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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 18:23:06 GMT
Not defending anything, just questioning why pick suck a vacuous argument with such a weak link to a company that imports batteries and solar panels from China when so many serious mistakes have been made. Well that’s just ancillary to the main issue which is the strange circumstances surrounding the awarding of the contracts- to a Tory councillor and to a company with no business history. Put all that lot in with the isle of dogs nonsense and it’s not a very good look at all. Put it another way: would anyone dare to argue that this cabinet are straight as a die? But you provided the link to the story didn't you? No point getting agitated by politicians looking after their own, nepotism and cronyism runs deep, red and blue, most MPs at local level are probably good people, the second they get anywhere near power something happens and they all become total shitweasels. Honestly, I'm done with this now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 18:28:40 GMT
But if we all turn a blind eye to it then we are complicit. And hey, if we were all lighting cigars with £50 notes who cares, but we aren’t. The inequality in this country is frankly a disgrace for the size of the economy and that is never going to change so long as those at the top, whatever their stripe, don’t stop fiddling expenses, giving contracts to their mates and profiting off of unaffordable housing during a housing crisis.
Which is how it goes back to the BLM stuff: If BLM want improvements in society for poor black people they need to stop pointing the finger at the average man in the street and start focusing on activities such as these at the very top which help further inequality.
If venality was shown not to pay maybe more people with improper aims might stay out of politics making room for people who genuinely want to improve society for everyone and not just their mates.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 18:50:50 GMT
But if we all turn a blind eye to it then we are complicit. And hey, if we were all lighting cigars with £50 notes who cares, but we aren’t. The inequality in this country is frankly a disgrace for the size of the economy and that is never going to change so long as those at the top, whatever their stripe, don’t stop fiddling expenses, giving contracts to their mates and profiting off of unaffordable housing during a housing crisis. Which is how it goes back to the BLM stuff: If BLM want improvements in society for poor black people they need to stop pointing the finger at the average man in the street and start focusing on activities such as these at the very top which help further inequality. If venality was shown not to pay maybe more people with improper aims might stay out of politics making room for people who genuinely want to improve society for everyone and not just their mates. I'm not saying that any wrongdoing should be ignored, but starmer is about as much use as a wooden frying pan, so we still don't have an effective opposition. And he's not winning the next election, just wait for the campaign to start and his skeletons to get dragged out of the closet. Sorry, but we are stuck with Billy Bunter and Lord Snooty running the show for 9 more years. Ref your third point, absolutely, didn't agree with much of what he said, but Benn Snr was a principled man, more from his cloth please. To the second point, maybe, but where's the personal responsibility aspect? Nobody is forced to commit a crime, nobody is forced to truant, you know the rest of the list of personal choices that contribute to low standards of living, probable interaction with Police etc. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 11, 2020 6:01:10 GMT
Well that’s just ancillary to the main issue which is the strange circumstances surrounding the awarding of the contracts- to a Tory councillor and to a company with no business history. Put all that lot in with the isle of dogs nonsense and it’s not a very good look at all. Put it another way: would anyone dare to argue that this cabinet are straight as a die? But you provided the link to the story didn't you? No point getting agitated by politicians looking after their own, nepotism and cronyism runs deep, red and blue, most MPs at local level are probably good people, the second they get anywhere near power something happens and they all become total shitweasels. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts worse than any other kind. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 11, 2020 15:42:44 GMT
I posted some articles on here a couple of months ago that local businesses were complaining after being turned away by the government when they were offering to do runs of PPE, to the point they went direct to their local authority/NHS and I questioned at the time whether the red tape was simply that not enough “beaks were getting wet“. This seems to suggest I may not have been wide of the mark. Bad smell emerging from this pandemic handling fiasco. Yes there is. As I said at the beginning of this thread I would hope that the scrutiny of how the government handled the PPE availability would be one of the areas that needs to be looked at once the crisis is over. But I suspect that the government will say that they avoided a lengthier procurement process because it was important to get it done ASAP. It will suit them to say that. On other issues they will say that they need to follow a process because then, it will suit them. This government is not principled, they will worry about the end not the means. Some will like that, some won’t. BJ will flat bat any criticism, waffle his way through, speak about the future and any scrutiny will be kicked into the long grass. What will be interesting will be when the relations and families of those who died start to question elements of what they did because that is the bottom line. Had the lockdown started earlier, had European football matches, Cheltenham Festival not happened, had there been enough PPE, had elderly people not been sent back into care homes after being in hospital, some of whom may have had CV when they were sent back to their care homes are the “big”questions that will need answering. I’m not sure this government have any intention of looking forensically at what happened. Some of the answers would leave them utterly shame-faced. The answers to these questions and a different response may be the difference between the current death toll of 45,000 and the tolls in many other countries which are far, far lower. It is totally shameful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 8:25:47 GMT
Bad smell emerging from this pandemic handling fiasco. Yes there is. As I said at the beginning of this thread I would hope that the scrutiny of how the government handled the PPE availability would be one of the areas that needs to be looked at once the crisis is over. But I suspect that the government will say that they avoided a lengthier procurement process because it was important to get it done ASAP. It will suit them to say that. On other issues they will say that they need to follow a process because then, it will suit them. This government is not principled, they will worry about the end not the means. Some will like that, some won’t. BJ will flat bat any criticism, waffle his way through, speak about the future and any scrutiny will be kicked into the long grass. What will be interesting will be when the relations and families of those who died start to question elements of what they did because that is the bottom line. Had the lockdown started earlier, had European football matches, Cheltenham Festival not happened, had there been enough PPE, had elderly people not been sent back into care homes after being in hospital, some of whom may have had CV when they were sent back to their care homes are the “big”questions that will need answering. I’m not sure this government have any intention of looking forensically at what happened. Some of the answers would leave them utterly shame-faced. The answers to these questions and a different response may be the difference between the current death toll of 45,000 and the tolls in many other countries which are far, far lower. It is totally shameful. Unfortunately the governments morals do not align with yours/ours. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 9:25:19 GMT
Yes there is. As I said at the beginning of this thread I would hope that the scrutiny of how the government handled the PPE availability would be one of the areas that needs to be looked at once the crisis is over. But I suspect that the government will say that they avoided a lengthier procurement process because it was important to get it done ASAP. It will suit them to say that. On other issues they will say that they need to follow a process because then, it will suit them. This government is not principled, they will worry about the end not the means. Some will like that, some won’t. BJ will flat bat any criticism, waffle his way through, speak about the future and any scrutiny will be kicked into the long grass. What will be interesting will be when the relations and families of those who died start to question elements of what they did because that is the bottom line. Had the lockdown started earlier, had European football matches, Cheltenham Festival not happened, had there been enough PPE, had elderly people not been sent back into care homes after being in hospital, some of whom may have had CV when they were sent back to their care homes are the “big”questions that will need answering. I’m not sure this government have any intention of looking forensically at what happened. Some of the answers would leave them utterly shame-faced. The answers to these questions and a different response may be the difference between the current death toll of 45,000 and the tolls in many other countries which are far, far lower. It is totally shameful. Unfortunately the governments morals do not align with yours/ours. Nor do their competencies. Sunak excepted. I hear that failing Grayling is to be chair of the Intelligence Committee. Seriously? Surely an oxymoron?? Or, a fall guy for the suppression of the report on Russian activity? Anyone else get the feeling this is being held back until after the to US elections in November?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 9:48:40 GMT
This thread is comedy gold.
One minute they are all incompetent, then it's not fair because they've all had the benefit of elite education.
Add to that, some people, well one in particular, seems to want to cheer on emergency measures as if they are sustainable policy.
Maybe there is an argument for a quick IQ test on the way in to the pooling booth?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 10:01:04 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. One minute they are all incompetent, then it's not fair because they've all had the benefit of elite education. Add to that, some people, well one in particular, seems to want to cheer on emergency measures as if they are sustainable policy. Maybe there is an argument for a quick IQ test on the way in to the pooling booth? 😂😂😂 The question is surely, how can they be that bad with all the (supposed) benefits of private education and Oxbridge tertiary?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 10:48:30 GMT
This thread is comedy gold. One minute they are all incompetent, then it's not fair because they've all had the benefit of elite education. Add to that, some people, well one in particular, seems to want to cheer on emergency measures as if they are sustainable policy. Maybe there is an argument for a quick IQ test on the way in to the pooling booth? 😂😂😂 The question is surely, how can they be that bad with all the (supposed) benefits of private education and Oxbridge tertiary?? You've seen Monty Pyton, Upper Class Twit sketch haven't you? That's all they do, all day, every day. And in their spare time sexually assault pigs' heads whilst shouting Bully Bully, so I'm lead to believe. What do you mean by 'tertiary', I know it has a couple of obscure uses, but normally it's used to mean 3rd in a level or sequence? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 15, 2020 19:02:33 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 15, 2020 19:30:45 GMT
Boris bitter? news.sky.com/story/dr-julian-lewis-has-tory-whip-removed-after-running-against-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301A Tory MP who defeated Downing Street's pick to be the new Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) chair has had the whip removed. Dr Julian Lewis is no longer sitting as a Conservative in parliament after he ran against the government's nominee for the top job - Chris Grayling - and won. A senior government source said the punishment was for "working with Labour and other opposition MPs for his own advantage". Mr Grayling had been expected to be coronated as the ISC chair - putting him in charge of scrutinising the UK's intelligence agencies - in a vote by other committee members on Wednesday. Packed with a Tory majority for the first time in recent history, Number 10 was counting on other members to back their candidate. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 15, 2020 19:38:45 GMT
Good to see that BJ has committed to an independent inquiry into the way the government has handled the Coronavirus epidemic. It’s good that he has agreed to it being independent but without a specified date it could become a long running saga of when it happens. I can sort of understand his thinking as saying it will happen when the epidemic is over but with it being independent I guess not too many government people will be involved in it so in a way it could start pretty soon I would have thought. But, it’s good that it’s been agreed and we need to hope that the terms of reference will be wide and take in all the areas that people have been unhappy about. I’m suspicious that BJ will give such narrow TOR that it won’t look at anything in much depth. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53419544 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 20:39:12 GMT
Boris bitter? news.sky.com/story/dr-julian-lewis-has-tory-whip-removed-after-running-against-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301A Tory MP who defeated Downing Street's pick to be the new Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) chair has had the whip removed. Dr Julian Lewis is no longer sitting as a Conservative in parliament after he ran against the government's nominee for the top job - Chris Grayling - and won. A senior government source said the punishment was for "working with Labour and other opposition MPs for his own advantage". Mr Grayling had been expected to be coronated as the ISC chair - putting him in charge of scrutinising the UK's intelligence agencies - in a vote by other committee members on Wednesday. Packed with a Tory majority for the first time in recent history, Number 10 was counting on other members to back their candidate. Johnson Cannot even get his choices through Parliament after winning a stonking majority 7 months ago. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 15, 2020 22:05:45 GMT
Boris bitter? news.sky.com/story/dr-julian-lewis-has-tory-whip-removed-after-running-against-pms-security-committee-chair-pick-12029301A Tory MP who defeated Downing Street's pick to be the new Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) chair has had the whip removed. Dr Julian Lewis is no longer sitting as a Conservative in parliament after he ran against the government's nominee for the top job - Chris Grayling - and won. A senior government source said the punishment was for "working with Labour and other opposition MPs for his own advantage". Mr Grayling had been expected to be coronated as the ISC chair - putting him in charge of scrutinising the UK's intelligence agencies - in a vote by other committee members on Wednesday. Packed with a Tory majority for the first time in recent history, Number 10 was counting on other members to back their candidate. Johnson Cannot even get his choices through Parliament after winning a stonking majority 7 months ago. Funnier than that, Grayling failed to win a rigged election. 😂 More seriously though, the Russia report is now expected to be released, probably next week. Watch this space for some shenanigans over the coming (or is that Cummings) days. Julian Lewis is quite right wing, but he cares deeply about the defence and security of our country. He does seem someone willing to put country before party if it came to it. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 15, 2020 22:15:09 GMT
Johnson Cannot even get his choices through Parliament after winning a stonking majority 7 months ago. Funnier than that, Grayling failed to win a rigged election. 😂 More seriously though, the Russia report is now expected to be released, probably next week. Watch this space for some shenanigans over the coming (or is that Cummings) days. Julian Lewis is quite right wing, but he cares deeply about the defence and security of our country. He does seem someone willing to put country before party if it came to it. I wonder if there is anything in the Russia report that is remotely exsplosive or if it will be a damp squib. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 23:16:51 GMT
Good to see that BJ has committed to an independent inquiry into the way the government has handled the Coronavirus epidemic. It’s good that he has agreed to it being independent but without a specified date it could become a long running saga of when it happens. I can sort of understand his thinking as saying it will happen when the epidemic is over but with it being independent I guess not too many government people will be involved in it so in a way it could start pretty soon I would have thought. But, it’s good that it’s been agreed and we need to hope that the terms of reference will be wide and take in all the areas that people have been unhappy about. I’m suspicious that BJ will give such narrow TOR that it won’t look at anything in much depth. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53419544I hear Chris Grayling is looking for a committee to the head of? This could be his chance to bring some independence to a review of the government’s handling of CV |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 15, 2020 23:27:04 GMT
Funnier than that, Grayling failed to win a rigged election. 😂 More seriously though, the Russia report is now expected to be released, probably next week. Watch this space for some shenanigans over the coming (or is that Cummings) days. Julian Lewis is quite right wing, but he cares deeply about the defence and security of our country. He does seem someone willing to put country before party if it came to it. I wonder if there is anything in the Russia report that is remotely exsplosive or if it will be a damp squib. Probably enough ammunition for the opposition but not enough to force any resignations. The extent of the fightback from No 10 will be an indication. According to Jon Craig of Sky: "But there is already talk of the government tabling a Committee of Selection motion, which can be debated for up to 90 minutes and then voted on by MPs, removing Dr Lewis from the committee and replacing him with another Tory MP." Also possible in the simple abolition of the committee. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 23:31:05 GMT
Funnier than that, Grayling failed to win a rigged election. 😂 More seriously though, the Russia report is now expected to be released, probably next week. Watch this space for some shenanigans over the coming (or is that Cummings) days. Julian Lewis is quite right wing, but he cares deeply about the defence and security of our country. He does seem someone willing to put country before party if it came to it. I wonder if there is anything in the Russia report that is remotely exsplosive or if it will be a damp squib. I’ve really gotten into the subject of Russian relations with the west since nobby tried to play down the allegations of Russian meddling (iirc he tried to claim Russia had nothing to do with the US election didn’t he? 😂). It’s a fascinating topic and to my mind it is beyond any doubt that Russia will have attempted to use many forms of leverage to have an effect on British democracy- the question is how much? I’m sceptical we will get anywhere near the full truth from this report. Russia’s main agitation seems to be electronic these days but I still would not write off attempts at societal influence especially given how welcoming the London economy is to Russian money, particularly in housing. The Tories have a donor who used to be close to Putin and it seems that once you’ve been clutched close to Putin’s bosom(!) it’s hard to extricate yourself from it as he takes a dim view of people who go abroad and turn their backs on the Fatherland. The cuts to civil service mean we don’t have the man power we once did to fully keep up with Russian operations on British soil either. In all I think people would be surprised how at risk we are from Russian infiltration given how it has taken on a more aggressive foreign policy in the last 15 years that involves foreign assassinations and cyber attacks on foreign electrical infrastructure. Putin is a dangerous man and I get the impression from the west’s rather trivial retribution (compared with robust action against China and North Korea) that it is somewhat scared of what he is capable of. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 16, 2020 11:08:16 GMT
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