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Post by onedaygas83 on Jan 11, 2020 19:42:06 GMT
One thing I cant get my head around is why was he coaching out in India with a manager who was out there just to top up his pension? If he was such a well educated coach then surly he would have been at a championship club at least and waiting for a chance as a manager in this country and not tip tapping around the Indian soccer league?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:51:22 GMT
Yes, I was a year ago. As I said before, I'd have had Eustace, Evatt and Culverhouse ahead of him this time. Hands up though and credit where it is due, the board made the right choice the first time a year ago with Coughlan as he kept us up and did a good job this season with a squad of limited ability. But at the same time a year later the appointment of Garner isn't looking so clever. I'm not writing him off totally yet, but it's obviously not looking good and he isn't doing himself any favours with some questionable decisions. We all get things wrong from time to time and this appointment might be one of those occasions. I hope not and fingers crossed he can turn things around. I'm probably in the minority on here but I'm certainly not prepared to write him off 6 games into his managerial career. As with anyone new to a job he's going to make mistakes we cut a young player like Hargreaves some slack so imo we should do the same with Garner. I've got no idea if he'll be a success long term but I'm willing to wait & see, looks like I'm in a small group !!! I'm with you! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:54:15 GMT
Not sure who it was of the coaching staff but they were stood in front of Garner shouting at the players, that reminded me that Rofe did the same to Martin Dobson. Think that was Maher. Garner continued to stand like a statue stroking his beard in a thoughtful manner! Occasionally he would point or give a push-up signal...that was about it!
I don't get this need for a manager to start jumping up and down and shout a lot. Plenty of good managers are calmer on the sidelines, such as Rodgers or Hodgson, for example. Sometimes a clear, unemotional head makes a better decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:56:18 GMT
Garner didn’t even bother to applaud the fans walking off the pitch. Disgusting. Simply untrue. He clapped the fans as he left the pitch. |
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Post by axegas on Jan 11, 2020 19:59:30 GMT
Think that was Maher. Garner continued to stand like a statue stroking his beard in a thoughtful manner! Occasionally he would point or give a push-up signal...that was about it!
I don't get this need for a manager to start jumping up and down and shout a lot. Plenty of good managers are calmer on the sidelines, such as Rodgers or Hodgson, for example. Sometimes a clear, unemotional head makes a better decision. It’s probably just because everyone is so used to it when we hard GC and DC, both were incredibly passionate on the touchline and tended to connect with the fans on the terrace through that. I don’t mind Garners approach, at the end of the day a manager waving his arms about on the touchline isn’t going to win you any points. Just wish he would acknowledge the fans during and after every game a little bit more and show a little emotion every now and then. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2020 19:59:31 GMT
Garner didn’t even bother to applaud the fans walking off the pitch. Disgusting. Simply untrue. He clapped the fans as he left the pitch. Must have been a very short clap as the camera on iFollow followed him all the way from the half way line to the tunnel |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Jan 11, 2020 20:01:39 GMT
Not having a go at you pirate, but you were his biggest advocate. It's far too early to write him off yet, but why do you think he's made such a shocking start? In my defence, that was a year ago and he wasn't my top choice this time round. I had John Eustace, Ian Evatt and even Ian Culverhouse ahead of him. However they would also have been a risk and the bookies list of candidates was one of the most uninspiring and depressing list you could possibly imagine. He has come in at an awkward time in fairness, and has had a few injuries to deal with, but that's football and I'm not going to use any of that as an excuse and neither should Garner. Maybe he has tried to change things too soon and possibly the players haven't taken to him? Regardless, the players should be playing for the shirt and their own personal pride. If has been absolutely dire with barely a shot at goal in 6 games and totally dominated in most of those. No doubt about it, we are struggling at the moment and so is the manager. Understatement of day! So when you linked www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/heralded-entertainment-who-think-bristol-3657868 and said you agreed with David Byrom, who said Ben Garner was his ideal appointment, that wasn't you indicating he was your top choice? |
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Post by pirate on Jan 11, 2020 20:08:00 GMT
In my defence, that was a year ago and he wasn't my top choice this time round. I had John Eustace, Ian Evatt and even Ian Culverhouse ahead of him. However they would also have been a risk and the bookies list of candidates was one of the most uninspiring and depressing list you could possibly imagine. He has come in at an awkward time in fairness, and has had a few injuries to deal with, but that's football and I'm not going to use any of that as an excuse and neither should Garner. Maybe he has tried to change things too soon and possibly the players haven't taken to him? Regardless, the players should be playing for the shirt and their own personal pride. If has been absolutely dire with barely a shot at goal in 6 games and totally dominated in most of those. No doubt about it, we are struggling at the moment and so is the manager. Understatement of day! So when you linked www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/heralded-entertainment-who-think-bristol-3657868 and said you agreed with David Byrom, who said Ben Garner was his ideal appointment, that wasn't you indicating he was your top choice? From that limited list of candidates, yes. Eustace, Evatt, Culverhouse and Johnnie Jackson weren't mentioned in the article. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 11, 2020 20:18:33 GMT
I don't get this need for a manager to start jumping up and down and shout a lot. Plenty of good managers are calmer on the sidelines, such as Rodgers or Hodgson, for example. Sometimes a clear, unemotional head makes a better decision. It’s probably just because everyone is so used to it when we hard GC and DC, both were incredibly passionate on the touchline and tended to connect with the fans on the terrace through that. I don’t mind Garners approach, at the end of the day a manager waving his arms about on the touchline isn’t going to win you any points. Just wish he would acknowledge the fans during and after every game a little bit more and show a little emotion every now and then. Brendan Rodgers is very vocal on the touchline, as are his coaching staff. Roy Hodgson is 72 years of age, hardly surprising he's not as energetic anymore, he certainly was 20 years ago though. Ben Garner doesn't show anything. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jan 11, 2020 20:21:42 GMT
It’s probably just because everyone is so used to it when we hard GC and DC, both were incredibly passionate on the touchline and tended to connect with the fans on the terrace through that. I don’t mind Garners approach, at the end of the day a manager waving his arms about on the touchline isn’t going to win you any points. Just wish he would acknowledge the fans during and after every game a little bit more and show a little emotion every now and then. Brendan Rodgers is very vocal on the touchline, as are his coaching staff. Roy Hodgson is 72 years of age, hardly surprising he's not as energetic anymore, he certainly was 20 years ago though. Ben Garner doesn't show anything. What's the betting if he'd won 2 or 3 of his first 6 games nobody would have mentioned his touchline behaviour. Unfortunately results have been bad so it gets highlighted when in reality it makes absolutely no difference at all |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 20:25:00 GMT
It’s probably just because everyone is so used to it when we hard GC and DC, both were incredibly passionate on the touchline and tended to connect with the fans on the terrace through that. I don’t mind Garners approach, at the end of the day a manager waving his arms about on the touchline isn’t going to win you any points. Just wish he would acknowledge the fans during and after every game a little bit more and show a little emotion every now and then. Brendan Rodgers is very vocal on the touchline, as are his coaching staff. Roy Hodgson is 72 years of age, hardly surprising he's not as energetic anymore, he certainly was 20 years ago though. Ben Garner doesn't show anything. OK. Eddie Howe is fairly quiet, but a good manager. Hodgson is quiet noe, maybe for the reason you state, maybe not, hut still successful. If we had won games, no-one would have a problem with Garner being the quieter type. It has absolutely no bearing on how a team perform. We're not losing because he doesn't wave his arms around and shout a lot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 20:26:26 GMT
What's the betting if he'd won 2 or 3 of his first 6 games nobody would have mentioned his touchline behaviour. Unfortunately results have been bad so it gets highlighted when in reality it makes absolutely no difference at all It does make a difference because people want to see leadership when the chips are down. If we were doing well, then it would look magnanimous if he sent someone else out, someone to share the plaudits and take some of the credit. It's not the same look when you haven't won yet. Every manager knows you need to manage the crowd as well as the team. That's why GC always used to say how brilliant we were after getting 90 minutes of abuse from the East Stand. Leadership isn't shouting. Leadership is making the right decisions and the right times. None of us know whether he will do that or not, but he's only been here 5 minutes FFS. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 11, 2020 20:30:40 GMT
It does make a difference because people want to see leadership when the chips are down. If we were doing well, then it would look magnanimous if he sent someone else out, someone to share the plaudits and take some of the credit. It's not the same look when you haven't won yet. Every manager knows you need to manage the crowd as well as the team. That's why GC always used to say how brilliant we were after getting 90 minutes of abuse from the East Stand. Leadership isn't shouting. Leadership is making the right decisions and the right times. None of us know whether he will do that or not, but he's only been here 5 minutes FFS. Sorry, I completely misread you. I was still talking about the not doing the interview thing. I agree with you about the touchline behaviour. Each manager has to do what he's comfortable doing. |
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Post by singupgas on Jan 11, 2020 20:32:24 GMT
Pirate you were dead keen on BG being appointed not too long ago. It's fair to say, just because someone looks like they might be good on paper, doesn't mean they are cut out for the job. I still won't write BG off,but losing can't become a habit. Yes, I was a year ago. As I said before, I'd have had Eustace, Evatt and Culverhouse ahead of him this time. Hands up though and credit where it is due, the board made the right choice the first time a year ago with Coughlan as he kept us up and did a good job this season with a squad of limited ability. But at the same time a year later the appointment of Garner isn't looking so clever. I'm not writing him off totally yet, but it's obviously not looking good and he isn't doing himself any favours with some questionable decisions. We all get things wrong from time to time and this appointment might be one of those occasions. I hope not and fingers crossed he can turn things around. Not sure how you can change your mind, he was unproven a year ago and is unproven now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though. Not having a pop, just interesting you were the only person to endorse the guy, 99% of has never heard of. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 11, 2020 20:40:04 GMT
Brendan Rodgers is very vocal on the touchline, as are his coaching staff. Roy Hodgson is 72 years of age, hardly surprising he's not as energetic anymore, he certainly was 20 years ago though. Ben Garner doesn't show anything. What's the betting if he'd won 2 or 3 of his first 6 games nobody would have mentioned his touchline behaviour. Unfortunately results have been bad so it gets highlighted when in reality it makes absolutely no difference at all It does make a difference. The same way as man management. Some players need a kick up the arse, some need an arm round the shoulder. You need to be able to adapt to certain situations, know when to be calm, and vise versa. From past experience, having somebody who is basically statuesque and shows no emotions for 90 mins doesn't do you any favours. |
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Post by Fat Albert on Jan 11, 2020 20:41:40 GMT
I think most would agree we probably weren’t good enough to go up. So given we’re probably not going down either, we might as well give BG a chance to build a team he wants.
Most were critical of GC’s play and there were lots of complaints about crowds dropping etc so if it’s “football” we want it’s probably not gonna happen until next season.
It could be he is out of his depth or that this appointment works out well, but it might take a while to get there.
Too soon to tell IMO- people were calling for both DC and GC’s heads in the early days.
I say give it a bit before we make snap judgements.
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Post by thegasareback on Jan 11, 2020 20:42:13 GMT
I think THD could be a great player for us. But bringing him on as a right sided centre midfielder and then he allows his man just to run off him for the opener... he’s just not used to playing in that area of the pitch. I will support garner as he’s the manager of my beloved club but if you’re going to put a square peg in a round hole it has to blooming work.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Jan 11, 2020 20:43:04 GMT
From that limited list of candidates, yes. Eustace, Evatt, Culverhouse and Johnnie Jackson weren't mentioned in the article. The article didn't state "Pick your ideal manager between Tim Flowers, Ben Garner, Michael Flynn and Ian Holloway" pirate, the article was people's preferred choice of manager from any manager. I just think it sounds like you're backtracking as you don't think Garner will be successful now, because I can't find any evidence of you saying you would've preferred those 4 managers over Garner (if there is, please enlighten me and I'll retract my assumption). |
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Post by pirate on Jan 11, 2020 20:44:17 GMT
Yes, I was a year ago. As I said before, I'd have had Eustace, Evatt and Culverhouse ahead of him this time. Hands up though and credit where it is due, the board made the right choice the first time a year ago with Coughlan as he kept us up and did a good job this season with a squad of limited ability. But at the same time a year later the appointment of Garner isn't looking so clever. I'm not writing him off totally yet, but it's obviously not looking good and he isn't doing himself any favours with some questionable decisions. We all get things wrong from time to time and this appointment might be one of those occasions. I hope not and fingers crossed he can turn things around. Not sure how you can change your mind, he was unproven a year ago and is unproven now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though. Not having a pop, just interesting you were the only person to endorse the guy, 99% of has never heard of. I'm partly having doubts because of his flip flopping interviews about not changing things too soon and then the next week talking about changing the style. His tinkering with the shape game to game, throwing away a chance to earn money and a place at Wembley, signing a player and bringing him on in the 89th minute, a few shots on target in 6 games and not winning any of them will obviously cause a few doubts. Not facing up for the interview today, for whatever reason, only then adds fuel to the fire. I really hope he turns it around soon for all of our sakes. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jan 11, 2020 20:48:23 GMT
What's the betting if he'd won 2 or 3 of his first 6 games nobody would have mentioned his touchline behaviour. Unfortunately results have been bad so it gets highlighted when in reality it makes absolutely no difference at all It does make a difference. The same way as man management. Some players need a kick up the arse, some need an arm round the shoulder. You need to be able to adapt to certain situations, know when to be calm, and vise versa. From past experience, having somebody who is basically statuesque and shows no emotions for 90 mins doesn't do you any favours. I'm not going to disagree with most of that my point is that you can do all of those things without shouting & waving your arms around in the dugout. It's about getting your message across to the players & there's more than one way of doing that |
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