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Post by alanrg on Jan 16, 2021 23:26:40 GMT
No way was Joe Day 2 blame 4 the goal
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Post by yaz on Jan 17, 2021 2:33:13 GMT
Sounds like it was a poor game today and they nicked it. Day seems like a good keeper. That was his first league appearance for us and hopefully he'll soon develop a better understanding with his defence. We were also missing our captain, who will be back Tuesday. Let's remember that Westbrooke had COVID and may not be feeling 100% yet. Oztumer and Nicholson - arguably our 2 most creative players - should be back in the squad next match. Ayunga has made a big step up and been out injured so needs a few more opportunities before he's written off. We could really use another striker though, even if it's on loan. If we can win a couple of our games in hand, things will look a lot rosier. I didn't watch today, but iFollow has usually been decent for me. Its great that the club get a lot of the money from it. Seeing as it's unlikely we'll have fans at The Mem this season, and Wael seems to have us financially secure, would it be worth investing in a better cameraman? Or a couple more cameras for different angles? Not sure if the club has any influence over the coverage I can't understand why Ayunga was played v Sheff Utd then rested v Wimbledon as surely he would have found it easier v the latter. Westbrooke, effort wise, has been the same all season, I can never understand how central midfield players get to this level w/o being able to tackle. Westbrook; or cross the ball or take corners or free kicks. If you look at his performance over the whole season with crossing and set pieces, I would say on a percentage basis it has been very poor. Yet he is always our go to? He also cannot tackle and when the ball is given to him and he is not sure of his surroundings, he has a knack of just kicking the ball anywhere. Why does he always have another player with him at corners when it is obvious that he will not be used. Waste of a body that can be used elsewhere. Grant is very poor; he cannot head the ball and his first touch, for a midfielder is atrocious. I could not work out what he was doing on the right touchline when McCormick went off. Also, his crossing is very poor; he finds it difficult to lift the ball? And he was the main culprit for the goal! When Day had the ball, it invariably went to Kilgour then in most cases to Grant then back to Kilgour then back to Day. Tippy tappy football back again? Day has been very good for us so far! Just needs to not hit the ball so far when kicking as it mostly went to their goalie. We did not miss Ehmer although they attacked a lot down their left, especially in the 2nd half. But that seemed to be because they had 3/4 players there. I personally rate Ehmer as an average player and have not been impressed by him at all. I would prefer a fit Little there at right back and Hare in the middle on the right. Leahy and Hare had a good game and Baldwin was OK but needs to pass better. Midfield very poor apart from McCormick. Ayunga and Hanlan played as 2 separate strikers and did not link up at all. Generally, on average we seem to be a very weak L1 team; physically, ball control, passing, set pieces, heading, etc. Most of our players would struggle in L2 with a few exceptions. Very rarely do you see any natural flow; players play discretely and as individuals most of the time. It's going to be a long, hard season and from a physical point of view, I think there will be more injuries coming? We cannot just rely on 1 or 2 players to bail us out. Hopefully, we will pull off some good results but the next 3 games are away. We are doing ok away so the next 3 games could be a big pointer to whether we are going to stay in L1 or go down? As for the manager, there did not seem to be any urgency when we go behind. Formation changes? Maybe we are limited in the type of players we have as substitutes? A very poor game today similar to the Wimbledon game and again, against an average team. Referee was quite good although he could have booked a few more of their players. |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 17, 2021 4:16:50 GMT
I think that Ayunga had by far his best game for us yesterday. Grant is always a convenient scapegoat and is actually quite promising. I think that goal was due to an indecisiveness however that is prevalent among the squad. So often you see our players react slightly slower than opposition or are not quite on the same wavelength as each other. I think this is still a hangover from the Garner era and a sign of them not quite knowing their own games. When Oztumer plays we look a more cohesive unit because he is happy to step up and direct play. It’s no coincidence that Westbrooke looks a much better player when Oz is on the pitch. I think there is a lot more to come from this squad but a lot of them lack maturity. I thought Barrett also did ok when he came on.
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Post by CrispPusher on Jan 17, 2021 6:52:07 GMT
No way was Joe Day 2 blame 4 the goal Surely nobody is blaming Day are they? Tisdale must've been furious with the ghost or whoever's responsibility it was to defend the front post. Horrendous/comedic goal to concede. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 17, 2021 8:47:11 GMT
"As for the manager, there did not seem to be any urgency when we go behind. Formation changes? Maybe we are limited in the type of players we have as substitutes"
That's the bit I find baffling, it's almost as if BG's returned and if Plan A doesn't work i.e. hit it long to the two strikers, there's no Plan B. Why bring on Rodman with 2 minutes of normal time to go.
Tisdale's got a big week coming up, 3 tough looking away games and the need to start making transfer moves.
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Post by Quarters on Jan 17, 2021 9:43:44 GMT
I can't understand why Ayunga was played v Sheff Utd then rested v Wimbledon as surely he would have found it easier v the latter. Westbrooke, effort wise, has been the same all season, I can never understand how central midfield players get to this level w/o being able to tackle. Westbrook; or cross the ball or take corners or free kicks. If you look at his performance over the whole season with crossing and set pieces, I would say on a percentage basis it has been very poor. Yet he is always our go to? He also cannot tackle and when the ball is given to him and he is not sure of his surroundings, he has a knack of just kicking the ball anywhere. Why does he always have another player with him at corners when it is obvious that he will not be used. Waste of a body that can be used elsewhere. Grant is very poor; he cannot head the ball and his first touch, for a midfielder is atrocious. I could not work out what he was doing on the right touchline when McCormick went off. Also, his crossing is very poor; he finds it difficult to lift the ball? And he was the main culprit for the goal! When Day had the ball, it invariably went to Kilgour then in most cases to Grant then back to Kilgour then back to Day. Tippy tappy football back again? Day has been very good for us so far! Just needs to not hit the ball so far when kicking as it mostly went to their goalie. We did not miss Ehmer although they attacked a lot down their left, especially in the 2nd half. But that seemed to be because they had 3/4 players there. I personally rate Ehmer as an average player and have not been impressed by him at all. I would prefer a fit Little there at right back and Hare in the middle on the right. Leahy and Hare had a good game and Baldwin was OK but needs to pass better. Midfield very poor apart from McCormick. Ayunga and Hanlan played as 2 separate strikers and did not link up at all. Generally, on average we seem to be a very weak L1 team; physically, ball control, passing, set pieces, heading, etc. Most of our players would struggle in L2 with a few exceptions. Very rarely do you see any natural flow; players play discretely and as individuals most of the time. It's going to be a long, hard season and from a physical point of view, I think there will be more injuries coming? We cannot just rely on 1 or 2 players to bail us out. Hopefully, we will pull off some good results but the next 3 games are away. We are doing ok away so the next 3 games could be a big pointer to whether we are going to stay in L1 or go down? As for the manager, there did not seem to be any urgency when we go behind. Formation changes? Maybe we are limited in the type of players we have as substitutes? A very poor game today similar to the Wimbledon game and again, against an average team. Referee was quite good although he could have booked a few more of their players. You cannot work out what Grant was doing on the right when Hare went off? After about 5 or 10 mins we went to 3 at the back with Grant playing on the right. How many headers did Grant make in his own area , yet you say he cannot head. You blame Westbrooke for dwelling on the ball, seemed more to do with lack of available passes. I agree he was not at his best yesterday. Remember we had 5 first choices missing yesterday as well. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jan 17, 2021 10:02:54 GMT
No way was Joe Day 2 blame 4 the goal Day must’ve called Keepers ball, otherwise I can’t see why Grant would leave it to go in like that. |
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Post by bluegas on Jan 17, 2021 10:13:16 GMT
"As for the manager, there did not seem to be any urgency when we go behind. Formation changes? Maybe we are limited in the type of players we have as substitutes" That's the bit I find baffling, it's almost as if BG's returned and if Plan A doesn't work i.e. hit it long to the two strikers, there's no Plan B. Why bring on Rodman with 2 minutes of normal time to go. Tisdale's got a big week coming up, 3 tough looking away games and the need to start making transfer moves. The commentators drew attention to it and it was pretty audible - Bowyer was bawling at his team all through the game. He encouraged them to a win. Tis by comparison remained very passive. OK, he's not that kind of manager, I get that. But some signs of urgency would be reassuring. |
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Post by clovis on Jan 17, 2021 10:24:49 GMT
The comment just above, by Quarters I think, is spot on. He was on the right side because that’s where he was told to play after the subs. I thought he did OK out there. He does a lot of tidying up in front of the back four as well. He’s unlikely to grace the Prem but he is a decent player at this level and seems to be improving.
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Post by TAGas on Jan 17, 2021 10:45:39 GMT
No way was Joe Day 2 blame 4 the goal Day must’ve called Keepers ball, otherwise I can’t see why Grant would leave it to go in like that. I wouldn't say is was the keepers fault has his job is to either come and claim in the air or wait for a shot/header to come in from the box. I think Grant has just left the near post and was in 2 minds whether to mark on the the free players or stay where he was. I always thought you keep the 2 full backs both on a post each and they don't leave until the danger is clear? My opinion of course and can be completely wrong 😄 |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 17, 2021 10:53:41 GMT
I haven't scrolled through thread (yet, will do after) as I don't want to be influenced. I just thought to post after slept on it.
Leading up to the match, I was optimistic. Rochdale managed to hit 4 in midweek against them, Accy had beaten them before that. We had put on a decent display v Sheffield United, our set piece play was threatening and I liked that Ehmer was not included with a credible orthodox replacement. I thought our starting line up looked balanced, both in mixture of youth and experience; and in players in correct positions. What we weren't balanced in was, form.
Day makes his 3rd debut in a week. A league, debut.... apart from a howler in him, I generally like his approach. 1 own goal, 1 deflected goal, 1 goal from corner, on each debut is relegation luck isn't it!?
Alfie captain. Hmmmm.... Heart instinctively likes that appointment, but Head says is that because there's no other realistic candidate. Both are potential worries. Especially when you're a few points away from relegation battle.
I liked his contribution though, and for me was in the mix for a man of match award.
We play 2 up front! Hallelujah! 2 bone fide strikers. A first, this season? Certainly never seriously explored and persevered under BG. Unfortunately, JA didn't have his best performance, but a raw product can be worked with. Hopefully a working progress.....but we
need a Brandon partner striker striking NOW.
Westbrook. He gets the gig because there's literally no one else in central midfield with a creative pass in them in our squad. Granted, some of his dead ball deliveries are scintillating, but in open play we have to rely on the crossing of Hare, Grant or Leahy. Zain did play a lovely through ball which got cut back in second half, but my main observation is he slows up play with picking his passes. It's a shame he was our only creative outlet, I would have brought Rodman on much earlier (for upson) as we were severely lacking in counter attacking options.
Our mid and forward line lacked pace. Tempo was slowed when we had the ball and our passing movement and basic technical abilities were poor and lacking moving forward. We were easy to defend against. That's credit to Charlton, who went about their business efficiently and could have easily been 1 or 2 up in first half save squandered chances.
A disappointing day. I thought we had some decent moves in us (McCormick chance) but we too hampered by an attack lacking pace and creativity. We desperately miss Oz, Nicholson, Daly..
Some tough matches approaching, we definitely need 1 or 2 new striking options at least. In Tis we trust, but Charlton are a good example of where you need to be to realistically compete physically at this level, and we are way off that atm..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 11:06:34 GMT
Why should anyone apologise for you being a shithead it was your choice? You’re not helping, you little rascal! Anyway back to the game: I thought we were a bit unlucky and worthy of a point, nothing in it really and a fluke goal decided it. So I’m not getting too down about it, we will be fine and comfortably survive. UTG! 🙏 that’s all we can do 😉 |
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Post by Big Jock on Jan 17, 2021 11:27:57 GMT
You win as a team an you lose as a team.
This team will get better as they bond an Tis puts his mark on them IMO.
He’ll not be so much finding faults but be lookin for remedies.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 17, 2021 11:35:48 GMT
"Some tough matches approaching, we definitely need 1 or 2 new striking options at least. In Tis we trust, but Charlton are a good example of where you need to be to realistically compete physically at this level, and we are way off that atm.."
Given we had Jaakola, Ozt & Nicko missing and only lost by one goal we could have stopped are we really way off? Assuming Nicko is fit soon all we really need is another striker, ideally also another winger and that elusive creative CM to replace Lines but that might be asking too much this window.
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Post by Quarters on Jan 17, 2021 11:48:44 GMT
"Some tough matches approaching, we definitely need 1 or 2 new striking options at least. In Tis we trust, but Charlton are a good example of where you need to be to realistically compete physically at this level, and we are way off that atm.." Given we had Jaakola, Ozt & Nicko missing and only lost by one goal we could have stopped are we really way off? Assuming Nicko is fit soon all we really need is another striker, ideally also another winger and that elusive creative CM to replace Lines but that might be asking too much this window. And Daly missing at the moment. At moment we lack players who can break thru lines, either with guile or pace. |
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Post by scottleroc on Jan 17, 2021 12:08:07 GMT
I’m concerned with what the new managers brings to the table. Play is slightly more pragmatic in trying to win a game but I’m just not convinced. He says he hasn’t been here long, fair enough, but that’s the same with all new managers at a club.
The BG plan was to bring in players with potential and coach them to be better, which I still believe he could have done. However, he couldn’t manage a game so right decision as most agree for him to go.
Problem is that PT seems to want players that are already ‘there’ and our more experienced players don’t seem to be there! I just can’t see what he is doing to improve things. It could be the players but a good manager finds a tune out of what he has.
As I say, I wasn’t a big fan of PT. Just because I didn’t see what he would bring but the alternatives were slim so perhaps the best of what was available.
Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong because would be great to have something positive to watch.
With all players back and a few new additions we should have enough to stay up but we all wanted more than that this season!
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Post by Big Jock on Jan 17, 2021 12:27:47 GMT
With all players back and a few new additions we should have enough to stay up but we all wanted more than that this season! and there in is th problem pal, we can’t all have more, well not straight away anyway. Everyone wants ta live on top of th mountain, but all th happiness an growth occurs while yer climbing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 12:43:28 GMT
Day must’ve called Keepers ball, otherwise I can’t see why Grant would leave it to go in like that. I wouldn't say is was the keepers fault has his job is to either come and claim in the air or wait for a shot/header to come in from the box. I think Grant has just left the near post and was in 2 minds whether to mark on the the free players or stay where he was. I always thought you keep the 2 full backs both on a post each and they don't leave until the danger is clear? My opinion of course and can be completely wrong 😄 If you play a man for man marking system instead of zonal then having a player sticking to each post will leave players unmarked. A lot of teams either don’t bother or just cover one post, usually the front where the player will also be responsible for attacking the ball if it is going to be short. I’ve not watched the replays but initially thought Grant just lost his bearings a bit. A silly mistake that was a bit freakish, unlikely to happen again. Shame it came in a game where our two most creative players were missing and any opposition goal was likely to mean a defeat. When we have everyone fit and available I think we will be fine under PT and if he manages to get in a good striker during this window we could move well up the table. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 17, 2021 14:07:55 GMT
Given we're now playing 3 games a week will we ever have everyone fit, even just travailing to Crewe, Oxford and Peterborough seems a tough week, traveling wise, without playing football when you get there.
Perhaps we should go all out for the first two games and then just stick the 11 men still standing behind the ball next Saturday?
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Post by helpliner on Jan 17, 2021 14:16:00 GMT
Which week are we playing three games?
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