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Post by francegas on Feb 24, 2022 12:52:35 GMT
Well Macron has egg on his face. Thought he came back with a peace deal after meeting Putin. F*cking idiot.
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Post by francegas on Feb 24, 2022 12:54:33 GMT
Thought we have the best in the world namely the SAS. Send a group in and take out Putin.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 24, 2022 12:58:18 GMT
I don't know about others but I know several Eastern Europeans who have families back home, If I was them I would feel very worried right now. We have to respond or this won't stop at Ukraine.
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 24, 2022 13:07:50 GMT
Well Macron has egg on his face. Thought he came back with a peace deal after meeting Putin. F*cking idiot. He was played ,a Neville Chamberlain moment,this is all so like the late 1930s and yet we haven't learnt, if you look at Putin's speech he wants NATO back to pre 1997 boundaries which puts 13 East European Countries at risk,he's told us what he's going to do and were going to have to step up if he threatens Poland etc . As for Macron been played for a fool, the West needs to look at the hard evidence in front of them and unfortunately start to prepare for a much tougher military stance, history of tells us appeasement never works. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2022 13:09:16 GMT
I don't know about others but I know several Eastern Europeans who have families back home, If I was them I would feel very worried right now. We have to respond or this won't stop at Ukraine. Respond how? The UK has what, 3 nuclear subs, Russia has 51. We have 10,000 troops, Russia has 900,000 with 2 mil in reserve. I doubt if we added everything Europe has to offer we wouldn't stand a chance. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 24, 2022 13:12:15 GMT
I don't know about others but I know several Eastern Europeans who have families back home, If I was them I would feel very worried right now. We have to respond or this won't stop at Ukraine. Respond how? The UK has what, 3 nuclear subs, Russia has 51. We have 10,000 troops, Russia has 900,000 with 2 mil in reserve. I doubt if we added everything Europe has to offer we wouldn't stand a chance. I don't know the figures but Obviously I don't mean UK on it's own but with our Allies. |
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Post by axegas on Feb 24, 2022 13:15:22 GMT
I don't know about others but I know several Eastern Europeans who have families back home, If I was them I would feel very worried right now. We have to respond or this won't stop at Ukraine. Respond how? The UK has what, 3 nuclear subs, Russia has 51. We have 10,000 troops, Russia has 900,000 with 2 mil in reserve. I doubt if we added everything Europe has to offer we wouldn't stand a chance. We have just over 80,000 troops and more in reserve. We also have I think 11 nuclear powered submarines? Not that it’s going to escalate like that in anyway. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 24, 2022 13:20:38 GMT
Respond how? The UK has what, 3 nuclear subs, Russia has 51. We have 10,000 troops, Russia has 900,000 with 2 mil in reserve. I doubt if we added everything Europe has to offer we wouldn't stand a chance. We have just over 80,000 troops and more in reserve. We also have I think 11 nuclear powered submarines? Not that it’s going to escalate like that in anyway. We have to be prepared for that. It appears that NATO wants this invasion not only to fail, but be seen to fail and topple Putin. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2022 13:30:08 GMT
Respond how? The UK has what, 3 nuclear subs, Russia has 51. We have 10,000 troops, Russia has 900,000 with 2 mil in reserve. I doubt if we added everything Europe has to offer we wouldn't stand a chance. We have just over 80,000 troops and more in reserve. We also have I think 11 nuclear powered submarines? Not that it’s going to escalate like that in anyway. Well lets just hope it doesn't come to any of that. |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 24, 2022 13:36:04 GMT
We have just over 80,000 troops and more in reserve. We also have I think 11 nuclear powered submarines? Not that it’s going to escalate like that in anyway. We have to be prepared for that. It appears that NATO wants this invasion not only to fail, but be seen to fail and topple Putin. Yep it’s pretty much all in for Putin . He either gets defeated or he’ll March on and take all the other previous soviet block countries. It’s sh** or bust. Remember that Trump has been his biggest fan alongside other far right loons like Farage who calls him a genius. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2022 13:41:07 GMT
We have to be prepared for that. It appears that NATO wants this invasion not only to fail, but be seen to fail and topple Putin. Yep it’s pretty much all in for Putin . He either gets defeated or he’ll March on and take all the other previous soviet block countries. It’s sh** or bust. Remember that Trump has been his biggest fan alongside other far right loons like Farage who calls him a genius. Any chance of the US stepping up? |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 24, 2022 13:47:13 GMT
Yep it’s pretty much all in for Putin . He either gets defeated or he’ll March on and take all the other previous soviet block countries. It’s sh** or bust. Remember that Trump has been his biggest fan alongside other far right loons like Farage who calls him a genius. Any chance of the US stepping up? Doubtful with only 26% of the US public wanting to get involved at all . They’ll only join in when the rest of Europe is on the brink of collapse. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2022 13:56:20 GMT
Any chance of the US stepping up? Doubtful with only 26% of the US public wanting to get involved at all . They’ll only join in when the rest of Europe is on the brink of collapse. Again. |
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Post by francegas on Feb 24, 2022 14:17:03 GMT
Doubtful with only 26% of the US public wanting to get involved at all . They’ll only join in when the rest of Europe is on the brink of collapse. Again. Why change the habit of a lifetime the second world war was in full fling for two years before America joined. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 24, 2022 14:22:22 GMT
Respond how? The UK has what, 3 nuclear subs, Russia has 51. We have 10,000 troops, Russia has 900,000 with 2 mil in reserve. I doubt if we added everything Europe has to offer we wouldn't stand a chance. We have just over 80,000 troops and more in reserve. We also have I think 11 nuclear powered submarines? Not that it’s going to escalate like that in anyway. 6 operational attack submarines (a 7th is not available) and 4 with nuclear missiles, of which 1 is always at sea. The army isn't ready for this type of conflict, it's been allowed to atrophy skills and its equipment is obsolete. On the ground we are outnumbered, outraged and outgunned. The army in 1939 was, relatively speaking at least, in a better shape. We (UK and Nato as a whole) have technical superiority at sea and in the air. Not that this matters, it's all academic anyway...hopefully. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 24, 2022 14:54:40 GMT
Ahh, ok. So he lives in Brislington. Doubt it, he has an economics degree and 20 years experience, unlike most of us plebs, so would live somewhere upmarket. St Anne's probably. 😃 None of that’s relevant. You’re only all getting salty because all you do is read the paper and think you know it all. Then when something goes against that, you act like little playground bullies. Sadly for you, and club broadsheet, it makes no difference. You could put my windows through and you’d still be wrong. I’ve been to Russia twice, I can speak basic Russian too. If you stated your credentials, my guess all any of you could say is “I read the BBC website” |
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 24, 2022 14:57:08 GMT
We are just facing what the rest of the world had to deal with post war. The US has bases all over Asia and Europe and were the dominant power for a lifetime. You should see China now, it makes Britain look like a dump. Ha ha, really, you think? Try communicating on your chosen platform. Try making any sort of statement that is critical of the leadership. Try living in one of their "apartment" blocks. China is a dystopian shithole with a facade of steel and glass. Have you been there? How do you know about these things? |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 24, 2022 14:58:01 GMT
We have just over 80,000 troops and more in reserve. We also have I think 11 nuclear powered submarines? Not that it’s going to escalate like that in anyway. 6 operational attack submarines (a 7th is not available) and 4 with nuclear missiles, of which 1 is always at sea. The army isn't ready for this type of conflict, it's been allowed to atrophy skills and its equipment is obsolete. On the ground we are outnumbered, outraged and outgunned. The army in 1939 was, relatively speaking at least, in a better shape. We (UK and Nato as a whole) have technical superiority at sea and in the air. Not that this matters, it's all academic anyway...hopefully. Stuart do you think he will stop at Ukraine bearing in mind his aim is to roll NATO back to pre 1997 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 24, 2022 15:42:25 GMT
Doubt it, he has an economics degree and 20 years experience, unlike most of us plebs, so would live somewhere upmarket. St Anne's probably. 😃 None of that’s relevant. You’re only all getting salty because all you do is read the paper and think you know it all. Then when something goes against that, you act like little playground bullies. Sadly for you, and club broadsheet, it makes no difference. You could put my windows through and you’d still be wrong. I’ve been to Russia twice, I can speak basic Russian too. If you stated your credentials, my guess all any of you could say is “I read the BBC website” Did you used to post before under the name Gregory Stevens? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 24, 2022 15:52:08 GMT
6 operational attack submarines (a 7th is not available) and 4 with nuclear missiles, of which 1 is always at sea. The army isn't ready for this type of conflict, it's been allowed to atrophy skills and its equipment is obsolete. On the ground we are outnumbered, outraged and outgunned. The army in 1939 was, relatively speaking at least, in a better shape. We (UK and Nato as a whole) have technical superiority at sea and in the air. Not that this matters, it's all academic anyway...hopefully. Stuart do you think he will stop at Ukraine bearing in mind his aim is to roll NATO back to pre 1997 I'd normally say he'd stop at Eastern Ukraine with perhaps a puppet government installed for the rest, but his ramblings recently have come across unhinged. Not diplomatic, but Ben Wallace saying he's gone "Tonto" is probably accurate and scary. Sweden and Finland are looking at Nato membership, wonder how this will affect their choices. Edit: Unless the Ukrainian forces capitulate or the government surrenders, 150,000 troops is not going to be enough to take over the whole country, not by conventional wisdom anyway. They'd need two or three times that. |
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