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Post by yattongas on May 9, 2021 11:01:39 GMT
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Post by yattongas on May 9, 2021 11:03:21 GMT
Of course polls show an indication of how people feel about independence, otherwise nobody would bother doing polls 😂👍
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May 9, 2021 11:04:43 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 11:04:43 GMT
Of course polls show an indication of how people feel about independence, otherwise nobody would bother doing polls 😂👍 Let's agree to disagree 😆😆 |
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Post by yattongas on May 9, 2021 11:16:22 GMT
Of course polls show an indication of how people feel about independence, otherwise nobody would bother doing polls 😂👍 Let's agree to disagree 😆😆 No , I want to argue . 😉 |
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May 9, 2021 11:46:56 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2021 11:46:56 GMT
Let's agree to disagree 😆😆 No , I want to argue . 😉 £10 an argument |
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May 9, 2021 11:59:57 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 11:59:57 GMT
Let's agree to disagree 😆😆 No , I want to argue . 😉 I'm off to the pub we can recommence later if I'm sober😃😃 |
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May 9, 2021 12:07:34 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 12:07:34 GMT
Haha depends who's winning |
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May 9, 2021 12:51:13 GMT
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Post by oldie on May 9, 2021 12:51:13 GMT
Haha depends who's winning For us oldies |
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May 9, 2021 13:02:09 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 13:02:09 GMT
Haha depends who's winning For us oldies Ah forgot that one what a brilliant clip |
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Post by Gassy on May 9, 2021 18:22:50 GMT
It’s massively a Boris issue , he’s despised north of the border. I’m amazed you think it’s not an issue . Independence is not an issue that has happened in the last 3 years is it ?,it doesn't matter who the current PM is and from what party we we're always going to come to this point,all Tory PMs are despised in Scotland and they have little time for Labour ones either,look they won't vote yes or no because of Boris they will in the main consider a full range of issues and vote accordingly. Tbf, it's completely his issue. Boris said he'd keep the UK together - the way it's going, I'm not sure he can achieve that. He was also the PM who negotiated the Brexit deal & influenced many to vote leave, so no matter what happens - it is very much a Boris issue. I'm all for Scotland having another referendum though, the landscape has changed so much since the last referendum - the people deserve another say. But let's say Scotland get that referendum and vote leave. If we thought it was tough to leave the EU, what would it be like to leave the UK? To add to that, they want to 'rejoin' the EU right? Would that even be possible? The border would be unmanageable, surely? In theory the UK could just block any membership by playing hardball with the border, meaning the EU wouldn't accept their application. The process from referendum to joining the EU could be 20+ years IMO |
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 19:47:02 GMT
Independence is not an issue that has happened in the last 3 years is it ?,it doesn't matter who the current PM is and from what party we we're always going to come to this point,all Tory PMs are despised in Scotland and they have little time for Labour ones either,look they won't vote yes or no because of Boris they will in the main consider a full range of issues and vote accordingly. Tbf, it's completely his issue. Boris said he'd keep the UK together - the way it's going, I'm not sure he can achieve that. He was also the PM who negotiated the Brexit deal & influenced many to vote leave, so no matter what happens - it is very much a Boris issue. I'm all for Scotland having another referendum though, the landscape has changed so much since the last referendum - the people deserve another say. But let's say Scotland get that referendum and vote leave. If we thought it was tough to leave the EU, what would it be like to leave the UK? To add to that, they want to 'rejoin' the EU right? Would that even be possible? The border would be unmanageable, surely? In theory the UK could just block any membership by playing hardball with the border, meaning the EU wouldn't accept their application. The process from referendum to joining the EU could be 20+ years IMO If asked he's bound to say he would keep the UK together no British PM has said anything different,the Brexit vote was 2 years away when the first referendum took place and 45% voted to leave so there was a considerable independence movement long before Boris became PM,whilst Brexit has undoubtedly driven more into the leave camp the number is relatively small around 5% and I would contend that we would be at this point sooner or later anyway as the margins are small. As far as an independent Scotland rejoining the EU you are right about the border however,as I posted earlier Spain will veteo any attempt as it would create a dangerous precedent for Catalan which they are vehemently opposed to. |
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Post by Gassy on May 9, 2021 19:53:50 GMT
Tbf, it's completely his issue. Boris said he'd keep the UK together - the way it's going, I'm not sure he can achieve that. He was also the PM who negotiated the Brexit deal & influenced many to vote leave, so no matter what happens - it is very much a Boris issue. I'm all for Scotland having another referendum though, the landscape has changed so much since the last referendum - the people deserve another say. But let's say Scotland get that referendum and vote leave. If we thought it was tough to leave the EU, what would it be like to leave the UK? To add to that, they want to 'rejoin' the EU right? Would that even be possible? The border would be unmanageable, surely? In theory the UK could just block any membership by playing hardball with the border, meaning the EU wouldn't accept their application. The process from referendum to joining the EU could be 20+ years IMO If asked he's bound to say he would keep the UK together no British PM has said anything different,the Brexit vote was 2 years away when the first referendum took place and 45% voted to leave so there was a considerable independence movement long before Boris became PM,whilst Brexit has undoubtedly driven more into the leave camp the number is relatively small around 5% and I would contend that we would be at this point sooner or later anyway as the margins are small. As far as an independent Scotland rejoining the EU you are right about the border however,as I posted earlier Spain will veteo any attempt as it would create a dangerous precedent for Catalan which they are vehemently opposed to. But it wasn't if asked though, he actively campaigned that he was the PM to keep the UK together. Stating Corbyn would see the Union break up. I'd agree with you if asked, but he went well out of his way to make the point on numerous occasions. You're right though, the margins are small and actually if you look how many actually changed their mind following Brexit - that is a small change. However, I would still agree that this entire thing is very much a Boris issue. On Spain - in theory you're right. But Scotland leaving the UK isn't comparable to Spain & Catalunya or France & Monaco - IMO. |
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May 9, 2021 20:03:56 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 20:03:56 GMT
If asked he's bound to say he would keep the UK together no British PM has said anything different,the Brexit vote was 2 years away when the first referendum took place and 45% voted to leave so there was a considerable independence movement long before Boris became PM,whilst Brexit has undoubtedly driven more into the leave camp the number is relatively small around 5% and I would contend that we would be at this point sooner or later anyway as the margins are small. As far as an independent Scotland rejoining the EU you are right about the border however,as I posted earlier Spain will veteo any attempt as it would create a dangerous precedent for Catalan which they are vehemently opposed to. But it wasn't if asked though, he actively campaigned that he was the PM to keep the UK together. Stating Corbyn would see the Union break up. I'd agree with you if asked, but he went well out of his way to make the point on numerous occasions. You're right though, the margins are small and actually if you look how many actually changed their mind following Brexit - that is a small change. However, I would still agree that this entire thing is very much a Boris issue. On Spain - in theory you're right. But Scotland leaving the UK isn't comparable to Spain & Catalunya or France & Monaco - IMO. Time will tell I guess,personally I would like them to have Indy 2 now not when Sturgeon wants it otherwise it will dominate politics for the remainder of this Parliament and the next and we need to focus on rebuilding the economy post pandemic rather than endless navel gazing. |
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May 9, 2021 20:33:35 GMT
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Post by Gassy on May 9, 2021 20:33:35 GMT
But it wasn't if asked though, he actively campaigned that he was the PM to keep the UK together. Stating Corbyn would see the Union break up. I'd agree with you if asked, but he went well out of his way to make the point on numerous occasions. You're right though, the margins are small and actually if you look how many actually changed their mind following Brexit - that is a small change. However, I would still agree that this entire thing is very much a Boris issue. On Spain - in theory you're right. But Scotland leaving the UK isn't comparable to Spain & Catalunya or France & Monaco - IMO. Time will tell I guess,personally I would like them to have Indy 2 now not when Sturgeon wants it otherwise it will dominate politics for the remainder of this Parliament and the next and we need to focus on rebuilding the economy post pandemic rather than endless navel gazing. Yeah not looking forward to Ian Blackford banging on every week in parliament about independence. Is this Sturgeons last term in power? Seeming as she’s advocating for a referendum “after the pandemic is over” - I wonder how she’d feel about a referendum not during her time. At what point do we even say the pandemic is/isn’t over anyway? |
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Post by yattongas on May 9, 2021 20:45:50 GMT
Time will tell I guess,personally I would like them to have Indy 2 now not when Sturgeon wants it otherwise it will dominate politics for the remainder of this Parliament and the next and we need to focus on rebuilding the economy post pandemic rather than endless navel gazing. Yeah not looking forward to Ian Blackford banging on every week in parliament about independence. Is this Sturgeons last term in power? Seeming as she’s advocating for a referendum “after the pandemic is over” - I wonder how she’d feel about a referendum not during her time. At what point do we even say the pandemic is/isn’t over anyway? I don’t think there is a time limit |
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May 9, 2021 20:50:35 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 20:50:35 GMT
Time will tell I guess,personally I would like them to have Indy 2 now not when Sturgeon wants it otherwise it will dominate politics for the remainder of this Parliament and the next and we need to focus on rebuilding the economy post pandemic rather than endless navel gazing. Yeah not looking forward to Ian Blackford banging on every week in parliament about independence. Is this Sturgeons last term in power? Seeming as she’s advocating for a referendum “after the pandemic is over” - I wonder how she’d feel about a referendum not during her time. At what point do we even say the pandemic is/isn’t over anyway? Ah Blackford a right windbag. I think Sturgeon will stay in power as long as she can,she's a Salmond clone and loves it. Her view of the pandemic being over is when the health situation is back to "normal" whereas the government is working on the basis of it being the economy back to normal. She will want it on her watch to shout it from the roof of Bute House. |
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Post by Gassy on May 9, 2021 20:57:14 GMT
Just so I understand your points correctly.. There is no limit on how long she can stay in power?
Christ.
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May 9, 2021 21:01:09 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 9, 2021 21:01:09 GMT
Just so I understand your points correctly.. There is no limit on how long she can stay in power? Christ. Fraid not😣😣 |
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Post by yattongas on May 9, 2021 21:09:31 GMT
Just so I understand your points correctly.. There is no limit on how long she can stay in power? Christ. Fraid not😣😣 When they leave you won’t have to worry about her or Blackford again. 😉 |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on May 9, 2021 22:02:07 GMT
The union won’t last another 10 years, it’ll be England and Wales by 2030.
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