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Post by axegas on Aug 15, 2021 20:13:45 GMT
Thought this topic deserved it’s own thread.
Fighters now in presidential palace.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 21:28:03 GMT
Just a general question on this - Ok, not a PC comment to make I know..but would this have happened under Trump's watch?
20 years of fighting and many lives lost, and Biden creates this mess.Im not saying the withdrawal is totally his fault, but the way we have just let these thugs take over Kabul is shocking.
Weak..pure Weak leadership.Never would have happened under Trump,but he was of course the man that was going to start WW3!!
But Biden was the man that let a bunch of thugs undo 20 years of hard work and loss of life and pussed out to bully's.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 15, 2021 21:35:39 GMT
Just a general question on this - Ok, not a PC comment to make I know..but would this have happened under Trump's watch? 20 years of fighting and many lives lost, and Biden creates this mess.Im not saying the withdrawal is totally his fault, but the way we have just let these thugs take over Kabul is shocking. Weak..pure Weak leadership.Never would have happened under Trump,but he was of course the man that was going to start WW3!! But Biden was the man that let a bunch of thugs undo 20 years of hard work and loss of life and pussed out to bully's. All good apart from the fact he was following Trumps plan to withdraw. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 21:48:48 GMT
Just a general question on this - Ok, not a PC comment to make I know..but would this have happened under Trump's watch? 20 years of fighting and many lives lost, and Biden creates this mess.Im not saying the withdrawal is totally his fault, but the way we have just let these thugs take over Kabul is shocking. Weak..pure Weak leadership.Never would have happened under Trump,but he was of course the man that was going to start WW3!! But Biden was the man that let a bunch of thugs undo 20 years of hard work and loss of life and pussed out to bully's. All good apart from the fact he was following Trumps plan to withdraw. But the reaction towards this thing...Would Trump have let this happen? I understand it was Trump's withdrawal, but would he had just sat back and let these thugs undo 20 years of loss of life and fighting so easily..? Not a chance. |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 15, 2021 21:51:20 GMT
All good apart from the fact he was following Trumps plan to withdraw. But the reaction towards this thing...Would Trump have let this happen? I understand it was Trump's withdrawal, but would he had just sat back and let these thugs undo 20 years of loss of life and fighting so easily..? Not a chance. Well as it was the plan he signed and Biden was following, I guess so . |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Aug 15, 2021 22:04:39 GMT
Imagine if it was Corbyn in charge!!!
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 22:09:01 GMT
But the reaction towards this thing...Would Trump have let this happen? I understand it was Trump's withdrawal, but would he had just sat back and let these thugs undo 20 years of loss of life and fighting so easily..? Not a chance. Well as it was the plan he signed and Biden was following, I guess so . No way would Trump had just let this happen if he was in Biden's position of today. People knocked him for being to intense in these situations,which was BS - he was strong just look at North Korea. But at least he had the balls to confront them.Whats happened in Afghanistan in the past few days is a disgrace, nothing to do with Trump. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 22:23:27 GMT
Obama let ISIS take over Syria and Biden let the Taliban take over Afghanistan. Don’t ever think that was by mistake.
How can anyone excuse themselves of responsibility just five weeks after confidently stating it wouldn’t happen? They can’t.
A lot of anti-Trumper’s are saying this looks bad and can’t defend Biden. This is worse than Saigon…arguably the worse, legacy defining international clusterfuck of its kind in US history.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 22:27:52 GMT
Trump still suspended from Twitter. Taliban leader all good, though 👍🏼
Meet me half way...
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Post by yattongas on Aug 15, 2021 22:28:39 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 15, 2021 22:31:04 GMT
Well as it was the plan he signed and Biden was following, I guess so . No way would Trump had just let this happen if he was in Biden's position of today. People knocked him for being to intense in these situations,which was BS - he was strong just look at North Korea. But at least he had the balls to confront them.Whats happened in Afghanistan in the past few days is a disgrace, nothing to do with Trump. Trump wouldn't have been able to do anything about it either, it all happened so quickly. The State Department thought Kabul could fall within 90 days as a worse case scenario, it's gone quicker than even the most pessimistic thought possible. He'd have reneged on his own deal which would have meant rather than the Taliban not targeting US and other coalition forces, it would have meant more Americans dying, something which prompted him to get the deal in the first place. To think Trump would or could have done any different is, I'm afraid, purely wishful thinking. Whether the Taliban would have acted so decisively, that's something which open to debate. Either way, same result. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 22:38:43 GMT
To think Trump had the middle east under control. Regional peace agreements being signed.ISIS destroyed, Taliban and Al Qaida were on the run.No money was being made by the war machine that profits from endless wars.
But Biden is there man.👍
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 15, 2021 22:52:47 GMT
It'll be interesting to see whether the Taliban revert to it's previous style or whether they stick to the agreement. This piece by John Simpson is interesting: "Sharia law in its fiercest forms was in operation everywhere, with public executions, stonings and whippings commonplace. Gangs of vigilantes hung out on street corners, attacking men who showed their ankles or wore any form of Western clothing. Women only ventured out if they had written permission from men, and of course had to wear the all-encompassing burka. The Taliban minister of health, Mullah Balouch, complained to me that the International Red Cross refused his request to provide surgeons to cut off the hands and feet of convicted thieves, so he had to do the job personally; though he seemed to quite enjoy it. Working for television was a nightmare, because taking the image of any living creature was expressly forbidden on religious grounds. Bookshops were regularly ransacked for illustrations, and any guilty bookseller was whipped." www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-58224559 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 15, 2021 22:54:24 GMT
To think Trump had the middle east under control. Regional peace agreements being signed.ISIS destroyed, Taliban and Al Qaida were on the run.No money was being made by the war machine that profits from endless wars. But Biden is there man.👍 He didn't have it under control. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Aug 15, 2021 22:55:13 GMT
America will only re-intervene in Afghan if oil is discovered.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 22:55:34 GMT
To think Trump had the middle east under control. Regional peace agreements being signed.ISIS destroyed, Taliban and Al Qaida were on the run.No money was being made by the war machine that profits from endless wars. But Biden is there man.👍 He didn't have it under control. Really?? Based on what.. |
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Post by axegas on Aug 15, 2021 23:00:35 GMT
Well as it was the plan he signed and Biden was following, I guess so . No way would Trump had just let this happen if he was in Biden's position of today. People knocked him for being to intense in these situations,which was BS - he was strong just look at North Korea. But at least he had the balls to confront them.Whats happened in Afghanistan in the past few days is a disgrace, nothing to do with Trump. If anything Trump was more intent on withdrawing US troops from overseas stations. Hence his plan to withdraw US troops from Germany and Belgium, a decision that’s been recently partially reversed. You’ve got to look at the political situation in America, heavy support for the US withdrawal in Afghanistan, especially among the Republican Party. Trump is/was a populist so go figure. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 15, 2021 23:04:49 GMT
CNN 🤣🖕💤🤠🤪 has just Twitted that Biden is excepted to address the nation on the Afghanistan situation in the next few days ...
Honestly....
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Post by axegas on Aug 15, 2021 23:06:34 GMT
He didn't have it under control. Really?? Based on what.. Iran acting up early in 2020, seizing ships and so forth. Syrian Civil war which Russia stepped in to fill the power vacuum after the US declined to. IS seizing key cities in Iraq. No US president has ever managed to get the Middle East under control. Republican or Democrat. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 15, 2021 23:26:37 GMT
Iran acting up early in 2020, seizing ships and so forth. Syrian Civil war which Russia stepped in to fill the power vacuum after the US declined to. IS seizing key cities in Iraq. No US president has ever managed to get the Middle East under control. Republican or Democrat. Precisely, add to that the ripping up of the Iran nuclear deal, pulling out of Syria leaving the Kurds, moving the American Embassy in Isreal to Jerusalem. The Israeli Palestinian peace deal involved no one other than Israel and the US. |
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