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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 29, 2021 16:47:22 GMT
Getting rid of Barton, although terrible timing, not great for all the players and coaches whove come in and inevitably expensive, would absolutely be in the best interests of the club
It’s better timing now than in November or December for sure. It’s inevitable he’ll be found guilty for one or both of those charges.
I reckon the club know he’s going down and are waiting for the verdict to be able to sack him without having to pay compensation.
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Post by yattongas on Jul 29, 2021 16:53:29 GMT
Getting rid of Barton, although terrible timing, not great for all the players and coaches whove come in and inevitably expensive, would absolutely be in the best interests of the club It’s better timing now than in November or December for sure. It’s inevitable he’ll be found guilty for one or both of those charges. I reckon the club know he’s going down and are waiting for the verdict to be able to sack him without having to pay compensation. Rubbish , it’s not inevitable at all . |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 29, 2021 16:57:00 GMT
Getting rid of Barton, although terrible timing, not great for all the players and coaches whove come in and inevitably expensive, would absolutely be in the best interests of the club It’s better timing now than in November or December for sure. It’s inevitable he’ll be found guilty for one or both of those charges. I reckon the club know he’s going down and are waiting for the verdict to be able to sack him without having to pay compensation. Rubbish , it’s not inevitable at all . Technically maybe not. But if not November, December, it’ll happen at some point. He’s a ticking time bomb. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 29, 2021 16:59:14 GMT
Rubbish , it’s not inevitable at all . Technically maybe not. But if not November, December, it’ll happen at some point. He’s a ticking time bomb. Yep you’re probably right on that but on the court cases nothing is inevitable. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2021 17:07:04 GMT
Well done Bluestick and Hugo, quality posts trying to explain the current dilemma. I’ve only participated in this thread with one post about who’s missing, uncontroversial I think.
FWIW
- we have a manager who, regardless of what’s happened/ not happened since his appointment, divides opinion in football in general not just at BRFC.
- his behaviour as manager, calling out individual players and ex-managers was a practice that we weren’t used to and wasn’t something everyone felt comfortable with.
- we have become increasingly frustrated as a fan base over the ground issue. It looks like we’ve gone backwards since August 2017 when the announcement of the collapse of the UWE plans. Nothing concrete since.
- the improvements to the Mem have hardly been improvements and there now appears a lethargy settled over our owners regarding the ground (I know some will disagree)
- we have just been relegated when 18 months ago we were 4th in League 1 and for some minutes on Boxing Day were even 2nd.
- we have witnessed what looks like some poor decisions from our leaders in the past regarding the appointment of managers.
- we continue to see other clubs who many think should be below us in the football pyramid rise above us and give the appearance of being run in a better way to us. This leads to even more frustration.
- we sold our star striker, never replaced him and went down. It’s happened too often, we’re tired of it happening and those above not doing anything about it. Frustration again.
And when this is compounded by the Covid situation where we haven’t even seen our team since we beat Sunderland 2-0 eighteen months ago and walked out of the ground on a high, it’s not surprising really. To be honest it’s been sh*** since Christmas ‘19 and our owner seemed unable to make the decisions to halt the slide. So no wonder this place reflects the general feeling. Like Hugo, I’ve no idea what to do but I will certainly continue to be careful what I say and take responsibility for what I say and if I disagree with anyone will try and explain why and try and remain respectful to someone who may have a different pov.
UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 17:10:53 GMT
Technically maybe not. But if not November, December, it’ll happen at some point. He’s a ticking time bomb. Yep you’re probably right on that but on the court cases nothing is inevitable. Especially since none of us here have access to everything that the courts will be seeing. Only assumptions and bias can lead anyone to be so confident in an outcome - whether that be guilty or not guilty on either count. |
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Post by cockergas on Jul 29, 2021 17:49:15 GMT
could should would, I can see how it can be read either way, however the fact it was in the Barton ‘In or Out’ thread and aimed at those who had voted “in” makes it clear in my mind that it is reference to Barton. Well it is in reference to Barton but it is in relation to Barton in a potential future scenario not now. The Barton in/out thread gave 3 options: - stays in - must leave - innocent until proven guilty The inclusion of innocent until proven guilty gives us information about the other two options in that it now asks us to think of them as absolutes i.e. "stays in no matter what" and "must leave no matter what" rather than "stays for now unless proven guilty" and "must leave now but we'll look silly if found not guilty". Roverdrive is asking those who have voted stays in i.e. the ones saying he must stay no matter what and not innocent until proven guilty why they would say stays in no matter what when there is a possibility that he could be a convicted wife beater. All seems perfectly reasonable to me. . I hate these polls and think they achieve nothing. The title of this one was Barton in/out, those preferring to let the legal process run its course could easily have selected in, in error. I certainly feel that is the case as I don’t think anyone on here wants Barton to stay if he is found guilty That said RD could have approached it in a less confrontational manner. For example, “Guys, those who have selected “in” do you realise you have voted for Barton to stay after he has been found guilty, is that what you really want?” Sometimes we need to read what we are about to post, and then think about how it might be interpreted. Anyway that’s it from me now on the subject, let’s just try and be civil, we are all GAS at the end of the day. |
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 29, 2021 19:07:46 GMT
Getting rid of Barton, although terrible timing, not great for all the players and coaches whove come in and inevitably expensive, would absolutely be in the best interests of the club It’s better timing now than in November or December for sure. It’s inevitable he’ll be found guilty for one or both of those charges. I reckon the club know he’s going down and are waiting for the verdict to be able to sack him without having to pay compensation. You ve obviously never been to court, you think FA cup results are odd, he might be found not guilty on one, and no evidence offered on the other. Wael has let him have full control of project restart and to sack him now would be madness, and joey will have to be financially compensated. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jul 29, 2021 19:42:05 GMT
See we lost ANOTHER long term respected member You got to wonder why Getting rid of Barton, although terrible timing, not great for all the players and coaches whove come in and inevitably expensive, would absolutely be in the best interests of the club It’s better timing now than in November or December for sure. It’s inevitable he’ll be found guilty for one or both of those charges. I reckon the club know he’s going down and are waiting for the verdict to be able to sack him without having to pay compensation. You ve obviously never been to court, you think FA cup results are odd, he might be found not guilty on one, and no evidence offered on the other. Wael has let him have full control of project restart and to sack him now would be madness and illegal. Sacking of an employee (whether wrongful or not) is not a criminal offence and therefore by definition is not illegal. |
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Post by LJG on Jul 29, 2021 19:48:34 GMT
Getting rid of Barton, although terrible timing, not great for all the players and coaches whove come in and inevitably expensive, would absolutely be in the best interests of the club It’s better timing now than in November or December for sure. It’s inevitable he’ll be found guilty for one or both of those charges. I reckon the club know he’s going down and are waiting for the verdict to be able to sack him without having to pay compensation. You ve obviously never been to court, you think FA cup results are odd, he might be found not guilty on one, and no evidence offered on the other. Wael has let him have full control of project restart and to sack him now would be madness and illegal. Not illegal and this clown should never have been allowed to bring his cronies in. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 29, 2021 20:18:10 GMT
You ve obviously never been to court, you think FA cup results are odd, he might be found not guilty on one, and no evidence offered on the other. Wael has let him have full control of project restart and to sack him now would be madness and illegal. Not illegal and this clown should never have been allowed to bring his cronies in. We couldn’t sack him specifically for this alleged offence before he’s found guilty but of course we could sack him for not being any good . That’ll be costly though with a contract I’m guessing is 2 yrs . Wait to Dec and if he’s found guilty we could probably terminate his contract at no cost . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 20:39:09 GMT
Bottom Line, *Purely on the monetary and football side* regardless of the legalities of sacking him now over leaving it until December, is a no brainer in terms of compensation, he has to stay until the verdict. Then he either goes with or without a payoff. The way I look at it their are at least two worst teams than us in the league this season, This should mean again purely Football and Monetary we should have no worries about relegation.
Its the other off field issues that needs resolving and a lot of that is out of our hands.
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Post by cj on Jul 29, 2021 21:04:12 GMT
I don’t think it’s the criticism that some are at odds with , I think it’s his means of expressing his opinion that sometimes come acrosss as ‘yobbish ‘ which maybe I’m delusional ) I wouldn’t expect from a moderator . exactly this, “vile thug” “wife beater” etc, don’t think it’s needed. What also gets me is that if you say let the legal system take its course, innocent until proven guilty, you are branded delusional and a pro Barton(ist). To be fair, when you see his entire history with violence, "vile thug" is being polite! The "wife beater" remark has obviously already been explained by LJG. |
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Post by cj on Jul 29, 2021 21:20:38 GMT
Well the issue of domestic violence is clearly a very emotive one. You don't know what the individual's life experience is of that. I struggle to see how having a strong and vociferous opposition to such a thing could be unhealthy. Quite the opposite in fact. If a person has an equally strong support of domestic violence that they want to rebut what Roverdrive has said I'd be interested (though disgusted) to hear it. the whole purpose of the thread is about members of the forum leaving, my point is that it’s hardly surprising when they are referred to as “filth”. No one is condoning or supporting domestic violence and if they did I would expect them to have an immediate ban, but the fact is Barton is not a convicted wife beater, not yet anyway. Roverdrive should be able to get his view across without insulting everyone who has a slightly different view to him. You are right about the purpose of this thread is about members leaving. It is sad when people feel the need to quit. It is nice of the author of this thread to acknowledge the situation of members leaving. Unfortunately, i'm just a tad vexed that SOME of the same people who are upset about these members leaving, didn't care when other members were leaving in February after raising concerns about JB's appointment at the club. They were called Sh1!heads (far worse than being called "filth"). You actually had members telling these people to water off to BS3 amongst other unkind gestures. And they laughed when members said they were leaving because of it.
You have uproar from some on this thread because some have chosen to leave due to 1 particular mod. There was no uproar, no anything in fact - apart from further ridicule, from abusing bullies back in February. I know which is worse! But it's not a competition of course and it is sad when members leave for whatever reason.
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Post by Gassy on Jul 30, 2021 5:28:26 GMT
the whole purpose of the thread is about members of the forum leaving, my point is that it’s hardly surprising when they are referred to as “filth”. No one is condoning or supporting domestic violence and if they did I would expect them to have an immediate ban, but the fact is Barton is not a convicted wife beater, not yet anyway. Roverdrive should be able to get his view across without insulting everyone who has a slightly different view to him. You are right about the purpose of this thread is about members leaving. It is sad when people feel the need to quit. It is nice of the author of this thread to acknowledge the situation of members leaving. Unfortunately, i'm just a tad vexed that SOME of the same people who are upset about these members leaving, didn't care when other members were leaving in February after raising concerns about JB's appointment at the club. They were called Sh1!heads (far worse than being called "filth"). You actually had members telling these people to P?!s off to BS3 amongst other unkind gestures. And they laughed when members said they were leaving because of it.
You have uproar from some on this thread because some have chosen to leave due to 1 particular mod. There was no uproar, no anything in fact - apart from further ridicule, from abusing bullies back in February. I know which is worse! But it's not a competition of course and it is sad when members leave for whatever reason.
Sorry, just to clarify the end part there. It is my understanding that Tilly has not deleted her account due to any particular poster. |
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Post by gregsy on Jul 30, 2021 5:52:27 GMT
I was wondering what happened to philbemmygas as he hasn't posted for ages.... Turns out he's been on only 19 hours ago.... Hope you're keeping well buddy.... |
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Post by Marshy on Jul 30, 2021 6:06:32 GMT
I was wondering what happened to philbemmygas as he hasn't posted for ages.... Turns out he's been on only 19 hours ago.... Hope you're keeping well buddy.... He’s probably been tucking into the warm real ale all summer and who could blame him with what’s been going on! 😁. |
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Jul 30, 2021 7:28:59 GMT
The rate at which Gasheads are leaving or being banned from this place is crazy, if more go it will end up being called "Queenchat" They’re going down faster than Linda Lovelace. or Dale Winton. |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jul 30, 2021 9:39:13 GMT
I think a lot of people think I have it in for mods - I really don't - I've met Hugo and, as I know where he lives, he will confirm I'm not a bad old stick. But - to me, the forum is not owned by the few and is owned by all of us. The process here does not seem very democratic - Tilly said in one of her posts that she asked to be one. One of the few female members that regularly posts and was, for what ever reason, not permitted to join this fine band of men. And that's the point - Who decides ? It has been since the start the same old names who hold office without any known process for the role. There have been disagreements with mods and when this happens they stand together or, like Cesar, dish out punishment without even consulting each other let alone the forum. I guess what I am saying is that this is not a democratic place. Does it need policing ? of course but accountability and transparency should be part of this forum. I respect that Midsomer, and you’re correct none of us own it. This platform is all of ours, which is why it hurts when Tilly or 4thusername decide to call it a day, because it feels like part of the forum goes with them. I’m genuinely upset about it because I admired them both as posters. It also upsets me that there are suggestions that this place is going down hill. Trust me I’d do everything to make that not happen because I spend a lot of time on here and enjoy the place and the people on it. Back in the day when this place was new, a few of the original regulars were entrusted to mod the forum. Over time a few of them stepped down or decided to stop posting and to replace them, we’d either have an application process or send invites to a few posters after discussion between mods to ask them whether they’d consider moderating. I received a message about becoming a mod about 18 months ago, I wasn’t sure about it at first because sometimes it feels as if being a mod on here places a target on your back, but I accepted because I had previous experience moderating on other sites and I was happy to help out. Now if there was some democratic way of moderating the forum, believe me I’d be in favour of it. However the truth is we are always busy dealing with incidents on here and if we started a poll every time we had to decided on something, it would detract massively from what this forum is about, our passion for Bristol Rovers. The mods we do have are diverse in both opinions and age and I feel constitute a good sample of the posters on here. I respect each and every one of them, they’re all great people. I’ve supported RoverDrive because having modded with him for a year and a half and having interacted with him on here even longer, I know that he’s a nice bloke who’s secured a bit of an unfair rap in my opinion. If he clearly did something that I didn’t agree with, I’d speak up about it, I promise. To me, it’s no surprise that we’ve had fallings out on here over the past 6-12 months. Society as a whole has become very polarised about a number of topics and with Joey Barton being the controversy that he is, that brings an added layer of debate to this place. I sincerely hope we can get back on track when the season begins with the footy and the Barton situation being resolved one way or another. Further feedback is always welcomed. Great post ~ me and Riverdrive have exchanged messages and everything is good. I think the pressure of what has happened to our club has made many of us very emotional and have vented out on here which is crazy as we are all Gasheads. I've had a long look at my recent contributions on this forum and can see times where I should not have posted. I like it when we have a lot of laughs and I realise opinions differ but all opinions need to be respected. I don't dislike any mod it is necessary and they give freely of their time. I guess being an old punk it comes natural to be a bit of a rebel. Plus the name Mod reminds me of the days when I was young when they were the sworn enemy. Maybe rebrand as knights of the forum 🤓 |
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Post by cj on Jul 30, 2021 21:29:06 GMT
You are right about the purpose of this thread is about members leaving. It is sad when people feel the need to quit. It is nice of the author of this thread to acknowledge the situation of members leaving. Unfortunately, i'm just a tad vexed that SOME of the same people who are upset about these members leaving, didn't care when other members were leaving in February after raising concerns about JB's appointment at the club. They were called Sh1!heads (far worse than being called "filth"). You actually had members telling these people to P?!s off to BS3 amongst other unkind gestures. And they laughed when members said they were leaving because of it.
You have uproar from some on this thread because some have chosen to leave due to 1 particular mod. There was no uproar, no anything in fact - apart from further ridicule, from abusing bullies back in February. I know which is worse! But it's not a competition of course and it is sad when members leave for whatever reason.
Sorry, just to clarify the end part there. It is my understanding that Tilly has not deleted her account due to any particular poster. I didn't mention Tilly by name. I said 'some' as speaking generally  |
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