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Post by Marshy on Jan 5, 2020 18:24:30 GMT
Did they outplay us twice? Yes once at St Andrews and again today! So do Coventry spend their money more wisely on better footballers, or will they eventually do a Bolton/Bury when they finally lose their case v Coventry Council and run out of money? Just a pity JCH was as interested in the 2nd half when playing in front of his home fans as he was in front of his former club's in the first half. Somehow he's gone from unplayable to another Ryan Brunt since his last injury. JVS' performance must have been the best by a Rovers goalie this season, it was pretty much faultless from the first minute to the last. Em thanks for this very useful! I only put it because Oldgas posted the same thing twice, but hay ho. 😁 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2020 18:28:21 GMT
Its ok giving garner time to change the style but its criminal throw away 4th place in the league to do it. Disagree. We were (are) in no position to get promoted and stay there. Going up with a team that plays in the Coughlan style would surely see us come straight back down. Players at that level will suss out that style, as, I believe, they will in this level too. Look at Coventry today. They played some great stuff, passing out from the keeper. 20 years ago, you wouldn't see that in this league but now, that's the way forward. I'd much rather take the long term approach of having a team that is ready to go up in a couple of seasons time and be able to stay there. Whether Garner can provide that remains to be seen, of course, but IMO if he can, it's a style that is a lot more likely to be able to sustain the promotion we all desire than the one dimensional approach we had before. Not sure Shrewsbury played any better football when they came within one game of getting promoted? On a similar note I'm not sure Wycombe or Oxford are worrying about life in the Championship next season by the looks of things |
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Post by socrates on Jan 5, 2020 18:31:03 GMT
More than half of the sides in league 1 are better than us in my opinion if we get it down and try and pass through them. The only time we played the big direct Coughlan ball down the middle today we nearly scored , Johnson’s flick leahy I think hit the side netting. Garners got his work cut turning this side in to a good passing team. I’m prepared to give him time I hope the fans and board are as well as their money. Its ok giving garner time to change the style but its criminal throw away 4th place in the league to do it. I agree to an extent but once he was given the job you have to as a supporter get behind the new manager of your club and support . I’d have preferred we’d employed from within and kept doing what we were doing because top 6 was looking very likely and I’ve got a feeling we’ll be more like 12-14 th come May. This would be fine with me if we had a long term plan put forward by the board regarding how we are going to play , what kind of training facilities w’re Going to build what we’re aiming for etc but to me it looks like Garners been thrown in at the deep end with his own style of play in mind and it remains to be seen if the board will give him the funds and time needed to do what he wants. I quite like Garner from what I’ve seen from his interviews but to be honest I think he might have picked the wrong club as his starting point in management. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 18:44:00 GMT
Disagree. We were (are) in no position to get promoted and stay there. Going up with a team that plays in the Coughlan style would surely see us come straight back down. Players at that level will suss out that style, as, I believe, they will in this level too. Look at Coventry today. They played some great stuff, passing out from the keeper. 20 years ago, you wouldn't see that in this league but now, that's the way forward. I'd much rather take the long term approach of having a team that is ready to go up in a couple of seasons time and be able to stay there. Whether Garner can provide that remains to be seen, of course, but IMO if he can, it's a style that is a lot more likely to be able to sustain the promotion we all desire than the one dimensional approach we had before. Not sure Shrewsbury played any better football when they came within one game of getting promoted? On a similar note I'm not sure Wycombe or Oxford are worrying about life in the Championship next season by the looks of things But Shrewsbury didn't go up. I suspect Wycombe will fade and whilst Oxford look very good for promotion, they do play a bit of football and appear to have the backing to have a good go at staying there if they do. There's no point going up only to come straight back down. Let's say we'd kept GC and been promoted (highly unlikely IMO but let's go with it). The agricultural style of play would likely have been sussed out at that level. There's far more passing football played at all levels these days - there has to be a reason for that. Assuming we did then come down again, we would have been on a downward slide and calling for GC's head. Surely it's preferable to look at what style works in that league (and this, for that matter, as most promoted sides play good football) and build an identity and style of play that can be used in that league. This isn't just about the first team either. We should have the entire club looking to play in the Rovers way, so those players coming through are able to step into that team in time. It is ambitious, but we've decried the club for having no ambition before. Surely we should support an appointment that has clearly been made with the long term progression of the club in mind? |
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Post by socrates on Jan 5, 2020 18:56:31 GMT
Not sure Shrewsbury played any better football when they came within one game of getting promoted? On a similar note I'm not sure Wycombe or Oxford are worrying about life in the Championship next season by the looks of things But Shrewsbury didn't go up. I suspect Wycombe will fade and whilst Oxford look very good for promotion, they do play a bit of football and appear to have the backing to have a good go at staying there if they do. There's no point going up only to come straight back down. Let's say we'd kept GC and been promoted (highly unlikely IMO but let's go with it). The agricultural style of play would likely have been sussed out at that level. There's far more passing football played at all levels these days - there has to be a reason for that. Assuming we did then come down again, we would have been on a downward slide and calling for GC's head. Surely it's preferable to look at what style works in that league (and this, for that matter, as most promoted sides play good football) and build an identity and style of play that can be used in that league. This isn't just about the first team either. We should have the entire club looking to play in the Rovers way, so those players coming through are able to step into that team in time. It is ambitious, but we've decried the club for having no ambition before. Surely we should support an appointment that has clearly been made with the long term progression of the club in mind? If this club was to win promotion and stay there for more than one season with our current board, stadium and infrastructure then it will be by playing to our strengths, whatever those strengths may be. Coughlan I believe was nearly half way there. We’ll see how Garner and the board who’s job it is to support the manager develop this situation and take us forward. It’s a case of watch this space isn’t it but so far we’ve been outplayed in terms of football the way the game looks nice when it’s played by Fleetwood, MKdons , and Coventry for 90 minutes and by Wimbledon by 45 minutes in the four games. Lots of work to do and i really hope the board support this manager or what’s the point in appointing such a manager and what’s the point in him choosing us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 18:57:02 GMT
Its ok giving garner time to change the style but its criminal throw away 4th place in the league to do it. Disagree. We were (are) in no position to get promoted and stay there. Going up with a team that plays in the Coughlan style would surely see us come straight back down. Players at that level will suss out that style, as, I believe, they will in this level too. Look at Coventry today. They played some great stuff, passing out from the keeper. 20 years ago, you wouldn't see that in this league but now, that's the way forward. I'd much rather take the long term approach of having a team that is ready to go up in a couple of seasons time and be able to stay there. Whether Garner can provide that remains to be seen, of course, but IMO if he can, it's a style that is a lot more likely to be able to sustain the promotion we all desire than the one dimensional approach we had before. Total drivel. Cardiff got into the premier league playing similar football to the coughlan team only 2 seasons ago. Its wael and garners fantasy island football show to so say change a team built to play in the coughlan way with players signed specifically for that. We cannot sustain a promotion with any style because of finances but to throw a high position away is daft. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:10:28 GMT
Disagree. We were (are) in no position to get promoted and stay there. Going up with a team that plays in the Coughlan style would surely see us come straight back down. Players at that level will suss out that style, as, I believe, they will in this level too. Look at Coventry today. They played some great stuff, passing out from the keeper. 20 years ago, you wouldn't see that in this league but now, that's the way forward. I'd much rather take the long term approach of having a team that is ready to go up in a couple of seasons time and be able to stay there. Whether Garner can provide that remains to be seen, of course, but IMO if he can, it's a style that is a lot more likely to be able to sustain the promotion we all desire than the one dimensional approach we had before. Total drivel. Cardiff got into the premier league playing similar football to the coughlan team only 2 seasons ago. Its wael and garners fantasy island football show to so say change a team built to play in the coughlan way with players signed specifically for that. We cannot sustain a promotion with any style because of finances but to throw a high position away is daft. Fair enough. I'd argue that Cardiff weren't as hoofball as we were though. We played like Cambridge and Wimbledon of the 90s under Coughlan, but the game has moved on now. Guardiola's influence is already being seen throughout the lower leagues, with passing football the way the game is going. We need to bring some players in to achieve this, I agree, and finances could well be the issue here, but I know I want to be entertained when watching Rovers, and that wasn't happening very often under Coughlan. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 5, 2020 19:12:26 GMT
I’d never noticed the weeds growing on the roof of the West Stand before. We really are an embarrassment. Erm, aren't they treetops? I thought that as well. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 5, 2020 19:13:36 GMT
Yes once at St Andrews and again today! So do Coventry spend their money more wisely on better footballers, or will they eventually do a Bolton/Bury when they finally lose their case v Coventry Council and run out of money? Just a pity JCH was as interested in the 2nd half when playing in front of his home fans as he was in front of his former club's in the first half. Somehow he's gone from unplayable to another Ryan Brunt since his last injury. JVS' performance must have been the best by a Rovers goalie this season, it was pretty much faultless from the first minute to the last. Em thanks for this very useful! I only put it because Oldgas posted the same thing twice, but hay ho. 😁 I did, didn't I. I wonder how that happened? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:16:13 GMT
But Shrewsbury didn't go up. I suspect Wycombe will fade and whilst Oxford look very good for promotion, they do play a bit of football and appear to have the backing to have a good go at staying there if they do. There's no point going up only to come straight back down. Let's say we'd kept GC and been promoted (highly unlikely IMO but let's go with it). The agricultural style of play would likely have been sussed out at that level. There's far more passing football played at all levels these days - there has to be a reason for that. Assuming we did then come down again, we would have been on a downward slide and calling for GC's head. Surely it's preferable to look at what style works in that league (and this, for that matter, as most promoted sides play good football) and build an identity and style of play that can be used in that league. This isn't just about the first team either. We should have the entire club looking to play in the Rovers way, so those players coming through are able to step into that team in time. It is ambitious, but we've decried the club for having no ambition before. Surely we should support an appointment that has clearly been made with the long term progression of the club in mind? If this club was to win promotion and stay there for more than one season with our current board, stadium and infrastructure then it will be by playing to our strengths, whatever those strengths may be. Coughlan I believe was nearly half way there. We’ll see how Garner and the board who’s job it is to support the manager develop this situation and take us forward. It’s a case of watch this space isn’t it but so far we’ve been outplayed in terms of football the way the game looks nice when it’s played by Fleetwood, MKdons , and Coventry for 90 minutes and by Wimbledon by 45 minutes in the four games. Lots of work to do and i really hope the board support this manager or what’s the point in appointing such a manager and what’s the point in him choosing us. I'm not sure were outplayed today but I know I enjoyed the game more than I did the football we played under Coughlan. We'll never know, of course, but I just couldn't see that brand of football taking us up, or even being sustained into a serious play off challenge. That's not a criticism of Coughlan, who, despite the brand of football, I believe did a bloody good job here, but it's a realistic assessment IMO of how far the predominantly long ball game can take a team. I agree though, the board have to support Garner in this vision (within the realms of what is reasonable and viable for the club's finances) otherwise you're right, why appoint him? As you say, it's a watch this space situation. UTG |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:16:16 GMT
I’d never noticed the weeds growing on the roof of the West Stand before. We really are an embarrassment. Wooooohahahahaha! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:18:42 GMT
Disagree. We were (are) in no position to get promoted and stay there. Going up with a team that plays in the Coughlan style would surely see us come straight back down. Players at that level will suss out that style, as, I believe, they will in this level too. Look at Coventry today. They played some great stuff, passing out from the keeper. 20 years ago, you wouldn't see that in this league but now, that's the way forward. I'd much rather take the long term approach of having a team that is ready to go up in a couple of seasons time and be able to stay there. Whether Garner can provide that remains to be seen, of course, but IMO if he can, it's a style that is a lot more likely to be able to sustain the promotion we all desire than the one dimensional approach we had before. Total drivel. Cardiff got into the premier league playing similar football to the coughlan team only 2 seasons ago. Its wael and garners fantasy island football show to so say change a team built to play in the coughlan way with players signed specifically for that. We cannot sustain a promotion with any style because of finances but to throw a high position away is daft. Have we thrown away that high position? We're still level on points with the play offs don't forget. This is a tight league, where teams as low as 11th or 12th are still in the race. |
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 5, 2020 19:28:19 GMT
Woooooohooooooo in the bag
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2020 19:28:39 GMT
If this club was to win promotion and stay there for more than one season with our current board, stadium and infrastructure then it will be by playing to our strengths, whatever those strengths may be. Coughlan I believe was nearly half way there. We’ll see how Garner and the board who’s job it is to support the manager develop this situation and take us forward. It’s a case of watch this space isn’t it but so far we’ve been outplayed in terms of football the way the game looks nice when it’s played by Fleetwood, MKdons , and Coventry for 90 minutes and by Wimbledon by 45 minutes in the four games. Lots of work to do and i really hope the board support this manager or what’s the point in appointing such a manager and what’s the point in him choosing us. I'm not sure were outplayed today but I know I enjoyed the game more than I did the football we played under Coughlan. We'll never know, of course, but I just couldn't see that brand of football taking us up, or even being sustained into a serious play off challenge. That's not a criticism of Coughlan, who, despite the brand of football, I believe did a bloody good job here, but it's a realistic assessment IMO of how far the predominantly long ball game can take a team. I agree though, the board have to support Garner in this vision (within the realms of what is reasonable and viable for the club's finances) otherwise you're right, why appoint him? As you say, it's a watch this space situation. UTG How can you say we weren't outplayed today? JVS must have brought for 5 or 6 briliant saves but I can't recall Cov's goalie even catching a cross let along making a save, in fact the way he played he may as well have been an outfield player playing in goal. We got a fortunate pen and a goal from a dead ball, apart from Upson's shot we created virtually nothing all game. Garner's got a massive job on his hands making us into a footballing side, to do it he will need a decent playing budget in order to bring in quailty L1 players but if GC had already topped out on his playing budget then I'm not sure how he's going to do it, although fair play to him taking on the task. |
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Post by keygas on Jan 5, 2020 19:31:12 GMT
Thoroughly enjoyed the game today one good footballing side against one hard working side (us), worried about our keeper before the game but gladly less worried now.
Hopefully if Garner can bring in a couple of quality signings, coupled with players returning from injury we could still have a decent 2nd half of the season & were still in the draw for the 4th round of the fa cup, when was last time that happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:35:42 GMT
I'm not sure were outplayed today but I know I enjoyed the game more than I did the football we played under Coughlan. We'll never know, of course, but I just couldn't see that brand of football taking us up, or even being sustained into a serious play off challenge. That's not a criticism of Coughlan, who, despite the brand of football, I believe did a bloody good job here, but it's a realistic assessment IMO of how far the predominantly long ball game can take a team. I agree though, the board have to support Garner in this vision (within the realms of what is reasonable and viable for the club's finances) otherwise you're right, why appoint him? As you say, it's a watch this space situation. UTG How can you say we weren't outplayed today? JVS must have brought for 5 or 6 briliant saves but I can't recall Cov's goalie even catching a cross let along making a save, in fact the way he played he may as well have been an outfield player playing in goal. We got a fortunate pen and a goal from a dead ball, apart from Upson's shot we created virtually nothing all game. Garner's got a massive job on his hands making us into a footballing side, to do it he will need a decent playing budget in order to bring in quailty L1 players but if GC had already topped out on his playing budget then I'm not sure how he's going to do it, although fair play to him taking on the task. How was the penalty fortunate? Don't dead ball goals count? I agree they created the better and more frequent chances, but we were always in that game and it could easily have gone either way. Yes, we need more quality but that will take time and a few windows. The time to judge Garner will be the end of next season. I just hope that as a fanbase, we are patient enough to do that. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 5, 2020 19:37:48 GMT
Total drivel. Cardiff got into the premier league playing similar football to the coughlan team only 2 seasons ago. Its wael and garners fantasy island football show to so say change a team built to play in the coughlan way with players signed specifically for that. We cannot sustain a promotion with any style because of finances but to throw a high position away is daft. Have we thrown away that high position? We're still level on points with the play offs don't forget. This is a tight league, where teams as low as 11th or 12th are still in the race. Definitely still in it and with playing at least 2 games a week since he arrived it’s obviously been difficult for Garner to implement himself and his style. I don’t think we’ll Really know how it’s going to go with Garner until around this time next season , once we’ve had two transfer windows and we’ve played half a season and after a full pre season. For this season now I’d be happy with a top half finish , gutting I know considering where we were under Coughlan but that’s football. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:39:42 GMT
Total drivel. Cardiff got into the premier league playing similar football to the coughlan team only 2 seasons ago. Its wael and garners fantasy island football show to so say change a team built to play in the coughlan way with players signed specifically for that. We cannot sustain a promotion with any style because of finances but to throw a high position away is daft. Have we thrown away that high position? We're still level on points with the play offs don't forget. This is a tight league, where teams as low as 11th or 12th are still in the race. No,not yet. But unless something is broken maybe don't take it apart and repair it. Too late now anyway in his pre match interview he told us all he is going to change the whole club even if it mean 2 steps back and one forward. Plus he had a long conversation with wael all about it so what could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:39:57 GMT
Or he likes to put him in the shop window. Or he just didn't have any other options. Not exactly spoilt for choice if he wants to change things up with all the injuries we've got atm. I'd like to think he will have a clean slate with Garner. There's a good player there, but we've not seen it due to him being played by DC with a stay at home full back after Brown left and as a central player by GC. Play him wide in a 4-4-2, with an overlapping full back, and he is a good player. He has undoubtedly lost his way though. For me, his future here depends upon whether that style is what BG has in mind (and how much he is paid). |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2020 19:40:25 GMT
Total drivel. Cardiff got into the premier league playing similar football to the coughlan team only 2 seasons ago. Its wael and garners fantasy island football show to so say change a team built to play in the coughlan way with players signed specifically for that. We cannot sustain a promotion with any style because of finances but to throw a high position away is daft. Have we thrown away that high position? We're still level on points with the play offs don't forget. This is a tight league, where teams as low as 11th or 12th are still in the race. Just look at our recent results under BG L-D-L-D, that's hardly play off form, 4 games ago we had the best current form in L1 and actually matched Posh footballing wise. |
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