be bothered to look it up for accuracy but can’t be far off. When he improves on that he can be considered better than DC but he has a long way to go. Regardless of what I think of him. Those who just come at me with “you hate him” have no other argument. also DC not giving us a 2nd thought anymore, his love is for PV now, if you love him so much why don't you support PV instead, everything you post is negative regarding JB and Rovers. |
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Post by Big Jock on Aug 16, 2022 13:10:49 GMT
Yous really dinnae have ta pick yer favourite ffs, it is possible ta like, respect an acknowledge both 👍🏼
An th ppg, or win % is really no guide ta be fair.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 16, 2022 14:17:49 GMT
We have been told that a 2nd coming will happen... well it has and he is called Joey Barton. The man can walk on water IMHO
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 16, 2022 14:18:22 GMT
I agree that it’s disrespectful. Also why talk about his ‘lack of tactical awareness’ at Walsall (where he didn’t fail in any case) but conveniently forget he’s just got Port Vale promoted after going through personal hell. I cannot see the logic in standing up for the current manager by diminishing the record of a previous one who by any objective criteria, did really well. And why shouldn’t I stand up for the current manager when he is consistently being hit back by one poster in his comparisons to DC? I don’t think anyone on this thread has said you shouldn’t stick up for the current manager! He’s done really well and I hope he’ll take us even further. It just seems odd to seek to minimise a former manager’s achievements whilst you do it. It’s why it grates me when some people can’t forgive DC for being in charge when we got relegated to league 2 (for what it’s worth I don’t think Barton was to blame for his relegation either) or when discussing Gerry’s achievements, some feel the need to use his second spell against him. We have had so few moments to celebrate in our history, that we need to enjoy them all for what they are! Why do people feel the need to seek division nowadays when there isn’t really any in the first place? I don’t know any anti-Barton supporter who doesn’t agree that he’s done a good job, or isn’t happy that we got promoted. I don’t think anyone is any less a supporter for taking a moral view on Barton as a person, just as I don’t have anything against anyone singing his name. Clubs move forward when everyone is together and more or less, that’s what I see at the moment. |
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