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Post by peterparker on Jan 15, 2021 10:39:52 GMT
And so, it begins. I’m actually pleasantly surprised it took them a full 14 days for them to start chipping away at workers rights “They need to market the workhouses as "sovereignty-houses" to get the electorate excited“. Quite. So, let me get this right: You work ovetime for which you get paid, but the EU ruledyou then had to given holiday pay for the overtime hours you’d worked and already been paid for? No wonder EU companies have trouble being competitive. Seems like the economics of the mad house to me. How could anyone justify that? I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 15, 2021 10:42:28 GMT
So, let me get this right: You work ovetime for which you get paid, but the EU ruledyou then had to given holiday pay for the overtime hours you’d worked and already been paid for? No wonder EU companies have trouble being competitive. Seems like the economics of the mad house to me. How could anyone justify that? I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. You mean British courts told the EU what to do?🤫 |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 15, 2021 11:39:17 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 15, 2021 11:50:25 GMT
Something affecting my area is the French blanket ban on changes to UK policies for French residents.
Essentially if there are any changes, such as premiums paid, to UK based pension policies for those residing in France then it must be processed in line with French law.
The impact is still being assessed at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 12:58:22 GMT
And rightly so. The legislation was enacted but gave the right of the individual to opt out. Surely that is right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 14:07:14 GMT
And rightly so. The legislation was enacted but gave the right of the individual to opt out. Surely that is right? Just adding some balance really. The brexit amazing / evil thing is reactionary when you think about it, no one is really looking at the nuances of it, it has been extremely simplified. Not having a go at anyone, it's how we are taught to behave. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 15, 2021 14:47:15 GMT
So, let me get this right: You work ovetime for which you get paid, but the EU ruledyou then had to given holiday pay for the overtime hours you’d worked and already been paid for? No wonder EU companies have trouble being competitive. Seems like the economics of the mad house to me. How could anyone justify that? I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. In fact the EU ruling includes all overtime worked. So in effect the EU expects anyone who works overtime to be rewarded twice. How can that be right? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 15, 2021 14:52:34 GMT
I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. In fact the EU ruling includes all overtime worked. So in effect the EU expects anyone who works overtime to be rewarded twice. How can that be right? How are they being rewarded twice? |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 15, 2021 15:06:40 GMT
I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. In fact the EU ruling includes all overtime worked. So in effect the EU expects anyone who works overtime to be rewarded twice. How can that be right? It doesn't really relate to salaried employees. If I do overtime I am paid end off. If you don't do fixed hours, that holiday pay is worked out at an average of the past 52 weeks which includes overtime |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 17:43:20 GMT
And rightly so. The legislation was enacted but gave the right of the individual to opt out. Surely that is right? Just adding some balance really. The brexit amazing / evil thing is reactionary when you think about it, no one is really looking at the nuances of it, it has been extremely simplified. Not having a go at anyone, it's how we are taught to behave. I know. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 15, 2021 18:42:04 GMT
This is definitely a win 🇬🇧 How Tories buy voters... 48 hour work week. "If you are miserable, why not make sure everyone else is as miserable as you are. Vote for us." In truth, those behind the Tory government will never work 48 hour weeks just to make ends meet, just us plebs at the bottom, feeding on scraps. What on earth is this meant to mean? |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 15, 2021 21:18:46 GMT
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Post by aghast on Jan 15, 2021 22:22:08 GMT
So, let me get this right: You work ovetime for which you get paid, but the EU ruledyou then had to given holiday pay for the overtime hours you’d worked and already been paid for? No wonder EU companies have trouble being competitive. Seems like the economics of the mad house to me. How could anyone justify that? I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. I'm not at all surprised to read this in the BBC article: "The Institute of Directors has called the issue a "time bomb" which could wipe out some small businesses." Don't the IoD and the CBI always say this sort of thing when workers' rights are improved? Always nonsense of course. Minimum wage and equal pay for women are also prime examples. They'd be much happier overseeing the good old days pre-trade unions and with a competitive dose of child labour thrown in. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 15, 2021 22:33:54 GMT
I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. I'm not at all surprised to read this in the BBC article: "The Institute of Directors has called the issue a "time bomb" which could wipe out some small businesses." Don't the IoD and the CBI always say this sort of thing when workers' rights are improved? Always nonsense of course. Minimum wage and equal pay for women are also prime examples. They'd be much happier overseeing the good old days pre-trade unions and with a competitive dose of child labour thrown in. But imagine how super competitive British firms would be ? |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 16, 2021 9:43:52 GMT
I think it relates more to guaranteed overtime rather than overtime per se. BAsically people who work guaranteed overtime shouldn't be short changed in holiday pay Oh and this was a UK ruling (sovereignty) that was than made into EU law (Which than went on to include commission as well as O/T) www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29896617#:~:text=Under%20EU%20law%2C%20workers%20are,how%20it%20should%20be%20calculated.&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20employers,their%20calculation%20of%20holiday%20pay. I'm not at all surprised to read this in the BBC article: "The Institute of Directors has called the issue a "time bomb" which could wipe out some small businesses." Don't the IoD and the CBI always say this sort of thing when workers' rights are improved? Always nonsense of course. Minimum wage and equal pay for women are also prime examples. They'd be much happier overseeing the good old days pre-trade unions and with a competitive dose of child labour thrown in. It’s the BBC. A competitive dose of child Labour? WTF are you on? |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 16, 2021 9:54:26 GMT
In fact the EU ruling includes all overtime worked. So in effect the EU expects anyone who works overtime to be rewarded twice. How can that be right? It doesn't really relate to salaried employees. If I do overtime I am paid end off. If you don't do fixed hours, that holiday pay is worked out at an average of the past 52 weeks which includes overtime Interesting read. So it appears that overtime should be included in your holiday pay. You might want to have a word with your employer. Also very interesting that statutory leave in the UK is 5.7 weeks. However, ACAS states that it only applies over 4 weeks as the EU statutory holiday is only 4 weeks. I haven’t read any of your Remainers extolling the virtue of the EU over that one. How strange! |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 16, 2021 9:56:11 GMT
In fact the EU ruling includes all overtime worked. So in effect the EU expects anyone who works overtime to be rewarded twice. How can that be right? How are they being rewarded twice? Stuart, I know you are a Reamainer, but do you really need to ask that? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2021 10:02:28 GMT
It doesn't really relate to salaried employees. If I do overtime I am paid end off. If you don't do fixed hours, that holiday pay is worked out at an average of the past 52 weeks which includes overtime Interesting read. So it appears that overtime should be included in your holiday pay. You might want to have a word with your employer. Also very interesting that statutory leave in the UK is 5.7 weeks. However, ACAS states that it only applies over 4 weeks as the EU statutory holiday is only 4 weeks. I haven’t read any of your Remainers extolling the virtue of the EU over that one. How strange! It's a minimum 4 weeks and ours includes Bank Holidays. Countries are free to choose to provide more. Sovereignty. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 10:14:00 GMT
www.acas.org.uk/checking-holiday-entitlement/calculating-holiday-payInteresting read. So it appears that overtime should be included in your holiday pay. You might want to have a word with your employer. Also very interesting that statutory leave in the UK is 5.7 weeks. However, ACAS states that it only applies over 4 weeks as the EU statutory holiday is only 4 weeks. I haven’t read any of your Remainers extolling the virtue of the EU over that one. How strange! It's a minimum 4 weeks and ours includes Bank Holidays. Countries are free to choose to provide more. Sovereignty. Indeed. I thought we were not allowed to create our own rules? |
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