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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 8:06:37 GMT
I tried to be positive at half time yesterday and posted that there were glimpses of promise and a few good moves. Five minutes before the end of the second half I slammed my laptop shut and tossed it back in the drawer. This prompted my good lady wife to shout “watch out kids, football seasons started again, stay away from your father”. Ouch.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 6, 2020 8:10:50 GMT
Away Win - Think our Fast Frontish Three will be too much for brittle Ipswich defence. Penalty on the cards !! Vital we win the midfield battle today. Midfield battle is the most interesting thing for me today, and with this system in general actually. If teams break quickly on us it’s often just going to be Westbrooke & Grant in the middle on their own, which could leave us quite open at times. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Gotta say, as well as how vulnerable we were down the flanks yesterday with balls played around our back three, I’m not convinced Grant-Westbrooke is gonna cut it when it comes to winning the midfield battle. Early days for them here and both are very tidy & composed on the ball, but neither look particularly quick, strong or have the ‘legs’ that I’d want at least one of them to have if we’re only playing with those two in the middle. There were holes all over our midfield for Ipswich to pass it through yesterday and Grant & Westbrooke were getting pulled all over the place trying to recover possession - leaving huge gaps in the middle of the pitch. Hopefully the system can be tweaked on the training pitch to make us a more solid & robust outfit without the ball, but tbh I’d feel much more comfortable if we were playing a midfield three & had Hargreaves in there as well to provide some energy. ____________Jaakkola Little_____Ehmer____Kilgour____Kelly ______________Grant ______Westbrooke__Hargreaves ___Nicholson____New______JML |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 6, 2020 8:14:33 GMT
For me a lot of the time in his interviews, I think Garner says one thing but really believes something else. Like his excuse about not taking our chances or about it being the first proper game since lockdown, I know Garner is clever enough to not believe some of things he comes up with but he says them anyway to protect his players and avoid criticism. I find it incredibly frustrating, especially after GC and DC who were always honest and blunt and a bit of a throwback to the Mcghee/Buckle era of interviews but then I suppose I don't judge a manager on their interview skills but what they deliver on the pitch. If I judged a manager on his interview skills I would have hated Coughlan , I always gave them a go pre match and post match but rarely made it to the end without switching off. I did however really like being in the mix for promotion to the championship and was gutted when he left. As I said earlier on another thread I think as a football supporter you don’t necessarily have to like a manager or a player personally to appreciate that they are doing a good job for your club. Garner talks the talk but so far he’s limping around completely unable to walk . I used to quite like GCs interviews. Only time I was sceptical was when he was initially appointed for the interim but was backing the guy throughout after the initial results built and built. His methods may be questionable, and his style old school, but in my eyes he’s a fantastic football manager. BG I can’t bear to listen to him. Too much fluff and bluster. I like a no nonsense kind of manager DC/GC style who tells it as it is and acknowledges problems and frailties. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 6, 2020 8:58:45 GMT
Midfield battle is the most interesting thing for me today, and with this system in general actually. If teams break quickly on us it’s often just going to be Westbrooke & Grant in the middle on their own, which could leave us quite open at times. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Gotta say, as well as how vulnerable we were down the flanks yesterday with balls played around our back three, I’m not convinced Grant-Westbrooke is gonna cut it when it comes to winning the midfield battle. Early days for them here and both are very tidy & composed on the ball, but neither look particularly quick, strong or have the ‘legs’ that I’d want at least one of them to have if we’re only playing with those two in the middle. There were holes all over our midfield for Ipswich to pass it through yesterday and Grant & Westbrooke were getting pulled all over the place trying to recover possession - leaving huge gaps in the middle of the pitch. Hopefully the system can be tweaked on the training pitch to make us a more solid & robust outfit without the ball, but tbh I’d feel much more comfortable if we were playing a midfield three & had Hargreaves in there as well to provide some energy. ____________Jaakkola Little_____Ehmer____Kilgour____Kelly ______________Grant ______Westbrooke__Hargreaves ___Nicholson____New______JML Makes you wonder why we need 5 centre backs on the books! I would go for your system except I’d be looking at Hare over Little and perhaps Rodman in tighter games away from home. We need more steel that’s for sure! UTG |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 6, 2020 9:02:25 GMT
If I judged a manager on his interview skills I would have hated Coughlan , I always gave them a go pre match and post match but rarely made it to the end without switching off. I did however really like being in the mix for promotion to the championship and was gutted when he left. As I said earlier on another thread I think as a football supporter you don’t necessarily have to like a manager or a player personally to appreciate that they are doing a good job for your club. Garner talks the talk but so far he’s limping around completely unable to walk . I used to quite like GCs interviews. Only time I was sceptical was when he was initially appointed for the interim but was backing the guy throughout after the initial results built and built. His methods may be questionable, and his style old school, but in my eyes he’s a fantastic football manager. BG I can’t bear to listen to him. Too much fluff and bluster. I like a no nonsense kind of manager DC/GC style who tells it as it is and acknowledges problems and frailties. Yes completely agree. Society is full of fake and suppression these days. Football is one place where we go to express ourselves and hear and see honesty. If we don't we will express ourselves when we hear BS in places like this thanks to the Mods who have created this forum for us to do so. If BG thinks he can talk rubbish and we are going to believe it he's very naive. He may have coaching badges but we have a lifetimes experience so please Ben don't try it on, it will be a bad investment. |
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Post by singupgas on Sept 6, 2020 9:03:01 GMT
Not disappointed that we are out of the Carabao cup, personally want it and the league trophy dropped due to the Covid and the extra fixtures they both add.
Looking at the line up I would say half of the 4 or 5 of them would be lucky to start most weeks if picking strongest 11. I expect the starting 11 next weekend to look slightly different.
State the obvious, we NEED a striker. There is nowhere near enough firepower in the team to rely in what we have and a team should always have options. I hope we sign the striker we want this week that will lead our attack just like JCH did last season.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 6, 2020 9:11:03 GMT
If we don't we will express ourselves when we hear BS in places like this thanks to the Mods who create it. What does this mean? |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 6, 2020 9:17:55 GMT
If we don't we will express ourselves when we hear BS in places like this thanks to the Mods who create it. What does this mean? It means....we are grateful to the Mods for creating a place where we can express ourselves especially when we see dishonesty and hear BS. |
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Post by james246 on Sept 6, 2020 9:19:07 GMT
In my opinion we need two strikers on the field, from what we have JA should be one of them, and quality new guy alongside him. I personally think we need two quality striker signings but it doesn't look like that will happen.
For me the formation should be 5-3-2 or 4-4-2, but always two up top.
I think Ben has an eye for talented footballers but game management needs to be sharper.
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Post by yaz on Sept 6, 2020 9:21:44 GMT
Wouldn’t blame him if he did think that, he was a heart on his sleeve kind of manager for us, and I think that typified his personality probably- family first, as it should be. Nothings ever made me feel more uncomfortable with our general fanbase than that time as a supporter, around half of the supporters on here moaned like f**k sbout him whilst he pulled us clear of relegation then got us to 4th in the league halfway through last season and then around half of our fanbase in here called him a lady garden or words to that effect when he left to be with his family. Not the Rovers way that I’ve grown up with.. Things have changed. Yes exactly and since GC left they have got the opposite. This isn't a fashion business, but a results based one and up to now GC got the results and BG hasn't.That is a fact not an opinion. We all hope it will change of course we do. GC wasn't fancied by many fans. A lot of fans wanted Holloway, etc. As you say, it is not a fashion business and there are many successful managers who have "failed" at other clubs for whatever reasons, e.g. Mourinho at Man United, Brendan Rogers at Liverpool, etc. At L1 level, one only finds out how "good" the manager is once he is the manager and the players are playing for him and the fans are supporting him. At our level, pretty football is nice but survival and promotion are what we are after. GC was producing results and getting fan support; imagine what he would have got with a few newer players of his choice. I try not to criticise our managers but since BG has come in, our team has been battered by the opposition. The Southend 4-2 home win only came after we were 2-0 down; they should have buried us by 1/2 time. The season's last game against Sunderland was a good win but there wasn't much else. I think the formations used are wrong, ie. 4 or 5 needed at the back, especially away, players playing in wrong positions, overall composition of the team is not physically strong enough, no real playmakers, no tactical substitutional nous to change the game, etc. I hope I am badly wrong and the team begins to gel and flow this season. Would I prefer GC football or BG football? GC by a long way; because the team played for each other. To build such a team again will take quite a few years I feel. At least the sun is here today. Enjoy. UTG |
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Post by horfield on Sept 6, 2020 9:28:02 GMT
Garner has now a win ratio of 10.5%, worst record of any manager in the history of the club, in two and a half months he took us from 4th to 14th and further if lockdown hadn't rescued him. I think Mick Mills summed it up honestly,we looked like a bottom of the table side. October 3rd critical game home to Northampton that would be 25 games in charge.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 6, 2020 9:32:30 GMT
We are going backwards. If the plan is to develop and sell then why is Kilgour our most promising youngster now playing out of position.garners excuses are on the verge of ridiculous and has been found out that development football does not work in mens football
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Post by yaz on Sept 6, 2020 9:37:08 GMT
I tried to be positive at half time yesterday and posted that there were glimpses of promise and a few good moves. Five minutes before the end of the second half I slammed my laptop shut and tossed it back in the drawer. This prompted my good lady wife to shout “watch out kids, football seasons started again, stay away from your father”. Ouch. Agree. I just got fed up, thought about other people who would smash their watching device but ..... not really worth it and just watched the inevitable defeat. The 2nd goal before 1/2 time was the killer goal but overall we were 2nd best everywhere. Personally, from our new signings, the only ones I really liked pre-season were JML and Ayunga (because he is Kenyan?). JML we saw last season and I think he has the making of a very good player. Ayunga looked good for the service he was getting; he did not look clumsy like some of the loan strikers we had last season? JML ran his heart out and looked good; must learn to shoot more? Apart from these, Westbrook and Nicholson impressed as players who wanted the ball. Westbrook impressed in trying to get play moving but towards the end his passes weren't good enough, just hopeful. Nicholson tried too hard in doing some things too much by himself. My opinions on these 2 can wait further games but generally positive. Apart from JVS, no one else did much. Hargreaves usually lost the ball when he got it, most of the time facing the wrong way? Kilgour made some terrible passes / clearances but I think he was playing on the wrong side? Right of Centre best for him? Grant nowhere to be seen. Little defensively weak. I do not see us beating Ipswich at home; we will be lucky to get a draw unless things drastically change. It could be a long hard winter? UTG |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 6, 2020 9:45:23 GMT
ffs give him 10 games before you throw the towell in. And, again, I was making the point that our performance against Cardiff was much better than today's Never understood this "write off the first ten games of the season" business. There are only 46 league games a season. Ten games is more than a fifth of that. Over 20%. 30 possible points out of only 138 available. If you consider 50ish points is what is needed to stay up that's 60% of what you need, chucked away. If you consider 75ish points is the mark to get in the play offs that's 40% of what you need just binned. Football teams should be ready to play football at the start of the season not when half of your hoped for points tally has drifted by. So BG should be sacked now ? |
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 6, 2020 9:49:26 GMT
My final observation was the formation. Maybe we would be better playing a back 4 away from home, I dont know, but it was obvious things weren't working, and I think most managers would change the fomation, but he didn't. I hope hes not a one formation pony.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 6, 2020 9:51:46 GMT
I didn't watch, but I trust what many say in that it was a poor performance.
Am I a little concerned? Yes. Am I panicking? No.
I raised on here that I was concerned that it would take only 2 or 3 games for some to start kicking up a stink on here if we started poorly against some good sides. Turns out I was wrong. I should have been concerned that it would only take 1 game.
I get that BG's record last season was dire, and I get that yesterdays performance was poor, but can people please keep their toys in the pram for a little longer!? It's like a bloody kids nursery on here sometimes.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 9:59:49 GMT
Never understood this "write off the first ten games of the season" business. There are only 46 league games a season. Ten games is more than a fifth of that. Over 20%. 30 possible points out of only 138 available. If you consider 50ish points is what is needed to stay up that's 60% of what you need, chucked away. If you consider 75ish points is the mark to get in the play offs that's 40% of what you need just binned. Football teams should be ready to play football at the start of the season not when half of your hoped for points tally has drifted by. So BG should be sacked now ? Absolutely, yes! |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 6, 2020 10:01:27 GMT
It means....we are grateful to the Mods for creating a place where we can express ourselves especially when we see dishonesty and hear BS. To be fair, I don't think many of the people who created it are still mods. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 6, 2020 10:08:54 GMT
Midfield battle is the most interesting thing for me today, and with this system in general actually. If teams break quickly on us it’s often just going to be Westbrooke & Grant in the middle on their own, which could leave us quite open at times. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Gotta say, as well as how vulnerable we were down the flanks yesterday with balls played around our back three, I’m not convinced Grant-Westbrooke is gonna cut it when it comes to winning the midfield battle. Early days for them here and both are very tidy & composed on the ball, but neither look particularly quick, strong or have the ‘legs’ that I’d want at least one of them to have if we’re only playing with those two in the middle. There were holes all over our midfield for Ipswich to pass it through yesterday and Grant & Westbrooke were getting pulled all over the place trying to recover possession - leaving huge gaps in the middle of the pitch. Hopefully the system can be tweaked on the training pitch to make us a more solid & robust outfit without the ball, but tbh I’d feel much more comfortable if we were playing a midfield three & had Hargreaves in there as well to provide some energy. ____________Jaakkola Little_____Ehmer____Kilgour____Kelly ______________Grant ______Westbrooke__Hargreaves ___Nicholson____New______JML If we played this way I would put Upson in for Hargreaves's. That would give us the experience needed in the middle of the park. Plus I think Upson plays well as one of the three. If we don't have a new striker by the Sunderland game, if he's fit I would start Daly in the middle. Yesterday there number 9 ran the channels and got in between our defenders. Only saw Daly a few times last season, but he looked like he could do that. Pre season he was played out wide, which didn't suit him then he was out with illness. So we didn't get to see him through the middle. Obviously we still need another striker, but I wouldn't mind to see him through the middle until then. Think Annsi would have stopped the first goal. Glad he will be back for the league games. |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 6, 2020 10:17:37 GMT
I tried to be positive at half time yesterday and posted that there were glimpses of promise and a few good moves. Five minutes before the end of the second half I slammed my laptop shut and tossed it back in the drawer. This prompted my good lady wife to shout “watch out kids, football seasons started again, stay away from your father”. Ouch. Yes know the feeling 4thuser, just spoken to son and family in Australia this morning and oldest grandson said “they lost again Grandad.” Yep, just about sums it up! UTG! |
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